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I could see this being a body he makes for the servo skulls to give them humanoid forms.Hi Guys, i just have to do it, it just keeps on bugging me.
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Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)
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AntaeusTheGiant
Child of Gaea
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Looks like we're back.
I fear I am unfamiliar with the Gurren Lagenn series. People have been discussing how awesome Spiral Energy is, and how Jozef will only be able to awaken it in one other person. Is this a limitation of Spiral Energy itself, or of the jumpdoc the perks come from? And if Jozef can only awaken one other, can that person also awaken one other? If so, isn't it effectively limitless as long as the chain keeps going?
I fear I am unfamiliar with the Gurren Lagenn series. People have been discussing how awesome Spiral Energy is, and how Jozef will only be able to awaken it in one other person. Is this a limitation of Spiral Energy itself, or of the jumpdoc the perks come from? And if Jozef can only awaken one other, can that person also awaken one other? If so, isn't it effectively limitless as long as the chain keeps going?
Broovian
The Patriarch of Oblivion and all it contains.
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Authorial Limit and I think I'll let someone else explain Spiral Power, I only know it from one fanfic. Just know that if he gets it, he's gonna have deal with his issues even more if he wants to make good use of it.
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Carrnage
Human
- Location
- New Zealand
Spiral energy is essentially a constantly growing source of renewable energy, every lifeform capable of reproduction generates it, and it grows more powerful over generations, it can be harnessed through willpower and it's demonstrated feats include interdimensional portals and galactic scale reality breaking mecha(the mecha aren't just powered using spiral energy they they are built using it and can self repair and modify using it).
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It also comes with some pretty cool drills, which is totally the best part of it!
This is a pretty good sciency way of explaining. A simple laymans answer is, Alter reality via willpower. I mean..>.> Lord Genome rebuilt his entire body with the power. As for its limits, its limited by ones state of mind. In that, you are your own limit. And if in your head you have no limits? Weeeeellllll that is why it is such an awesomely OP power.
EDIT: I just realized what a terrifyingly abominal combination Spiral Power makes with Strong Spark. The Eldritch Horror.
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Broovian
The Patriarch of Oblivion and all it contains.
- Location
- The cesspool of New York and Loving it!
I'm not sure what the may day reaction is supposed to mean but Mayday sounds appropriate to meeting a Heterodyne wielding Spiral Power.
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- Him/Dude/That/Guy
The Free, Back of the Envelope Perk Count. All numbers are guaranteed, if incorrect you get your money back.
As Of Now, One Time Perks Left
100 points - 12 (9 are Star Trek)
200 points - 8
300 points - 9
400 points - 20
500 points - 3
600 points - 40
700 points - nada
800 points - 4
Recurring Perks:
100 points - 2
All specific perk details, odds, calculations, links to original jumpchain documents are available in the Brockton's Celestial Forge Reference Google Sheets at Brockton's Celestial Forge Reference
As Of Now, One Time Perks Left
100 points - 12 (9 are Star Trek)
200 points - 8
300 points - 9
400 points - 20
500 points - 3
600 points - 40
700 points - nada
800 points - 4
Recurring Perks:
100 points - 2
All specific perk details, odds, calculations, links to original jumpchain documents are available in the Brockton's Celestial Forge Reference Google Sheets at Brockton's Celestial Forge Reference
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There's a few more things - offhand there's a human-practical romulan system shown in this episode of TNG, but is romulan tech (plus a temporal tech based phasing torpedo seen in The year of Hell of VOY from a somewhat tech equivalent-ish race), a few books things that probably shouldn't count, recreating Ghost's empowerment using MCU tech, the biotic phasing power related to 'charge', and handful of powers that can be in principle be replicated with teen titans tech...
But I think the result of "At best, phasing tech is kind of impractical for him right now" is still accurate.
I did not realize how few low-level perks there were, or how many high-level ones there were either. Forty 600cp perks, that's equal to all the 500, 400, 300, and 200 cp perks combined!
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- He
Spiral is basically the power and will of evolution in all living beings in gurren laggan. It is somewhat vaguely said that in living beings dna is connected with the universe itself which is why it has such absurd feats through "universal evolution" since in gurren laggans concept of evolution is implied to be limitless in its potential (which is the whole plot of gurren laggan that the anti spirals the big bad wanted to either kill or contain all spiral beings in the fear that spiral beings would evolve and become so powerful that they would destroy the whole universe).
Since spiral is tied to the concept of evolution people who just try to survive have a little but those who try to strive in achieving what they considered impossible or unachievable are able to harness and gain a lot of spiral energy, which is why there is a lot of things about drills since its a symbolism of "drilling" away and overcoming any impossible obstacles
In layman terms spiral is essentially someone's "fighting spirit" which allows them to create drills and "Kick logic to the curb and do the impossible."
The list of feats in spiral are:
-Creating machines that are able to merge with any technology and make it into a giant humanoid robot (And when I mean giant I mean in the final episode the giant robots are bigger than the universes itself)
-Creates huge amount of energy (One episode has a the protagonist robot punch another one so hard that it shattered the fabric of space and time, sending it flying to the universe)
-Regenerate any damage of a machine temporarily
-Create tunnels through spacetime to teleport
-Altering Probabilities (Do the impossible see a theme here?)
-Drills lots of drills
- People with a huge amount of spiral have the ability to be potentially ageless or live a long time (A character Lord genome was estimated to be over 1,000 years and with no sign of stopping)
- Its even a hypothesis by one of the character that with huge amount of spirals they could even revive people (Again this is just a hypothesis by one of the characters and we never see it so take this one with a grain of salt)
To also give an idea of how crazy the powers in the show gets its a running joke that the series is famously known as "From fighting fairly small robots to throwing galaxies the show"
Sorry if this post is quite long is just that I'm a huge fan of the series and I'm one of the people who want Joe to get the perk so badly and not just for the crazy feats (although thats a huge plus) but I think like Aura is could help joe develop his personality to become more confident and develop a good mentality just like the MC in gurren laggan.
Since spiral is tied to the concept of evolution people who just try to survive have a little but those who try to strive in achieving what they considered impossible or unachievable are able to harness and gain a lot of spiral energy, which is why there is a lot of things about drills since its a symbolism of "drilling" away and overcoming any impossible obstacles
In layman terms spiral is essentially someone's "fighting spirit" which allows them to create drills and "Kick logic to the curb and do the impossible."
The list of feats in spiral are:
-Creating machines that are able to merge with any technology and make it into a giant humanoid robot (And when I mean giant I mean in the final episode the giant robots are bigger than the universes itself)
-Creates huge amount of energy (One episode has a the protagonist robot punch another one so hard that it shattered the fabric of space and time, sending it flying to the universe)
-Regenerate any damage of a machine temporarily
-Create tunnels through spacetime to teleport
-Altering Probabilities (Do the impossible see a theme here?)
-Drills lots of drills
- People with a huge amount of spiral have the ability to be potentially ageless or live a long time (A character Lord genome was estimated to be over 1,000 years and with no sign of stopping)
- Its even a hypothesis by one of the character that with huge amount of spirals they could even revive people (Again this is just a hypothesis by one of the characters and we never see it so take this one with a grain of salt)
To also give an idea of how crazy the powers in the show gets its a running joke that the series is famously known as "From fighting fairly small robots to throwing galaxies the show"
Sorry if this post is quite long is just that I'm a huge fan of the series and I'm one of the people who want Joe to get the perk so badly and not just for the crazy feats (although thats a huge plus) but I think like Aura is could help joe develop his personality to become more confident and develop a good mentality just like the MC in gurren laggan.
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Well, we actually do see this. Lord Genome was brought back from the dead as a the core of a super spiral computer, and in the battle with the Anti-Spiral he regained his body and his humanity. So ressurection by spiral is definately possible, of course Genome was probably easier to ressurect because he had so much spiral energy and lived such a long time in the first place. Then there is the Beastmen. I forget his name, but the Arch Rival of Gurren was made immortal by Lord Genome, so Immortality is also possible via Spiral. Not sure if that immortality would work against spiral powers though, since spiral powers made him immortal in the first place.
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- Baguio City, Philippines
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- He/Him
Love your art, it reminded me of moon Knight for some reason maybe it's just the white cloak and mental issues that keep reminding me of himHi Guys, i just have to do it, it just keeps on bugging me.
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- He/Him
Not sure if anyone really answered your question here despite lots of good Gurren Lagann discussions.
The ability to awaken someone else's spiral energy isn't really a 'thing' in GL. Spiral energy is a kind of universal force that humans can access due to our spiral-shaped DNA. Lots of characters throughout the series kind of awaken themselves to making the impossible possible and we as viewers are able to infer that this is happening because they are getting more in-tune with spiral energy, but no one like, puts a hand on someone's shoulder and releases their inner potential. The entire concept is jumpdoc fiat.
How the author will choose to explain this is entirely up to Lord, since it essentially means there is a universal force that likes spirals and loves people with genetic spirals, but ONLY the one Joe picks.
Edit Aside: It just occurred to me that it would be very funny if Joe gave spiral energy to Garment, who presumably doesn't even have DNA.
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- Dhaka, Bangladesh
When did Joe get spiral energy?
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- He/Him
He hasn't yet, but a number of people ITT are tracking the statistical chances on each remaining perk with bated breath and I think it's one of the more likely pulls at this point. (Not too sure myself, didn't want the spoilers even if they're up to random chance.)
Carrnage
Human
- Location
- New Zealand
Problem is tetra isn't stopping growing, and she's using more and more blood the more she grows, until they figure out how to either seperate her or properly hybridise her so she produces blood as well and doesnt grow out of control she'll be constantly edging closer to actually killing him.
AntaeusTheGiant
Child of Gaea
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- Lawrence, KS
It just occurred to me that a long term Tetra infesting Jozef would be rather similar to the situation Marvel's Cable is in. As a member of the Gray family and therefore an heir to the awesome powers of the Phoenix force, he should be a premier telekinetic/psychic. Instead, all of those portions of his powers are constantly combating the techno-organic virus that has infected him since he was a child, and that continuous combat is all that is keeping him alive.
theflyingbiscuit
"Titanic neechan"
Could I get this oldish omake threadmarked @LordRoustabout?
Part of it would be base number disparity, but also because to get to the higher numbers you have to dodge successful rolls for longer.
To get a 100 you just have to roll for it. You have to miss quite a few to get to 600.
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I think the problem is not just blood but life fibers in all major organs including Joe's brain. Maybe they could put Joe in stasis but they need him conscious to make clones?
True, but Tetra absorbing blood is making the problem grow progressively worse.
That's the rub. Makes me think that this is something panacea could solve in her sleep. Too bad she's inconveniently unavailable. Or maybe since it's a life fiber could Parian be the solution? If so, what a delicious dilemma for Joe to face his past.
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- United States of America
If it was something Parian could do, then I'm pretty sure that Garment could manage it. I suppose there might be something to the weirdness of her expanded power from Ward (as far as I know it's something to the tune of could always do, but didn't), but I don't think she'd really be able to separate Joe and Tetra. Or rather that if she could be used to do so then Garment under the direction of the duplicates could manage. We know that Garment has up till now been able to over power Tetra whenever it came to moving her away from direct contact with Joe, but at this point it might be a case of fearing causing too much extra damage or Tetra just being too damn strong thanks to all the divine blood she's been drinking.