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Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)

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Nimeroni said:
This fic isn't only on Sufficient Velocity, it's also on Archive of our own and fanfiction.net. So does it really matter ? If the rules here doesn't allow the author to write what he want, he can go elsewhere.
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Oh no, I am aware.
It's just I personally am on these websites more often than those two cuz I find it much easier and quicker to realize there have been chapter updates.
Archive and Fanfiction let me know my watched stories update through e-mails. My alerts sometimes take hours to let me know there is an update for stories there. SV and SB takes seconds to minutes due to that notification bell at the top of the screen.

I prefer my stories on these sites if it can be helped.

I have seen stories and authors I liked get banned and/or removed from these sites, stop posting period which is sad, or have their stuff on other sites but lose motivation to write anymore cuz they were depressed or angry about getting banned. Whether or not they deserved it for whatever reasons, I could care less. All I care about is my stories stopped, cuz I'm an asshole like that.
 
klassekatze said:
it didn't really make any sense to me for the general public to assume he was there for Khepri in particular.
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Well, let me quote the story itself (chapter 22):

Bakuda actually seemed to be considering it. "I can respect a mercenary attitude." She looked up towards Uber and Leet who, to her disgust, were still geeking out over my suit for some reason. "That is, a PROFESSIONAL mercenary attitude. Tell you what, after sorting out that mouthy girl I'm feeling a bit generous. You can have what's left of the rest of them, but I'm keeping the bug girl." She flicked the knife. "Lung has business with her. Let's say she's a welcome home present."
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"I can't accept that. Khepri is part of the contract, nonnegotiable." I shifted my stance to be slightly more aggressive but kept my weapons undeployed.
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A bit later:

Bakuda made an overly dismissive gesture. "Yeah, right. What are you working for, trading cards and lunch money?"
I shifted my stance again. "Not every business relationship is based on finances."
"So that's it then." There was something to her posture I couldn't quite place.
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"Pretty much." I shifted my armor again and gestured to her. "Offer still stands. Give me Khepri and the rest of them and we're done here."
My answer seemed to offend her somehow. "And here I thought I found a decent merc. Didn't expect you to get so personal."
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Obviously, the whole exchange have gone over his head because he is terrible with people, but it's very easy to read that (like Bakuda) as "I'm here because I'm an item with Khepri".
 
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Base level Mass Effect tech actually puts him in a way better position than Mannequin before he went round the bend, doesn't it?

Is there any annihilation tech he could use to deal with Crawler?

Any thing to detect parahumans in vicinity? (That's the first step to solve the obstacle that is Siberian)

On that note, how far does Siberian's invincibility go? Is it an Universal absolute?

Is there anything he can do to avoid the body hopping of Butcher?

Questions, questions... And we may very well be seeing answers in upcoming weeks
 
Trek said:
Any tech he shares with anyone also goes to ziz, scion, shards and cauldron until he gets a fiat backed black boxing perk, which I am not even sure exists in CFv1.
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Actually, I believe somewhere in the fic Joe said that he can make his tech black boxed or reproducible, but not sure.
 
Nimeroni said:
Well, let me quote the story itself (chapter 22):
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Obviously, the whole exchange have gone over his head because he is terrible with people, but it's very easy to read that (like Bakuda) as "I'm here because I'm an item with Khepri".
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Yes, I'm aware of those bits - in fact I reviewed the text before posting. He said he was here for the Undersiders. She gave him a nod for professionalism, then promptly demanded he unprofessionally leave Khepri. He said no, because who the hell woulsdn't say no to that even if Khepri was a fat old man, she's still an Undersider obviously.

Then the bit about finances. That could be literally anything, but sure, lets call it romance. Still not seeing why a would-be shipper, or Bakuda, would look at the Undersider's mug shots and say "definitely here for the bug girl."

Especially when Bakuda in particular knew he'd been called by Lisa, the walking villain girl stereotype in spandex. It's shallow to say she's more attractive, but this kind of shipping is shallow.

Anything pointing at Khepri in particular is just... rather weak.

Look, you could literally copy paste his words into Faultline's mouth and it look plausible. Would you then say Faultline was into Khepri?
 
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OzymandiasAgain said:
Plot for the Plot God?
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*shrug*

Look, I can buy what we've seen so far as just cherry-picked PHO. Bakuda's thoughts are ambiguous. I'm just saying if this keeps cropping up it's going to need some actual substance behind it. Otherwise... well, there was a guy earlier talking about gagging? I could care less even if he was into Khepri, but having literally everyone on this same psychically linked misconception will get stale fast.
 
Sterlyn said:
Actually, I believe somewhere in the fic Joe said that he can make his tech black boxed or reproducible, but not sure.
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I asked this on AO, author said until mc picks up a anti precog, blackboxing, anti remote viewing perk or makes a magic item that does that it can all happen to him, even in his warehouse when the door is open.
 
klassekatze said:
Yes, I'm aware of those bits - in fact I reviewed the text before posting. He said he was here for the Undersiders. She gave him a nod for professionalism, then promptly demanded he unprofessionally leave Khepri. He said no, because who the hell woulsdn't say no to that even if Khepri was a fat old man, she's still an Undersider obviously.

Then the bit about finances. That could be literally anything, but sure, lets call it romance. Still not seeing why a would-be shipper, or Bakuda, would look at the Undersider's mug shots and say "definitely here for the bug girl."

Especially when Bakuda in particular knew he'd been called by Lisa, the walking villain girl stereotype in spandex. It's shallow to say she's more attractive, but this kind of shipping is shallow.

Anything pointing at Khepri in particular is just... rather weak.

Look, you could literally copy paste his words into Faultline's mouth and it look plausible. Would you then say Faultline was into Khepri?
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Those lines where sufficient to point toward Apeiron dating one of the Undersiders girls, especially since it neatly explain how the Undersiders could have been equipped with Tinkertech that are way above their pay grade.

What pushed the opinion toward Khepri and not Tattletale is the quality of their equipment. Khepri little sword is of a much higher quality than the rest of the Undersiders toys (because that's the first item created with the Decadence perk). It's also the only one with a rune, but that's not something the public should know.
 
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Nimeroni said:
What pushed the opinion toward Khepri and not Tattletale is the quality of their equipment. Khepri little sword is of a much higher quality than the rest of the Undersiders toys (because that's the first item created with the Decadence perk).
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I guess. Admittedly, we don't really have a very deep look at the public perception (as relates to this) as of yet. So long as it's just thin speculation and not some kind of certain truth by the other powers, I can buy that much.

(Of course, it would be funny to me if he did go on PHO and as disinformation said "actually, so-and-so is just my little brother/sister, you're all perverts")
 
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Nimeroni said:
She already know she have a overly powerful Tinker who is in love with her (or whatever his power is saying about her). And she feel horrible about it, because she think she corrupted him to villainy or something. See the addendum of the previous chapter.
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I was talking about the fact that someone compare her to a supermodel, not her supposed relationship with the main character.
 
Trek said:
Except for the fact that joining the PRT comes with massive downsides and would cripple mc and prevent him from growing and making stuff he desperately needs. Everything he would be forced to share like the details of his powers, his abilities would go to he precogs even after he gets precog protection making it impossible for him to win against the real threats.

He can already heal without needing to join, he just needs to take control of the public narrative using his art perks and some good coding. That way he can get the best of both worlds without the crippling restrictions and downsides that would come with associating with the PRT in any real way.
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Anthony1967 said:
There are many MANY other ways than teaming up with Shitmaster. Velocity, assault, and battery are much better.
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He doesn't NEED to join, I already adressed that. Joe has more than enough resource and abilities to be self sustainable and give them the middle finger. I'm pretty sure I've never even said that, simply that is what the PRT wants him to be not on the "villain" side or at least have a connection to work with him even as a healing rogue and that is not even putting his tech into the equation

But considering that the PRT has the hold of the narrative and the fact that Joe DUG himself in the villain hole by giving lethal weapons to villains that ended up nearly butchering a Ward on live tv and not doing anything to disporve the notion. Going around healing randomly would end in every one he helps be under deep scrutiny. Imcreasing in power would end up with an S-class stamp, a personal visit by the Triumvirate or Contessa manipulations if he proves to be valuable or powerful enough with his tech

Joe has clean up the mess that he started and get the trust of the public. Being a PRT ASSOCIATE is enough for a lot of leeway in public perception and what he can get away publicly. Literally the PRT ok-ing his healing tech as without side effect already puts him at the top of the foodchain and opens a lot of doors with what he can do openly
 
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theaceoffire said:
And if he just needs an emotional connection, without requiring a sexual angle to it, he might already have something similar to that with garment. She's acting something like a roommate friend or just comrade at the moment... Which is something he really needs.
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With all of his advanced technology I really want Joe to make Garment a humanoid body just for the shipping and helping Garment out.
 
Nimeroni said:
Best way to get Weld to be held for master/stranger protocols.
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...wait, now that I think of it, Weld is immune to master powers because of the Manton effect (he count as inorganic for them). So saving Weld is a good way in putting good word into the PRT ears without tripping into master/stranger protocols (like he did with Amy).
 
Trek said:
Except for the fact that joining the PRT comes with massive downsides and would cripple mc and prevent him from growing and making stuff he desperately needs. Everything he would be forced to share like the details of his powers, his abilities would go to he precogs even after he gets precog protection making it impossible for him to win against the real threats.

He can already heal without needing to join, he just needs to take control of the public narrative using his art perks and some good coding. That way he can get the best of both worlds without the crippling restrictions and downsides that would come with associating with the PRT in any real way.
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Except that the PRT is already being a massive hindrance to his ability to operate in the open. He is being openly slandered in such a way that people aren't going to accept his help in anything. Working with the PRT in other locations would help with that significantly. Note "with" not "for."

I don't think he should join the Protectorate. But even if he did, I don't see them being able to actually do much of anything to restrict his ability to tinker. The primary method of doing so is to cut his budget. Secondary might be to actively remove resources from his workshop... that actively generates resources as used.

And yeah, he totally could take control of the public narrative. If he actually tried he could probably utterly humiliate them. But on the other hand, he has major issues with socialization that won't disappear over night. He has a good chance making an AI specifically for PR purposes but things like this? Things that you don't want to do or are actively a waste of time compared to doing things inside of your own specialty? That's what having an organization is all about.

That said, the PRT have already proven themselves to be incredible shitheels to deal with as enemies if you care even a little bit about being a hero. Better to at least normalize relations at the very least than deal with everyone he helps being thrown in M/S at the very least.
 
Ryune said:
Secondary might be to actively remove resources from his workshop... that actively generates resources as used.
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And unlike most Tinkers, his workshop isn't a place you can pillage while he isn't there. And he can change the entrance each time he goes into his workshop, which make it incredibly hard to find where it is.
 
KnightofRoyalty said:
I think joe plans of saving weld could probably work to get better relations with maeby the wards but I think this will further humiliate the PRT because now not only will it seems that they can't respond to fight a major city threat but they can't even save their own members, let alone a very famous teenager like weld.

Also joe should plan a method to reveal weld is safe without Making him go to master containment, which I'm sure Weld will not be happy after being stuck in the ocean for 24 hours.

MPs: sorry if it reads bad I'm writing this on my phone.
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pretty sure that if the choice was bottom of the ocean until the crisis is resolved, and they can start trying to find him, Weld would jump at the choice of 48 hours m/s screening

klassekatze said:
I'll be honest. I bought the Joe/Taylor misinterpretation from the Undersiders, mainly with Alec pushing it. But 'supermodel' allegations aside, it didn't really make any sense to me for the general public to assume he was there for Khepri in particular. Or Bakuda to assume it for that matter. Yeah, he named Khepri... after Bakuda specifically demanded to keep Khepri. He literally never named her until Bakuda brought her up. He's shown no bias whatsoever towards her, unless you count 'not willing to leave a Undersider behind' as bias.

So 'funny' as it is, why are outsiders jumping on the same bandwagon when they have no reason to even see one? Heck, if they must ship, they ought to be shipping him with the blonde in spandex that called him in, not the creepy walking insect. (talking her costume, here, and her perception on camera in canon)

But no, just Khepri on PHO.

It really feels like the author/audience joke has bled into the story without in-story supporting evidence to back it up.
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while i agree, they did show good synergy fighting and trust in each others backs to each other, and did the "WE LIVE" reveal together, and shipping has been built on less.

and she is the "Leader" of undersider, with nicest gear...

i can see why they would ship them.

but it should not be as strong a ship as is shown in story, exept maybe for the undersiders that where there when her appearance changed him from a maybe to a firm yes in supplying them, except Lisa the "i know why he did it" girl has explicitly told them "It's not that he loves her, it's his thinker power that thinks he should go all in on her"
 
Denty said:
He doesn't NEED to join, I already adressed that. Joe has more than enough resource and abilities to be self sustainable and give them the middle finger. I'm pretty sure I've never even said that, simply that is what the PRT wants him to be not on the "villain" side or at least have a connection to work with him even as a healing rogue and that is not even putting his tech into the equation

But considering that the PRT has the hold of the narrative and the fact that Joe DUG himself in the villain hole by giving lethal weapons to villains that ended up nearly butchering a Ward on live tv and not doing anything to disporve the notion. Going around healing randomly would end in every one he helps be under deep scrutiny. Imcreasing in power would end up with an S-class stamp, a personal visit by the Triumvirate or Contessa manipulations if he proves to be valuable or powerful enough with his tech

Joe has clean up the mess that he started and get the trust of the public. Being a PRT ASSOCIATE is enough for a lot of leeway in public perception and what he can get away publicly. Literally the PRT ok-ing his healing tech as without side effect already puts him at the top of the foodchain and opens a lot of doors with what he can do openly
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For basically all of this he doesn't have to make stuff for Shitmaster. I'm fine with this!
 
PROTOTYPElu2 said:
imagine his reaction if he gets something from the fucking Xeelee or, god forbid, the Photino Birds.
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Alas, the Xeelee Sequence itself is not in the jumpchain!

You can still totally match them, though, and just with technology options. Something like Achron + Terminator + Planetary Annihilation + Revelation Space + Universal Paperclips should be more than enough.
 
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