Whenever consider Pigot or Calvert motivation = Nilbog. They went through that S class.
Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)
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Whenever consider Pigot or Calvert motivation = Nilbog. They went through that S class.
Because, regardless of what Piggot thinks, Gully is a (technically) free citizen who has committed no defined crime while specifically acting on her own recognisance when on leave from her job. The best they can do is administrative punishment when she returns to duty, not one second before – her coming in to the office briefly to update her official ID is a courtesy she is indulging for her immediate superior, not any kind of actual obligation until her leave expires. It just happens to also be more convenient to do now rather than later because she needs accurate ID.
Omake idea: Joe decides to "fix" the Undersiders by throwing them all into the Spiritron Core with Dr. Campbell for a "year" or so. Along with a Duplijoe so they can learn some stuff.
Then Aisha turns up and Brian is freaked out that his sister knows Apeiron… of course Aisha has to play it up "what? No, Joe is just the tutor Ms. Mertens found for me so I can get caught up for Arcadia."
"Don't be silly Brian, Apeiron is the biggest baddest cape ever, there's no way he'd be doing side gigs as a glorified babysitter."
"A what? Where? No, this is" *quickly changes the simulation to look like Brockton Bay* "just a park out by Captain's Hill we like to study at what it's nice out."
"Brian, are you okay? You're not making any sense!"
"Oh you're here to see Dr. Campbell? Yeah, his practice is just over there, can't miss it."
With a bit of luck, by the time they get out the Undersiders will be convinced Aisha just naively believes her "tutor" is just a regular guy who is "a good explainer" and their little tutoring sessions "just fly by" rather than being augmented by any sort of tinkertech…
Can Aisha keep a "bit" going for an entire year? What will the Undies think when Lethe gets out of the last couch at the end of their session? Inquiring minds want to know…
Levi's attack on Brockton is iconic but Joe spent so much of the early story worrying about the Simurgh that she seems to be the Endbringer he would most like to face. 🦃
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I assume it's not an option open to her. There's going to be correct ways of transferring or moving an employee but they take time, paperwork and need cooperation. And I'm sure there's simpler but less official ways that could be used when everyone else isn't breathing down Piggot's neck. But she has no allies, no support, and higher authority actively moving against her to make sure things go smoothly with the Celestial Forge/Garment.
Director Castillo stated he couldn't recall Gully:
Dragon warned Piggot she had very limited options:
As PR goes it looks really bad denying a group of people treatment when all other efforts have failed and this one seems to work.
Worse case is that the Protectorate loses all it's Case 53 members.
I could see as soon as the crisis ends they'll do a 'investigation' into her and offer her 'retirement.'
I mean he had positive interactions with other Directors, so it's clearly going to be that only Piggot is problem not the PRT as a whole.
The post I was replying to was speaking specifically of Piggot's replacement and them being very friendly. I was merely pointing out that neutral is literally a huge jump up from Piggot's current state of mind.
Not likely, they have to blame someone for everything happening in the city so unless she finds a really good scapegoat they are going to throw the book at her.
Could anybody help me I am looking for name divine craftsmanship perk Joe learned from Fea and it's jump of origin
I can't find in Brockton's Celestial Forge Reference
Never mind I was searching for wrong key word
I can't find in Brockton's Celestial Forge Reference
Never mind I was searching for wrong key word
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Sadly, even neutral may be asking for too much. Piggot's canon successors were...Thomas Calvert and James Tagg. And even if Apeiron has derailed the plot enough that they are no longer the first picks, Alexandria is the one dealing with Apeiron now, and her canon decisions were...questionable, to put it mildly.
But the Celestial Forge are not teen warlords. Alexandria won't try the same tactics that she did on the Undersiders. She can't bully them since they have the force advantage.
I mean, technically, so did Skitter: remember, the PRT didn't capture Skitter in canon, she walked into the PRT HQ and surrendered. And, the reason they didn't capture her is that, when they burst into Arcadia, outed her Secret Identity, and tried to arrest her in front of half the school? The students backed her. The Undersiders had already won the battle for "hearts and minds". Even after breaking their own rules, the PRT and Protectorate still lost and had to back down.
Alexandria is just a blind control freak. The Undersiders had perfectly fulfilled the goal of Project Terminus (by taking Cauldron's personal piece — Coil — off the board in a decisive manner), and were actively working to better the bay: security, supplies — even Tattletale's portal. Skitter, a human without physical boosts or enhancements, had co-ordinated the battle against Echidna; had taken out the Teeth and nullified the Butcher; had driven the Slaughterhouse Nine out of the city; had even fought against and distracted/delayed Leviathan (with help from Bitch's dogs and Armsmaster's Nanothorn blade) for long enough for Scion to arrive, after Armsmaster was taken out of the fight.
Every objective or guideline that Alexandria professed to follow or believe in (not just the Official PRT/Protectorate ones, but the secret Cauldron ones too) ruled against the tactics she decided on, and should have been going for soft-sell recruitment. But Becky was butt-hurt, so she felt the need to push. No logic involved, but plenty of illegal behaviour.
So, yeah. There's a good chance she might still try exactly the same shit against the Celestial Forge.
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Re read the Chubster interlude to see Alexandria's take on the Forge.
Yeah, she spends the whole of "Interlude Chubster" and "Interlude Cothran" carefully framing Apeiron and the Celestial Forge as powerful-but-unstable.
Exactly the same way that she framed Skitter and the Undersiders.
And then she uses the Butcher's presence as a way to sweep all CF-related activity directly under the command of Alexandria and Director Costa-Brown, while priming the Critical Situation Roster to come down on the Forge like a sack of bricks at her slightest say-so.
And you can't even point at her warnings about Lethe as urging caution, because… Imp was a known member of the Undersiders.
If Alexandria thinks she has a chance to strong-arm the Celestial Forge, she's probably going to take it. She spent two interludes setting up the hammer, and you're acting as though she'll never let it fall?
If the hammer does fall? Apeiron will reach out, grab it, and turn it into a completely different hammer with massively upgraded specs. It's just what he does.
Seriously though, if Becky does do anything monumentally stupid, the entire Forge will answer, and if she's lucky, she'll survive with her life intact, and it'll just be her dignity that suffers. If Lethe takes particular umbrage at Becky, the world might collectively forget who Alexandria is, and in the process conveniently forget they were ever supposed to be doing something about CF. Survey would turn up all of Cauldron's secrets, including secrets of every member. Apeiron could create shard power suppression tech, and collar all of them. It just wouldn't go well for Becky and company, and leave it at that.
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The entire point of that interlude was to show the emergency responce team that the CF was both strong and stable, directly saying that the team was stable even. The problem was that everything surrounding them was unstable, AKA Brockton Bay.
As far as they are aware, the CF will not do anything unless provoked, which last chapter actually showed they REALLY don't want to do, even by doing something they aren't entirely sure may provoke them (Garment).
What the emergency team was preparing for was anyone else messing things up and making another Ungodly Hour happen when BB is barely recovering.
And do you know why Lex was being an ass to Taylor? Cripling control issues. But you know what else? Taylor and the Undies being terroristswho wanted to be given control over BB. And do you know what else? The Thinker who can't help but say stuff she shouldn't have talking about Cauldron and making a portal to an unknown Earth.
Sure, Cauldron wanted to know if it was tenable for a society to exist under Parahuman rule. But it was for after the current society collapsed, not while it was still working!
And now I will make everything I said irrevelant by saying this: Tagg was freaking right. His only mistake was believing that a Thinker wouldn't screw him over, purposely (Dinah) or not (Alexandria).
Did Becky do all that shit with the undersiders because she believed it to be the moral choice or just cuz she follows whatever path The Contessa set for her?
That isn't being more powerful that's having more support. At no point did Alexandria think Skitter could remove cities, fuck with powers, delpoy multiple global range stranger effects, portals that are seemingly as precise and far ranging enough to allow a striker effect to be applied to hundreds of people a city away or any of Apeirion's feats.
That's not even mentioning the difference in their teammates. Her teams primary thinker didn't shut down an entire team of capes with a gesture. Her team didn't have a teleporting cat of war. Depending on if Cauldron was paying attention when Fleet did his demo they know he has city wide weather control. Hell the one team member they have that's the same person has had all her weaknesses removed and is the most feared stranger on the planet now.
No matter how you slice it you can't assume that Alexandria will treat Warlord Skitter and Apeiron the same, Lord is way too good of a writer for that.
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Not to say she won't do something dumb though, she is a Thinker after all
She will probably treat him under the asumption that he will do nothing unless she does something to make him confrontational, and as far as she knows that includes BB, the Undies, and his team. Also that he seems to like to give gifts to people who treat him well, so some cordiality is to be expected. Hell, it may not even be her who approaches him, IIRC it was said before that both her and Eidolon were kinda aweful when it came to socializing, so she may just send a profesional negotiator instead.
But I will insist that Eidolon trying to ask Joe to restore his power will be amazing, just for the sheer social awkwardness the both of them have!
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You know its been so long since I read this part I cant even remember how exactly he called out Talor on her bullshit but given that they tried to strongarm Taylor with threating her team including some random bodies (iirc I dont think it was ever said that it was bad timing on them being delivered to PRT HQ) I kinda couldnt take Tagg's side by default. Solely because he was a massive asshole (minor issue) and a moron of highest order (major issue).
I mean, did they forget Skitter's track record? Its Fight or Flight, and every goddamn time this maniac chose Fight - against Lung on her fucking first night, against Bakuda, against Empire, against motherfucking Leviathan, against Slaughterhouse 9, against Coil, against Butcher, against Fallen, against Echidna... Like, this girl is clearly suicidal and has ALL her screws lose, you dont have to be a thinker to realize that "Huh, may be trying to threaten unstable wannabe villain warlord could blow up in our faces? Nah, its fine, I'd win" (Narrator: they did not, in fact, win). I would've taken PRT side in a heartbeat if their plan wasnt worthless at best and suicidal at worst.
So that's why Piggot was sticking her neck out so far to demonize them.
It wasn't bad timing it was Alexandria going if you don't fold I'll kill one of your friends then going off for a while and coming back with a body bag and telling Tayor how she'd killed whichever one of them she was claiming to have and they wanted her to snap Tagg had already declared himself to be the no truce with the enemy pitbull who would march his troops through a meatgrinder without hesitation if it meant winning. Like at Arcadia they wanted Taylor to snap and atk them so they could justify birdcaging her tho really given how corrupt they were the real surprise is that they didn't just do it.
It's also worth pointing out how disgustingly petty they were being since on top of outright making up crimes she didn't do they were charging her with literally everything they could including using her powers on Lung and his mooks the first night, the storage yard and in the anti ABB truce despite them still not acknowledging the first and last had happened and continuing to steal the credit for it.
I'd still 90% convinced that was a Contessa plot. That stone hits too many birds to be anything but her or Ziz.
1. Parahuman feudalism experiment.
2. Reduces spillage of "Alexandria was Costa-Brown" issues.
3. Reduces severity of Cauldron reveal. Yeah, the "Alexandria and the notorious RCB stepping down at the same time" bit was odd, but clearly it was because she was a Ziz bomb not because of any shadowy connections. It's just too bad she pulled the others into it, but what can you expect of a Ziz bomb?
4. Gets Taylor out of town, training herself and others.
5. I wouldn't be surprised if Tagg's death was required, because he was too hard to bend enough once the full reveal was made.
6. Might be responsible for the Dragon's Teeth, as 'agents in suits' would have been a good counter for 'Shaker in building'.
Yes, but will they be helping or HALPING?
Probably not until the crisis ends. So Piggot has some time left.
Yeah for people desperate for any little tidbits to help their cause they'll do whatever it takes. All they'll know(if Gully reveals it) is that Apeiron appreciates Gully's work and there's a queue system where you can get bumped up. And most importantly the so called cure is way better than expected.