Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)

On the subject of Bakuda's munitions.

The previous confrontation with Bakuda was on Saturday - it has been 5 days since then.

If we assume Bakuda can make 1 bomb a minute, then working 50 minutes an hour and 20 hours a day, she could have made 5k bombs total. I think that serves as a reasonable upper bound - even if she works longer hours she won't get much more than that, and 1 bomb per minute seems pretty generous already.

If we assume bombs take 5 minutes to make each, that takes her total arsenal down to 1k.

Let's say she has been prepping since
You forget her stockpiles she was building before facing the undersiders, and anything she might have brought with her unused from Cornell. Also she has time-bombs, so who knows if she can use them in a subverted manner(like she subverted cancer-bombs to heal) to allow her to work faster. 1k conscripts is quite a bit tbh, and if we assume only 1/3 conscripts has a real bomb, then we might be talking 3k conscripts which is even crazier.
 
You forget her stockpiles she was building before facing the undersiders, and anything she might have brought with her unused from Cornell.
I find it hard to believe that should would have massive stock left over from before. It is not impossible, but I would be surprised if it was the case.

Also she has time-bombs, so who knows if she can use them in a subverted manner(like she subverted cancer-bombs to heal) to allow her to work faster.
I feel like if that was the case we would have seen it in the Leet interlude too. Also it seems not-exactly-up-her-alley; in the same way her rapid-regeneration bombs cause cancer as a side effect. I'm not saying it is impossible, but it seems unlikely.
 
I find it hard to believe that should would have massive stock left over from before. It is not impossible, but I would be surprised if it was the case.
I mean she's been in BB for like 2 months? Let's say 60 days. If in 5 days she can make 1k bombs, in 60 she can make 12k. That is not accounting for the time it takes to build more complex project like the Missiles she showed off.
I feel like if that was the case we would have seen it in the Leet interlude too. Also it seems not-exactly-up-her-alley; in the same way her rapid-regeneration bombs cause cancer as a side effect. I'm not saying it is impossible, but it seems unlikely.
yeah fair enough, that was dumb of me in hindsight, very unlikely
 
Great chapter as always but it still feels like joe repeats how awesome his tech is a lot,and he feels like he is always flying by the seat of his pants not thinking at all.
Bakuda and march had already used lots of forced conscripts to cause chaos why would he think this time would be different and just go with his duplicates and a few drones?,he could literally make a stealth drone army in a day and just fuck up the abb, not to mention that it's impossible for all the abb to communicate without using cellphones why not keep an eye on that?.Bakuda and leet have limitations in the speed to build tinkertech and the materials they have how are they keeping up with him and why is he not keeping and eye on the flow of materials of the city?the dude has great scanning tech but can't be bothered to look for people with surgery lessions for bombs?.it's always the same cycle ,new perk lets do the gear all over again and not move forward at all,he literally is being carried by the celestial forge
He deliberately is holding back 90% of his abilities because of fear of precogs and the public's good opinion.

On info warfare he tried that with March who is a bullshit mary sue thinker complete with plot armour until she wasn't, she is honestly being undersold a little here. Last time it lead to a raid, this time he was detected and prompted this. Any of those could be conceivably be answered with March thought of it Leet/Bakuda teched out a solution or fixed an old bit of gear and/or he wants to conceal the true magnitude of his abilities. Stealth drone army? Lots of heat given his shaky legal standing, He could illegally wire tap all their phones but he can't do it 100% tracelessly before Dragon set up shop on the data networks or accounting for thinkers or the Simurgh who he is really worried about, Build speed limits? Bakuda could do a time speed up bomb and she is implied to be able to take her frozen time fields down to say nothing of her preexisting stockpile of bombs and Leet's years of junk waiting to be refurbished or just used with thinker support so there is no fail chance. Panopticon scanning? Comes back to why he doesn't wire tap. The number of bombs is the biggest stretch I think, but a device or stim that lets them tinker more with less down time, Leet's old tools, and any mass production tricks like a bomb that turns things into rare metals/alloys really the biggest thing is that March is playing to their shards so they are more generous in their power rulings which snowballs back to shortcuts.

Edit: I'd add March is also trying to play Joe and his hangups aren't uncommon.
 
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He deliberately is holding back 90% of his abilities because of fear of precogs and the publics good opinion.

On info warfare he tried that with March who is a bullshit mary sue thinker complete with plot armour until she wasn't, she is honestly being undersold a little here. Last time it lead to a raid, this time he was detected and prompted this. Any of those could be conceivably be answered with March thought of it Leet/Bakuda teched out a solution or fixed an old bit of gear and/or he wants to conceal the true magnitude of his abilities. Stealth drone army? Lots of heat given his shaky legal standing, He could illegally wire tap all their phones but he can't do it 100% tracelessly before Dragon set up shop on the data networks or accounting for thinkers or the Simurgh who he is really worried about, Build speed limits? Bakuda could do a time speed up bomb and she is implied to be able to take her frozen time fields down to say nothing of her preexisting stockpile of bombs and Leets years of junk waiting to be refurbished or just used with thinker support so there is no fail chance. Panopticon scanning? comes back to why he doesn't wire tap. The number of bombs is the biggest stretch I think, but a device or stim that lets them tinker more with less down time, Leets old tools, and any mass production tricks like a bomb that turns things into rare metals/alloys really the biggest thing is that March is playing to their shards so they are more generous in their power rulings which snowballs back to shortcuts.
I mostly agree but on the time-bomb fields I will say that is the result of march. Sting allows her to pop those bubbles as she did in wards iirc.
But yeah, he can't afford to go all out, and as a reminder; Bakuda has reverse-engineering bombs hidden about the city. Even if she can't replicate everything, just a couple of design principles and her & Leet get a lot stronger, and become a greater threat. They also recently stole Armsmaster's data on various parahumans, so that's a boost to them.
I still don't think the bombs are that much of a stretch.
Also ABB have a billion fronts and whatnot that are protected by Numberman that they could use to get materials for Bakuda. There is a reason the PRT failed to find Bakuda either, besides the damage done.
tbh Wolf you feel ignorant of the scenario joe in is rn.
 
What I don't get is, how is that every single of your actions against conscripts or gangers is broadcasted to everyone in the WORMVERSE.
Its like if you walk down the road every villain is going to know your innermost secrets.
But even with your advanced scanning technology you can't find out what have they done or are still doing when you knew they were going to do something big?
 
I am late on commenting that joe has gundams, but JOE has gundams.

Here are the names of every decent system joe now has access to. Mivonsky flight system, Mega particle beam canon (from deep striker simulations), ALICE, Exam/hades (both would need modifications,and while not immediately known Cyber newtypes and all the newtype insanity.

joe knows all the newtype specific tech. I bet he could reverse engineer himself the cyber newtype process if the titans could do it off of amuros piloting data. He probably wouldn't do it to himself, but it's possible.
 
Hands the size of microwaves, the tangled mass of scar tissue that served as her skin, obvious deformities in bone structure, proportions and symmetry. And those were just the surface level differences.
She always had to look down to speak to people, but this was an exceptional amount of down. The speaker was a child, maybe four or five with a gleam of wonder in his eyes
She quickly remembered that genuine smiles tended to do horrible things to the placement of the skin on the left side of her face and immediately shifted to the more subdued expression she had developed with the help of a California PRT publicist.
But it was a chance. A real chance, the first she had. Weld's call had required all of her control, all the lessons in comportment and public perception that until then had mostly been a formality. She had drawn on all of them to keep herself from giving things away.

Man... This POV really hits home how shitty the C53s lot in life are like. The fact that there really is no investment from the government in finding a goddamn cure for their condition.

The PRT publicist really highlights the problem that for the C53s the only investment the Public Relation Team/ Protectorate will do is try to market you as a product rather than help them.

I hope that she gets Aperion's attention at the very least so that she can finally get the promotion to Team Captain she wants.

Though to be blunt the C53s tend to be more of a holding cell rather any attempt to integrate them into society as there are really no attempts to integrate parahumans in society.

Protectorate forces have been marshaled to move against elements of the expanding conflict. Ward forces remain on standby, and expanded deployment of PRT troops and National Guard forces is being prepared
The Guild hero dragon has announced that she will be accelerating the deployment of her Cetus response suit, and is expected to deploy it upon arrival to the city, estimated at 40-65 minutes

Man... The response time of the Heroes really suck in this case. Earth-Bet Government forces are screwed, and the non-government forces are disorganized

The Protectorate is gutted due to injuries, Wards are not able to be deployed for obvious reasons that sending child capes in this situation would result in backlash if they get damaged.
The PRT is useless by design and Coil subversion.
The National Guard are probably way over their heads if they actually get in considering how underfunded conventional military forces are.
The Police are non-existent in this scale of conflict.
New-wave is disorganized and scattershot.
Dragon would take almost an hour just to arrive.

It's time for Apeirion to make them look useless as he saves more slave conscripts and single handedly saves the city from the ABB :p .

I feel like if that was the case we would have seen it in the Leet interlude too. Also it seems not-exactly-up-her-alley; in the same way her rapid-regeneration bombs cause cancer as a side effect. I'm not saying it is impossible, but it seems unlikely.

She is probably jury rigging Leet's old warehouses for stuff as implied during the Leet interlude. Also her tinkering apparently is slanted towards quickly produced explosives in comparison to other tinkers.

Wouldn't be surprised if a majority of the new bombs are simply Leet tech jury-rigged to explode as bombs. They would not be as good as her regular bombs she can make now if she focuses but she simply needs quantity.
 
My only problem with the chapter is how the flow was disrupted by another constatation that wasn't relevant to the events occuring. When he went on his tangent in the middle of a high stakes situation it felt like a grab for more words. Every chapter has these moments in some shape or form, for example a few chapters back stating info like how his powers allow him to make the perfect breakfast. Not stuff we needed to know until it becomes relevant to the story.

Aside from that the verbal sparring was nice and seeing how March and Bakuda leverage their abilities to deal with a superior opponent. I find the villians using tricks to match Joe more entertaining then Joe himself.
 
personally i think joe was thinking about that while he was either moving toward his objective or while he was beating the snot out of irrelevant gangsters. Thus joe was flexing his skills by thinking about things that weren't the actual fight ahead. Fleet does drive the motoroids most of the time.
 
just realized that Gully probably has never been flirted with. She is gonna have no idea how to deal with Joe once she actually finds him.
So it's gonna a miscommunication on both sides for sure.
As Gully looked at the dazzling display frozen in time she felt even more self-conscious than usual. What place did she have next to something like this? Apeiron obviously valued beauty. His works had started stunning and progressed to a level of artistry that one could barely put into words. Weld may have had as many problems with his condition as any Case 53, but there was a good reason he was effectively their spokesman. Nobody would argue with the suggestion that, despite any mitigating factors, he was the best looking of all of them.
 
Remember when he crafts tetra into a article of clothing, he can use arcane enchanter, dustweaving, fae improved cafting(also demigod child athena), and elven enchantment (possibly a few more) to give tetra a considerable boost.
 
Just realized Taylor got pushed into supermodel levels of looks with her association to Apeiron.
She thought about Khepri. Rumors were unconfirmed, but there was so denying that the girl was thin, model height, and had amazing hair. Was that the kind of standard Apeiron used? Did she have any hope? Was she wasting her time? The grim clouds of dark thoughts began circling through her mind, threatening to swallow her up.
 
Well, in canon, Taylor gets everything about her downplayed by the PRT (up until she took over the city, basically), and generally people are distracted away from anything to do with her, so no national recognition.

Here, she's actually high profile, and people are seemingly latching onto the "beautiful people" angle because of Apeiron's stylistic choices and showmanship. To be fair, though, Taylor did work out after getting her powers, and she's got legs for days...
 
Personally, I hope he takes the kamui construction as an opportunity to not just name, but sing to the infinite. If Tetra isn't worth the effort and drain, what would be?

Also, is there a reason his perk that makes five items instead of one wouldn't work on this?
 
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One thing I haven't really seen people spend much thought on, is the reaction everyone else will have to Aperion sending one of his duplicates to storm a bomb tinkers lair while she is waging a scorched earth defense with every Bomb she can lay hands on.

That is either a sign that he is confident enough to blast his way in knowing that he can overcome all defenses, or he isn't concerned about losing a suit. Maybe both...

That right there is a statement in of itself.

Also I cannot wait to see the endgame, because I get the feeling Aperion is going to unload enough ordnance to make an Endbringer fight look undergunned.
 
Personally, I hope he takes the kamui construction as an opportunity to not just name, but sing to the infinite. If Tetra isn't worth the effort and drain, what would be?

Also, is there a reason his perk that makes five items instead of one wouldn't work on this?
Something something his material is sapient and still comes out as sapient on the other end? It's less sewing and more like how trees are turned into bonsai really.
That is either a sign that he is confident enough to blast his way in knowing that he can overcome all defenses, or he isn't concerned about losing a suit. Maybe both...

That right there is a statement in of itself.
I mean, he did just talk about the loss of a previous suit being nothing to him (because it was a duplicate) because it was three-day-old technology. If someone developed tech at his pace, it makes sense that he wouldn't care about losses, when they go obsolete in the matter of days.

It's hilarious, imagining him as a tech salesman. That planned obsolescence model has to be very short term.

Apeiron: "You know the really good watches I gave you guys the other day?"
Undersiders: "Yeah?"
Apeiron: "Well throw them out, they're useless (to me) now. Here's one that is ten times better at half the price!"
 
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I mean, he did just talk about the loss of a previous suit being nothing to him (because it was a duplicate) because it was three-day-old technology. If someone developed tech at his pace, it makes sense that he wouldn't care about losses, when they go obsolete in the matter of days.
the more shocking thing to everyone watching is that he was not lying as he immediately shows off SEVEN more suits that were even better than the one lost to the time bubble.
 
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I mostly agree but on the time-bomb fields I will say that is the result of march. Sting allows her to pop those bubbles as she did in wards iirc.
But yeah, he can't afford to go all out, and as a reminder; Bakuda has reverse-engineering bombs hidden about the city. Even if she can't replicate everything, just a couple of design principles and her & Leet get a lot stronger, and become a greater threat. They also recently stole Armsmaster's data on various parahumans, so that's a boost to them.
I still don't think the bombs are that much of a stretch.
Also ABB have a billion fronts and whatnot that are protected by Numberman that they could use to get materials for Bakuda. There is a reason the PRT failed to find Bakuda either, besides the damage done.
tbh Wolf you feel ignorant of the scenario joe in is rn.
Joe only has protected his workshop so anything he takes out of it the Simurg knows ,so she know about his armor,his drones,his scanner ,tetra ,fleet,aura,his aura weapon ,that he can manipulate powers,alchemy,his implant ,mega lazer,his armor,dust casting,healing,his potions,partially curing case 53's,bragging about 3 day old tech , mid fight reclamation of tinkertech and fighting dragon is totally hidding his potential yeah sure.
Joe was twice beating in his hacking skills all the while saying he was not prepared and he literally keeps building body armor instead of trying to git gud at hacking ,numberman handles banking not all the logistics of supervillians even if he did joe could track the movement of materials in the city with stealth drones ,and what if dragon is in the city? I seriously doubt she could be any kind of problem with just 3 days to move to the bay,Joe can also make drones no tinker could find even if they tried for years.saying he can't show his tech or build an army of drones because of public opinion is bullshit yeah people are gonna get scared but does joe think that's more important than stopping a threat that he thinks is worse than endbringers?
All the things he is doing right now just show his hand and prolong the fight with the abb while giving march more chances to beat him
 
just realized that Gully probably has never been flirted with. She is gonna have no idea how to deal with Joe once she actually finds him.
I actually wonder. Given his aesthetic powers, would curing a Case 53 for him automatically turn them all into supermodels if he does it successfully? In that case, you could easily see fairy tale comparisons with Apeiron being the Fairy Godfather. Or the prince that broke the princess' curse, if people are feeling shippy.
 
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