You realize he did more or less the same here right? The only reason he wasn't considered the father of electricity until recently is because Edison was a cut-throat thief of the technology of others, a master at politics and marketing and running a different and ultimately unworkable opinion of how the developing electrical grid should be made.
Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)
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I was thinking of the difference between HS Edison and HS Tesla and the massive divide of fame between the two but yeah, you're right
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Tesla pulled a Prometheus? What a mad lad!
Anyhow, really hyped for the new chapter especially since we'll likely get more on the aftermath and possibly the Wards and Vicky encountering the duplicate who went to retrieve the motoroid.
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I'm not familiar with aPGtE, Dresden Files, or Fire Emblem
For Big Hero 6, Joe would probably take a liking to the crew and probably help them out once in a while as Joe would be uplifting humanity slowly be surely.
As for Cyberpunk 2077. I predict Joe for the most part will be disgusted by how corporations have taken over and the cutthroat lifestyle of the world. To be honest, if Joe really wanted to, he could take over the world without even trying. Whether through physical force, or do simply out-doing everyone at their own game, Joe wouldn't really run into any problems. Also it'd be funny if Joe revealed that he barely has any cybernetics while absolutely dumpstering someone like Adam Smasher.
If you are talking about what class he would be, it would be Jumper class.
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The Anomalous class. Possibly a hero of another world or many worlds. There is no common denominator to this class. It is the most unpredictable of the classes. They gain no base stats above the E Rank base level. They gain a discount on one stat of their choice. They gain a discount on one Skill of their choice. Jumper also can pick Personalised Class Name for free.]
So he can name the class what he wants (which lord would do not Joe), but it would not be the same as the other classes.
[You get one C rank Skill free and receive an E rank for free in any Class Skill you have according to your bought Class, what each Class has as Class Skills is indicated below and in the prior Class section. Further ranks in Class Skills are discounted, including Pluses and EX ranks, excluding the undiscounted surcharge for additional EX ranks beyond your first. Reducing your ranks in a Class Skill only gives you back discounted SP.]
So Joe would get 1 E-rank class skill for free (any class), 1 C-rank skill for free, 1 C-rank Noble Phantasm and maybe another class skill (Item Construction), but Lord might count Item Construction as the free class skill.
The Noble Phantasm Has to be something related to the servants legend, and in Joe's case it would probably be related to creation, healing, beauty or contracts.
If he gains a Noble Phantasm related to contracts it would be interesting. Since Coil technically has a contract with Joe for 2k a month retainer for the undersiders (even if it's just 1 month it's not over yet). So him constantly violating the contract (even in simulation) would likely trigger a response from the Noble Phantasam. Which is likely to be harsh, maybe even give all info about how he broke the contract and a curse.
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I disagree, Joe have a contract with the Undersiders. That's what he signed for, and that's what he is publically known for (so that's what would enter his legend).
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They actually said their boss was paying him. But even then at the very least he would know how coil gets info from her. Also his contract is with coil through the undersiders. Coil foot the bill for the tinker tech he built them for the back robbery. Also this is from the story chapter 6:
["Not exactly. You agree to this you get two grand a month, no questions asked. That's the same all of us get."
They were salaried? How the hell did that work? "Get from who?"
"It's what the boss pays us to stay active. Take the deal and you get cut in with no obligation for the jobs."
When Brian said 'the boss' alarm bells started ringing from my passenger. Whoever it was they were working for it was bad news.]
I just want to throw this out there, and I know the MC isn't supposed to take the ideal set of actions at every moment, but I just had to say this.
Joe could have built a single device that's within his abilities and would have won him the whole ABB war without any personal risk.
He should have built an upsized version of his wrist device that prints 100 drones at a time, and then just sat back and fired his gun that shoots drones out of the doorway to his workshop.
Yeah, it wouldn't have solved the Lung problem, but sufficient numbers of disposable drones solves the Oni Lee, March, and Bakuda problems purely through attrition. The ABB simply can't cope with someone who can outnumber them sufficiently to oppose all actions at all points simultaneously. Joe has been the single most powerful actor on whatever stage he chooses to act on for a while now. He doesn't need better and better suits or personal upgrades. He needs numbers.
Being able to throw thousands and thousands of drones into the air over and over again would be exactly what he needs.
Joe could have built a single device that's within his abilities and would have won him the whole ABB war without any personal risk.
He should have built an upsized version of his wrist device that prints 100 drones at a time, and then just sat back and fired his gun that shoots drones out of the doorway to his workshop.
Yeah, it wouldn't have solved the Lung problem, but sufficient numbers of disposable drones solves the Oni Lee, March, and Bakuda problems purely through attrition. The ABB simply can't cope with someone who can outnumber them sufficiently to oppose all actions at all points simultaneously. Joe has been the single most powerful actor on whatever stage he chooses to act on for a while now. He doesn't need better and better suits or personal upgrades. He needs numbers.
Being able to throw thousands and thousands of drones into the air over and over again would be exactly what he needs.
That would probaly make him an s-class(not that he would care) many people would become afraid of him, and it might make them do something stupid
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Another world that would be fun would be Nier: Automata
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Two words. Machine Army.
Without the clout he would have now, that is one way to bullrush him to getting the S-class treatment.
He just kicked someone who wrestles endbringers into the SUN. S class is inevitable.
I'm unclear on the limitations of his AIs, but as they are, can they even steer such a large amount of drones properly through a combat situation? I don't think manufacturing them is a bottleneck for Apeiron, the greater issue is whether the team can use thousands of drones.
That's actually not that much of a problem. His AI's lack of ability has more to do with keeping them under the thinker radar to avoid a S-class kill order on him for making AI's then his lack of ability to make AI's. Again as stated before, he doesnt make a drone army for the sole purpose of avoiding a Kill Order being branded on him. You can be a S-Class without a kill order, which is what he will become like the rest of the Triumvirate, but a Machine Army of any kind or AIs would net instant kill order
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Right now, the PRT does not want Joe to be declared S-Class. While it may change the situation in regards to the resources thrown at dealing with him, it also changes the situation of Brockton Bay not being on fire.
At the moment, Joe is going after super-terrorists already. He isn't killing civilians. He seems to identify as a mercenary rather than a villain, and it is blindingly obvious that he seems to have some semblance of a moral code, which is above the local situation of "super nazis" and "murderous dragon/bomb tinker".
While it's not ideal, letting Apeiron continue to operate under any justification not to escalate things (at least until they get the "silver bullet" combination and authorization to capture him) is what Piggot is going with.
If he makes a drone army though, her hands are tied.
If it's an issue of reputation, maybe he could make one-off drones, pretending that it's a limitation of mass-production?
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Not possible due to the perk. In theory he should even be limited to a single drone, he can only produce more thanks to workalcoolic and his clones (each clone have his own limit - and before you ask, no, he can't produce more than 2 clones).
@LordRoustabout i was rereading some things and in the Ethan interlude Amy says "He was a villain, wasn't he?", but in her first interlude she though [It was a brutally clinical diagnosis of her family dynamic. The idea that her villain father loved her more than anyone in her family.] so it's unclear if she knew her father was a villain from the start, or she originally just suspect it due to her mom's behaviour. Idk if she knew or not in canon.
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It's clear she doesn't know for sure who it is, that's why she asks Mike. So no one told her before. But why would she suspect her dad is a villain before?
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It's clear she doesn't know for sure who it is, that's why she asks Mike. So no one told her before. But why would she suspect her dad is a villain before?
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Actually, there's a specific combination that allows him to produce more duplicates per potion... though I fail to recall if he actually has the necessary perks for it yet.
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Looks like the update would be tomorrow, then. Hype train continues!
Man, I want to write/read an omake where Vicky would sit on a building overlooking the rest of the city. Apeiron would show up next to her and will be surprised that GG isn't trying to fight him. Then GG would like to apologize and talk about how the world of heroes and villains aren't really that black and white as she thought. Apeiron says something, then suddenly get a perk where nearby people making impassioned speeches would get a power up. Vicky would do one, and suddenly get a power up. Apeiron gives her an offer to join his team.
Unbeknownst to them, a guy has been filming them and their chat. PHO interlude shenanigans occur.
Man, I want to write/read an omake where Vicky would sit on a building overlooking the rest of the city. Apeiron would show up next to her and will be surprised that GG isn't trying to fight him. Then GG would like to apologize and talk about how the world of heroes and villains aren't really that black and white as she thought. Apeiron says something, then suddenly get a perk where nearby people making impassioned speeches would get a power up. Vicky would do one, and suddenly get a power up. Apeiron gives her an offer to join his team.
Unbeknownst to them, a guy has been filming them and their chat. PHO interlude shenanigans occur.
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So all the talk of forging people into super humans I just have this image of a more deranged Apeiron popping out of portals to drag in random people going "come here son I'm turning you into a hero" fwoosh "oh god it burns" clang "ouch" clank "ouch" CLANG "OUCH" hiss sizzle then pop out comes a person coated in quenching oil looking like they came from a ancient heroic mythical story.
Just read the 40k chapter and I'm honestly starting to get more and more fed up with this story. It's well written (aside from absolute abysmal pacing), but literally everything being developed is feeling more and more pointless. I'm getting the distinct impression that Roustabout firmly believes in that "If you give Frodo a lightsaber then give Sauron the Death Star" and it's really starting to cripple the story. What's the point of reading hundreds of thousands of words of Joe improving himself in innumerable ways if the plot forces the antagonists to always be right up there with him? When he was getting beat down I was about ready to just drop the story out of sheer frustration.
I've just spent who knows how many hours reading hundreds of thousands of words of constant improvement only for it to be next to meaningless because the ABB are pretty much on godmode with how they're always right with him. This encounter should have lasted all of a thousand words with an utter curbstomp, and instead I'm supposed to suspend my disbelief and believe that it was nearly a pyrrhic victory with how much he was hurt. And I think the only one who died was Lung (and considering this story I'm guessing not only did he not die but he's going to show up right as rain because status quo is apparently god here), with everyone else getting away from what I skimmed.
I'm sorry for how stressed and frustrated this must come across as, but I hope it's at least understandable. Is this how the rest of this story will be? Endless improvement with his allies is utter shock at how nearly godlike he's becoming, only for his enemies to get last minute plot power ups to make him win by the skin of his teeth? Considering how similar this result was to every other encounter, it makes me feel like everything has been a waste of time.
All I want to know is if he actually can improve and be miles ahead of his enemies and have it actually matter in confrontations.
Again, I love this story otherwise I'd be nowhere near as invested, I'm just getting burnout from the chapter lengths, glacial slow passage of time, and the constant near defeats. Honestly it feels like each time he gets an upgrade the author feels the need to spend 10 thousand words going, "But don't worry it might be an upgrade but his enemies are still vastly superior and will make sure he bleeds every step of the way because it can never be made easy for him!"
Alright, got all that off my chest so now on to the last two updates (at the time of writing this). It was an amazing fight, but for every advantage he has the fact that it was so close feels utterly unbelievable and forced, and with them getting away it looks like we get to go through this whole thing again.
I've just spent who knows how many hours reading hundreds of thousands of words of constant improvement only for it to be next to meaningless because the ABB are pretty much on godmode with how they're always right with him. This encounter should have lasted all of a thousand words with an utter curbstomp, and instead I'm supposed to suspend my disbelief and believe that it was nearly a pyrrhic victory with how much he was hurt. And I think the only one who died was Lung (and considering this story I'm guessing not only did he not die but he's going to show up right as rain because status quo is apparently god here), with everyone else getting away from what I skimmed.
I'm sorry for how stressed and frustrated this must come across as, but I hope it's at least understandable. Is this how the rest of this story will be? Endless improvement with his allies is utter shock at how nearly godlike he's becoming, only for his enemies to get last minute plot power ups to make him win by the skin of his teeth? Considering how similar this result was to every other encounter, it makes me feel like everything has been a waste of time.
All I want to know is if he actually can improve and be miles ahead of his enemies and have it actually matter in confrontations.
Again, I love this story otherwise I'd be nowhere near as invested, I'm just getting burnout from the chapter lengths, glacial slow passage of time, and the constant near defeats. Honestly it feels like each time he gets an upgrade the author feels the need to spend 10 thousand words going, "But don't worry it might be an upgrade but his enemies are still vastly superior and will make sure he bleeds every step of the way because it can never be made easy for him!"
Alright, got all that off my chest so now on to the last two updates (at the time of writing this). It was an amazing fight, but for every advantage he has the fact that it was so close feels utterly unbelievable and forced, and with them getting away it looks like we get to go through this whole thing again.
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So the next few chapters are that chapter from others perspective, and it's bigger if you look at it from outside.
Enemies will not get super strong just to match Joe. Lung and the ABB were the exception for a number of reasons.
March was always going to be dangerous, unless he rolled some specific perks that would make the sting shard not instantly lethal, like equivalent exchange (mincraft) or rolling the fire or teleportation esper power.
Hell now he has a get out of jail free card that makes him invulnerable for 10 minutes. Also he will have a good while before the next major conflict. So he will be able to properly leverage his current perks.
The latest chapter actually makes the chapter you just read make more sense. And lucky for you a new chapter should come out in about 12 hours.
So don't worry about other gangs suddenly becoming able to fight endbringers solo. Plus once he frees himself from Tetra, he will have advanced a lot since he has been using the life fibres a lot on a super deep level.