- Pronouns
- He
It's a conspiracy, Lord has a second secret account that he uses to guid the form into talking about the perks going to be picked before hand.
On a serious note really love tybalt demigod origin story.
Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)
- Thread starter LordRoustabout
- Start date
On a serious note really love tybalt demigod origin story.
MagicalAmbitions
the rose in your vase
- Pronouns
- She/Her
this is just another variation on my "fortune-associated deity participates regularly in the BCF thread" theory, as far as I'm concerned. With the added caveat that LR is said deity.
The Shallow
Shallow, Yet Deep
- Location
- Your Universe
- Pronouns
- She/They
Ok since we're coming up with Greek-themed names for all the people who'll be going, Matrix is gonna need one too. So far we have come up with:
Aisha is already Lethe
Tybalt : Acheron
Tetra : Phlegethon
Fleet : Kybernetes
Survey : Panoptes
Matrix : ????????
Aisha is already Lethe
Tybalt : Acheron
Tetra : Phlegethon
Fleet : Kybernetes
Survey : Panoptes
Matrix : ????????
- Location
- Philippines
Oh, certainly. But not to the degree of Master accusations being thrown around despite, ironically enough, his power essentially Mastering people to not focus on the parts where he could Master people.
- Location
- Up on a Hill
I don't really think so. Joe has never been under any illusion that the master accusations were true and his reaction to them has ultimately become:
"ugh, this bullshit again. Annoying."
If, while still in his exceedingly emotionally vulnerable/isolated initial state of mind, Joe was given a sincere measure of every flaw in his actions as delivered by online strangers mastered to be objective in their judgements, then I think he'd react like this:
*Joe remembers every shitty thing his family has said about him*
*Joe lays sadly under bed covers not eating all day*
It was from 38 Build Up.
Right now, Joe is under the impression that Dragon is a living human who has been mastered and might be using an AI for her interface.
Also, in WoG, LordR mentioned that Joe does not know that Dragon is an AI. He used the Laboratorium systems against her, but restricted them from going after certain systems and backups because he didn't want to cripple Dragon's ability to perform essential functions. The Laboratorium countermeasures are meant to take down AIs fast and hard. They don't do any analysis or report what happened. He doesn't know how close he came to permanently killing her.
I think LordR said somewhere that the reason Joe doesn't believe Dragon is an AI is because he worked with her and knows that a parahuman power is present there. Joe doesn't know that AI can trigger, Dragon being the first.
How much did his Suffering Counter (the Rune knowledge from the Well of Urd) rise from the memories of being a robot unicorn running for his life for weeks? Does it count? reduced conversion efficiency?
That's actually a really interesting question, and could potentially confirm Joe's theory about the forge drawing from the multiverse if the Well of Urd makes a distinction between suffering that happened, or was just remembered to have happened.
It would also establish the jumps as having already happened, possibly retroactively???
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TheOmnimercurial
Dragon Bard
- Location
- UK
With Devil May Cry being on the Celestial Forge.... I wonder if other Games like it are too?
Onimusha
Rygar
Chaos Legion
Prince of Persia
Bayonetta
Etc
Onimusha
Rygar
Chaos Legion
Prince of Persia
Bayonetta
Etc
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I've ever encountered?
Even still makes sense here, although it would sound better with the order of I've and even swapped.
Wait the order does actually matter here.
- Location
- Philippines
I was referring to how his relationship with the PRT soured in the first place. Remember, his gift to Panacea had been misconstrued as something that mastered Amy - which then kicked off the whole mess of how PRT response fell apart surrounding him as everyone's dirty laundry suddenly became very public laundry as a direct result of the Master accusations.
Something as simple as the gift being seen as what it was - just a very pretty pin - would've had led to a very different situation than what Joe has to face today.
Garreon
Paldean Top Champion
- Location
- Mesagoza, Paldea
Since Apeiron is a Greek name and means Unlimited or Primal Principle of All Matter, I think that the closest 5 sidekicks Apeiron has could be named after the 5 Rivers of the Underworld....heck you know how badass sidekicks or teammatea are, when they have their own team. Just think about it
Random Villain Cape 1: "Oh shit, that is one of the Five Rivers!"
RVC 2: "The what?"
1: "One of Apeiron's Five Rivers of the Underworld, we have to get the hell out of here!"
So far we have:
Lethe: The River of Forgetfulness and personification of Oblivion, daughter of Eris. Those that drank from her waters would lose all memories from their previous existence, one step needed for reincarnation. Holder: Aisha Laborn.
Acheron: Also known as The River of Woe, the roman poet Virgil called it the principal river of Tartarus, from which the Styx and Cocytus both sprang. The newly dead would be ferried across the Acheron by Charon in order to enter the Underworld.
Styx: Also known as The River of Hatred, although Styx, the word, literally means "shuddering" and expresses loathing of death. In Homer's Iliad and Odyssey, the gods swear by the water of the Styx as their most binding oath.
Plegethon: The River of Fire, in the Percy Jackson books its waters keep the wicked alive, so they can continue suffering in the Fields of Punishment. It's name means flame, or Fire-flaming if you use Pyriphlegethon, the second name.
It is said the waters of the river can burn away the sins of a mortal sent to the Fields of Punishment, but only if they are truly remorseful of their past actions.
Cocytus or Kokytos: which literally means "Lamentation". The River of Ice, in Dante's Inferno, the river in which those accused of Betrayal or any form of Fraud, get punished by being buried in the ice by various degrees.
I mean, the connotations of anyone naming themselves after one of these Rivers are strong
The Shallow
Shallow, Yet Deep
- Location
- Your Universe
- Pronouns
- She/They
Problem is that Styx and Kokytos do not fit Fleet or Survey, not to mention that Matrix shouldn't be left out. I like the idea of the organics going with River Names, while the synthetics go with more unique names relating to their function. Kybernetes, Panoptes, etc.
- Location
- Bulgaria
To be honest, I've always found the rapid disintegration of the panic caused by Apeiron's worldwide master effect to be very SOB stretching. Like in the span of one day, everyone who was aware of Apeiron immediately becomes aware of a new title they know is associated with him, it hits worldwide news and all he has to do to calm them down is say "Yo, guys it's nothing to worry about. It's not harmful. Don't worry."
Really?
That's all it took to rip the momentum out of international outcry?
Brockton bay citizens forgiving and forgetting I would understand, since Apeiron had saved the city several times over by that point but every other government/Parahuman organization just rolling it with? And the civilian population not bursting out in masa hysteria over a parahuman that just displayed the ability to produce memetic Master effects?
It felt like Lord didn't want to deal with the number of chapters it would take to resolve that mess so he hurried through.
Really?
That's all it took to rip the momentum out of international outcry?
Brockton bay citizens forgiving and forgetting I would understand, since Apeiron had saved the city several times over by that point but every other government/Parahuman organization just rolling it with? And the civilian population not bursting out in masa hysteria over a parahuman that just displayed the ability to produce memetic Master effects?
It felt like Lord didn't want to deal with the number of chapters it would take to resolve that mess so he hurried through.
The Shallow
Shallow, Yet Deep
- Location
- Your Universe
- Pronouns
- She/They
Apeiron's actions have been seen worldwide, and the PRT quickly put together a statement saying "Apeiron is communicating with us about this effect, and we are continuing investigations, but it seems to be perfectly harmless."
Nobody could really do much about it after that, and with all the memes about Apeiron being a tech-god around, the internet quickly just agreed "Terrifying thing #43 from Apeiron, let's move on."
People are absolutely still concerned, and it will 100% come up during Somers Rock, I imagine, but there isn't much recourse to the average individual. PRT is trying to figure out countermeasures to Apeiron, but yeah. Joe hasn't been outside since the effect, outside of therapy, iirc so that's also probably screwing with the perspective.
just saying, pretty sure the E0 lights left during the lung fight is still visible, even halfway around the world. When it comes to that sort of planetcracking power, you underestimate people's adaptability. Also, pretty sure no one wants to wait for a month for Lord to painstakingly document everyone's OMG!!1!! SASUGA APE-SAMA and/or their pants-shitting terror.
- Location
- Deep inside the sand
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Oh we do want plenty of reaction chapters but not to the cost of everything this fic stands for. BUT! Any omakes are welcomed.
Garreon
Paldean Top Champion
- Location
- Mesagoza, Paldea
No one says there cannot be multiple teams working under Apeiron.
The Rivers would be one, the synthetics (or spiritual?could Garment be considered a Spirit?) could go with other names and Team name
- Location
- Bulgaria
Eh I dunno. That justification doesn't completely work for me. Apeiron should have heard about more visceral effects than just a generic description of the population experiencing fear before calming down. Though I'm fine with the plot thread being suspended with the PRT's statement until Apeiron has enough time to reconnect with the events after the Ungodly Hour (Though presumably that wouldn't have helped alleviate fears over his power)
Also, even in modern-times general Internet consensus is not to be confused with the consensus of people outside the Internet. There are loads of people who either cannot or don't bother interact with the internet enough to be influenced by "Internet consensus". And Earth-Bet's internet network is less developed than ours too.
I don't want Lord to describe everyone's "OMG!!1!! SASUGA APE-SAMA" or their "pants-shitting terror". I just think the intial reaction was unrealistically subdued from a mere governmental statement, and let me tell you, when the average person doesn't have any way of affecting a massive event that affected them, their friends, their family and their entire country, that doesn't tend to make them "subdued"
- Location
- Somewhere on Earth
…didn't he do the Lung fight from several independent perspectives of basically that?
Usually I'd be right on board with you here. It's been about… two-three days, since that event? And Joe was out of commission for several hours immediately following the reveal. That said… okay yeah I think it's a bit weird, but it's also mentioned that the effect only worked if you knew who Apeiron was. People who just saw the video without context didn't get anything, though if they were told who he was it'd start working. So, at the very least, it wouldn't have actually hit everybody who saw it, just people who knew the guy. It has been two and a half days though and was resolved mindbogglingly fast, but it's best not to consider the timeline.
Gregory Crey
Magic is of wonder and terror. Life is so magical.
- Location
- United States
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
I mean, sure, but consider this: these are citizens of Earth Bet, they have tons of stuff that affect them, their family, and their entire country and there is nothing they can do about them. They have been conditioned for 2 or 3 decades to hear platitudes about such matters, and try not to think about it too much. Cities get destroyed, walled off, an entire nation gone, ways of life changed irrevocably, these all happen fairly regularly and they aren't all Endbringers.
Frankly, being told by a "trusted" (good PR) organization like the PRT that it is harmless may have done far more on that world than it would on ours due to how desperate people can be there. Not saying it was 100% effective, just that it likely calmed a lot of people more than you would think just so they don't have to entertain the idea of yet another S class threat.
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I mean, even Dragon doesn't know that AI can trigger; she only finds out that she did much later in Canon, when Defiant is poking around her code.
And to all the "OMG/FELYNE/CONSPIRACY" posters: remember, there has been extensive discussion of "wanted" traits like Infusionist and Miniaturisation/Efficiency after every-other chapter, so there have been about 20 "misfires" on that matter. It had pretty much a 50/50 chance to appear after such a discussion — as does M/E.
Foxy Boxes
[Verified Box]
- Location
- England
Next chapter a capstone is rolled, calling it now.
- Location
- Deep inside the sand
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
There's also a smidget that if PRT and other sources says something is true even if isn't people will still believe it will still impact their belief. Gaslighting in fine form. I.e. if people have been said that this is true, this is dangerous, this is false said people will eventually buy into it even if conflicting information arrive. They'll default to dismiss any conflicting information and just buy into what has been said to them.
I almost think people are conditioned to not think that humanity might be destroyed in 30 years based on the Endbringers and other S-class threats.