Then how does the call bead trick work? Wouldn't the resulting beads/ingredients disappear after 10 minutes?
Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)
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So I don't know if anyone has asked yet and it's late where I am, so are you going to try to update the Celestial Forge with the new jumps that have come up?
The call bead trick is more like a spell than anything else. It requires some physical components and at the end the result is a call bead. It doesn't matter that the components would disappear- they have already been used up and no longer exist. Or the actual alchemy is too make a hole in reality that scabs over and forms a call bead.
The bead isn't the technical effect of alchemy, it is the side effect of what it does.
Edit: If the MC used gas that had been cloned after 10 mins the fuel would disappear. If he used it to burn something after 10 mins the gas would go poof, but if anything was charred from the fire it would still be so.
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The updated Forge hasn't been refined as there is a lot of clutter and bloated so wait for that. I believe Lord also said that it would take a second trigger or a major event to get the updated Forge.
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Or it's just not as interesting to TT, since it means she couldn't tease Taylor in a friendly way, further manipulating her to her own ends. If TT mentions the platonic comments, she loses another thread to make Taylor dance to her tune.
Thank you for the reply. Out of curiosity, what do you think is the most likely scenario about Joe finding out the truth about his power's origin?
I have another question. Does Joe have 4 copies of his computational throne/diamond computer neural interface or did Workaholic not trigger for the final construction? I assume that he didn't choose larger size because there are quite a few computer components you don't want larger.
Same question for Garment's dress and cellphone.
i guess we are going to asume that eiter Survey or one of the clones took the time to scan our misc books and gifted reserchnotes for throne time? it's just common sense and easily fits under the most basic of basic upgrades and networking they are doing to the entire workshop.
Guess Joe should also hope that atleast one of them upgrades the house, but i could also see them not do that, as he has a very nice studio apartment to live in as well.
but all that food he was given is going to come in handy. Even if it's just non perishable, he has essentially unlimited amounts of spam sandwitches now. and all the spaghetti and tuna he will ever need. i wounder if he has milkpowder in there... it used to be more common, and it's a bunker stockpiled prior to war breaking out...
Edit not sure if it was ever discussed what Dennis would conceivably pay Joe with for healing his father, but i can easily see 5 options.
Trigger: It's his trigger, and Joe is good at understanding what kind of trauma it would take for specific powers to manifest. Soo a kid comes up to him and asks him to make his triger not come back, i could see Joe heal with minimal payment. or free, since it's a trigger, and fuck those.
Money: Joe doesn't really need that much money anymore, but sure, he could empty out his bank account. Or just give the hero kid the undersiders discount. or just any appropriate amount.
Broken Tech: Clock could have acces- to broken tinker tech, and joe would deffinatly accept payment in tech, broken or
Kid win: Any of kid wins tech would also be acceptable.
As would
Containment foam: Clockblocker defiantly has acces to atleast a few foam granades. reversing that tech would be huge advance in nonleathal takedowns.
Othervice, there is always favors. Like, say, "I will heal this person close to you, no questions asked. But please do try to speak up for me at work. I am not a master, just like you, those guys you have in m/s are just grateful for me saving the life of them or a loved one"
Guess Joe should also hope that atleast one of them upgrades the house, but i could also see them not do that, as he has a very nice studio apartment to live in as well.
but all that food he was given is going to come in handy. Even if it's just non perishable, he has essentially unlimited amounts of spam sandwitches now. and all the spaghetti and tuna he will ever need. i wounder if he has milkpowder in there... it used to be more common, and it's a bunker stockpiled prior to war breaking out...
Edit not sure if it was ever discussed what Dennis would conceivably pay Joe with for healing his father, but i can easily see 5 options.
Trigger: It's his trigger, and Joe is good at understanding what kind of trauma it would take for specific powers to manifest. Soo a kid comes up to him and asks him to make his triger not come back, i could see Joe heal with minimal payment. or free, since it's a trigger, and fuck those.
Money: Joe doesn't really need that much money anymore, but sure, he could empty out his bank account. Or just give the hero kid the undersiders discount. or just any appropriate amount.
Broken Tech: Clock could have acces- to broken tinker tech, and joe would deffinatly accept payment in tech, broken or
Kid win: Any of kid wins tech would also be acceptable.
As would
Containment foam: Clockblocker defiantly has acces to atleast a few foam granades. reversing that tech would be huge advance in nonleathal takedowns.
Othervice, there is always favors. Like, say, "I will heal this person close to you, no questions asked. But please do try to speak up for me at work. I am not a master, just like you, those guys you have in m/s are just grateful for me saving the life of them or a loved one"
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Oh god YES PLEASE! I love Metal Gear.
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To quote the author on AO3:
He already knows, as per chapter 1. His passenger explained it to him when he triggered.
Fair enough.
In other news, I would think think we're nearing the point where it shouldn't matter what Armsmaster and/or Piggot's unconscious biases are leaning toward.
With Bakuda's clusterfuck, Apeiron's performance should have hit the Chief Director's desk + other analysts even if just because it was in the same footage as Bakuda. There's no way they wouldn't be aware.
So there should be half a dozen outside-BB analysts / Thinkers / Tinkers saying 'this guy is gonna be big' which should put real pressure on Piggot & co to not needlessly burn bridges. Sure, they can spin Master nonsense internally, but it would explain why they aren't publicly claiming he's a Master.
They can't afford to double down like that because playing that dirty would make him unrecruitable. (A super-Tinker that hates you isn't a safe employee.) Obviously, they aren't aware that Tattletale can read their internal memos.
...Which actually makes me wonder if Coil and/or on her own initiative has her subtly encouraging him to think the PRT are the worstest.
Has anyone here considered that? We've not seen a peep from the PRT about him. Not one bit. Everything we 'know' about how they're doing him 'wrong' is right out of Tattletales' mouth, who has a vested interest in him not joining the PRT. Even his power only thinks her character is adorables, it doesn't actually know if she's stretching the truth on him.
I'm not saying the PRT aren't being idiots, but there's an upper limit to how idiot they're actually being, seeing as afaik they've not put him on the news as a villain or publicly called him a Master or anything.
It makes me wonder if Tattletale's not taking their reasonable if erroneous (due to Arms) quiet caution, and spinning it as much as she can without getting called out on it in the future.
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The thing is that just because we haven't heard anything doesn't mean they aren't doing anything. Joe is puposefully avoiding any action that would let him find out and Tattletale is not omniscient nor does she necessarily tell us everything she knows.
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is basically my point
Yes, it's also true that Joe is Oblivious Lvl. MAX and criminally negligent when it comes to gathering his own info, despite having literal AI. It's entirely possible that Tattletale is 100% unbiased and telling it to him straight, with no ulterior motive or desired outcome.
At the same time, surely if there was a APB / warrant / hard intent to arrest him, Tattletale would say so, no matter her motives. It'd be gold for keeping him away from them, after all.
But... she doesn't. All she says is stuff like 'they suspect you're evil / they think you're fake / a master / they see the worst in you'. All things that would discourage him from engaging with the PRT, but nothing that, if he did, could be easily shown to be false or slanted.
There's nothing to say for sure either way, but I think that's telling.
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Well I mean she did tell him that Piggot blacklisted him, and also gave info and why Wards from Boston and New York were joining (which was to recruit him) which leans towards Tattletale being truthful, as if she wanted him away from the Protectorate she would've left out how they (at least the directors outside of Brockton Bay) want him.
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I don't think Tattletale is being entirely truthful but I legitimately don't think she'd leave out stuff like that. Both because her personality tends towards telling others stuff they need to know, and because if he does join the PRT, he's likely to learn about what happened.
So far, from the interludes, it seems that the PRT is mostly against him, at least in Brockton Bay. That really isn't unexpected, as the PRT ENE and New Wave are a clusterfuck of massive proportions, and what happened to their Wards was seriously fucked up. Joe messed up on several levels and didn't clarify important things when they needed to, and has so far avoided doing so because of his personality.
As much as Tattletale can be a bitch, the balance in Brockton Bay was literally carefully crafted so that a warlord could be propped up. Is it really any wonder that just by giving some information without knowing its effects, that it could spiral out of control?
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Isn't that also, the reality actually?
Remember, he has coin jar, where he puts in money, any time he has non-human or 'condescending towards humans' thoughts.
Brian called him once, when he was doing mad scientist stuff. Or what sounded a lot like a mad scientist, who had an escaped experiment running around, that he recaptured. (The life fibre incident. Is a classic mad scientist, Frankenstein scenario.
For anyone who doesn't know his powers, that sounds like a biological tinker too... )
Some of his powers, effect his mind. Bringing non human thoughts and ways of thinking in.
Some of his powers effect his actions. Can he make a sandwich without accidentally making 5 or a bigger one.
(Looks like obsessive behaviour, using tinker tech for all actions, by someone who doesn't know his powers.)
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Yo, Knaka, want an omake idea?
What I said to Ster:
"Joe is Alexandria and Hero's illegitimate child"
Actually, that'd be a fucking good story line
where Alexandria and Hero were manipulated by Contessa to create Joe without either of the two realizing it
and then, when it was a failure for anything, contessa manipulated a family (a large one) into actually, genuinely believing
that Joe was part of their family
So, what do you think? Omake material or nah? Regardless, you can steal the entire idea if you want
What I said to Ster:
"Joe is Alexandria and Hero's illegitimate child"
Actually, that'd be a fucking good story line
where Alexandria and Hero were manipulated by Contessa to create Joe without either of the two realizing it
and then, when it was a failure for anything, contessa manipulated a family (a large one) into actually, genuinely believing
that Joe was part of their family
So, what do you think? Omake material or nah? Regardless, you can steal the entire idea if you want
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Could be a robot. "Did you put terminator in his box ?"
"I can't help it, I must produce beautiful and completly overpowered items. That's the downside of my powers. Do you remember Persephone's rainbow ? It was supposed to be a small material sample that Amy could use to prove she spoke to me."
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and also the Charisma to make totally normal people willing to risk their lives for your experiments
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I had my fingers crossed for another Big O perk, but on going back and checking the Celestial Forge, the memory-related one he already got was the only one.
This reply made me realize that I was too vague with my comment. I meant when Joe would realize that his powers are taken from fictional media like Master Builder is from Transformers. However, It could also mean when Joe realizes that his power is from a completely different source (Jumpchain) than other parahuman powers.
Joe still thinks that his power comes from a shard/passenger, but one from outside the current cycle.
This might be an interesting omake, but I don't think I'll write it like you outlined, if I do at all. I generally write omakes only when inspiration hits.
On the bright side, I recently thought of a good omake idea to write soon*.
*soon is objective to me, it could be an hour from now, or a few days. No guarantees.
If Joe Sparks I have little doubt about the fact that Joe could easily go full Heterodyne and with what he has access to in the Forge well Scion will be crying harder at the end of Worm.
