Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)

How does it being magic prevents Avoidance from working on Sting?

For the purpose of this story, Lord decided to apply a magic - parahuman equivalence. In short, parahuman powers (and similar abilities) are treated as if they were magic by Joe's abilities. This was originally intended to give magitech perks something to play with, but as a side effect it also means Joe can't trivialize parahumans as soon as he get his first magic power.

Also Lord basically said Sting is the unstoppable attack meant to pierce any defense. Avoidance and Sting being both magic means every property of Sting will apply, including the defense-piercing, so Avoidance can't defend against it.

That being said, Joe is immune to physical damage due to a perk combo, so it's not like he's threatened by Sting.

EDIT: quotes from Lord :

Sting is mainly useful in its status as the final word in offense. There's nothing in Worm that could stand against it, while the other annihilator type effects Joe has are something of a mixed bag. Some ultimate defenses might be able to hold out or at least diminish the effect, but Sting effectively punches through everything.

One of the things that makes Sting so dangerous is the ability to selectively ignore effects. Lilly can basically decide what she want's to be able to affect sting when she deploys it. If you find a hard counter for her attack (like Gray Boy's fields) she can just exclude it with her next shot. Likewise, anything helpful she can decide to include in her effects. If you did have a Butcher Flechette she could decide to allow Butcher XIV's space warping power to affect she shots, effectively guiding them wherever she wanted them to go. At that point it's basically instant death for anyone who can't get out of range.

The defensive properties of Joe's semblance are VERY strong. If an attack isn't able to punch through Scion's avatar to his real body it's not going to do anything to Avoidance.

...too bad, Sting "punch through Scion's avatar to his real body" in Worm :whistle:
 
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Fleet remember the road
He kinda grew up on the road. Can we consider it to be some childhood core memories? Like, when we remember some simple stuff from the past and they just feel good? I'm not surprised that his semblance literaly is: "There's no path, the path is made by walking". - don't remember, who said this though. 😅​
 
Can't wait for Fleet and Survey to end up on a mission together, start bickering like the siblings they are, then have Dadpeiron show up and bring them back on task.
Of course during this time they have been effortlessly holding the line/fighting some "powerful" parahuman(s) even while seemingly distracted….

Also does this make Tybalt the uncle?
 
Because of Lord's ruling regarding Magic and Shard stuff. More or less, Lord has decided to make it such that the Forge treats Shard powers/abilities as a form of Magic. Therefore, Magic and Shard stuff can interact. Because Sting is the "Pierce all" Shard effect, it gets to "No U" magic powers that act as a defence. If Semblances were not magic and instead Psionics/Spiritual stuff, Avoidance would've been able to No U the No U, but because it's magic/based in magic, Semblances can't directly override annihilator effects. However, Semblances like Joe's can work on other, non-annihilator powers, as seen with Victor during the Summit.
Oh, understood. Thanks!

For the purpose of this story, Lord decided to apply a magic - parahuman equivalence. In short, parahuman powers (and similar abilities) are treated as if they were magic by Joe's abilities. This was originally intended to give magitech perks something to play with, but as a side effect it also means Joe can't trivialize parahumans as soon as he get his first magic power.


Also Lord basically said Sting is the unstoppable attack meant to pierce any defense. Avoidance and Sting being both magic means every property of Sting will apply, including the defense-piercing, so Avoidance can't defend against it.


That being said, Joe is immune to physical damage due to a perk combo, so it's not like he's threatened by Sting.


EDIT: quotes from Lord :








...too bad, Sting "punch through Scion's avatar to his real body" in Worm

Thanks! *Thumbs up*
 
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Rachel accidentally reinforcing the cycle of abuse she dealt with, and Fleet helping her see that (while debunking the 'alpha' mindset Rachel's power was written around) and give her to choice to change her path forward is a very nice touch.
 
So here's a fun thought: imagine how breathtakingly bullshit things become when Joe uses Simple Scientific Solutions ... buffed by all of his other stuff. I'm imagining an eggbeater where instead of spinning metal whisks it's spiraling motes of light ... only on closer inspection you realize it's actually a spatially folded full size galaxy rotating via carefully modulated time alteration. And of course in the process its skimming gasses off the stars to and planets to make artisanal bubbles, each of exactly the right gas mix for its position in the whipped egg
 
Oh, extra thought:

Is Fleet actually being the first person to petition to bring someone into the Warehouse itself, with talk of their next date involving wolves? I'm pretty sure the wildlife in the Personal Reality upgrades can't leave the warehouse.
 
Especially not the two dogs fully grow from her power keeping a cautious distance.
grown
"We should probably go." Rachel said as she kneaded Brutus's neck
missing period
Brutus knew the way. The other dogs could hear their approach and started parking, pressing against the fens around the unfinished building she had claimed.
started barking? against the fences?
"Yes." She said, "I look after them.
missing"
 
Man, someone needs to put Fleet in a room with Contessa so that he can break down the facts of life for her. I feel like he would take one look at her Path to Victory and tell her that there's only so far you can go without making a real choice. In a lot of ways, it's the antithesis of his Road. She has no clue how to get to where she's going, or why she does things, or what the cost will be, and she just... does it on autopilot.
 
Apeiron best Not-Dad confirmed.
All the talk of alphas being parents and when Fleet showed up in the middle of the fight every single cape in the Teeth, Merchants and Empire all went "Oh Shit, Dad's here!"

After spending a couple days pondering upon the benefits of having a good Alpha...

Rachel [to Apeiron]: I want you to be my dad.

Brian: What!?

Alec: As in DILF? Survey, do you call Apeiron daddy?

Survey: Objectively speaking...

Alec: The mandatory heels and spandex suddenly make more sense.
 
So how does this family tree go?
Joe - Dad, wants everyone to be the best them they can be
Garment - Mom, wants to show everyone off
Fleet - firstborn son, knows exactly what he wants and how to get there
Survey - the Middle Child, eager to impress but doesn't understand everyone is already impressed
Matrix - the Artsy child, not really into the family business but likes helping out anyway
Tetra - the youngest, all manic energy and certainty that everything will be okay because daddy is the best
Aisha - the neighbour kid, perpetually worried about wearing out her welcome when she's already practically adopted
Tybalt - uncle just back from deployment, seen it all and done most of it
Kerbals - the local scout troop, if they were all the Nuclear Boy Scout.
 
Her watch had shown her the videos from that afternoon. It hadn't been Fleet, just Survey and the cat, but everyone had been able to see that dynamic. To Joe's team, that fight between the Empire and the Teeth was like watching a bunch of puppies play fighting, and about as difficult for them to stop.

Apathy seems to be an excellent defense to Tybalt's Stranger power. She doesn't judge him for being a cat, so she can acknowledge that he's a cat.

Kataklyzein didn't really have anything that stood out, but Joe had said he was strong enough to handle Lung on his own.

It still affects her, but it doesn't actually do much.


"Isn't that what an alpha is?" She asked. "Someone has to be in charge to make sure things get done. It's how packs work."

"No."

Fleet spoke with such direct and simple confidence that it took Rachel a moment to register what he had said. But there was no challenge in his tone, just absolute certainty. Just like when he had explained things about riding form or navigating buildings. Like he saw it as a chance for her to learn, rather than a way to point out how stupid she was.

"What do you mean?" She asked. "Everyone knows that's how packs work."

"Everyone's wrong. Just because lots of people believe something it doesn't mean it's right." He said.

Rachel could definitely understand that. She didn't see how it applied to this, but she could definitely understand everyone being wrong. She forced herself to nod and Fleet continued.

"Someone studied captive wolves in a zoo and described how they behaved. Rudolf Schenkel, nineteen forty-seven." He added.

Excellent use of injecting the more positive real life reality into Wildbow's grimdark bullshit. And yes, Rachel's mentality is obviously the same as a caged canine, because trigger. So let's go fix that. And there ain't many people more eager to fix the conditions of abuse than victims who've endured it.

Then there was a roar of sound that might have made her jump and fall off the roof if she hadn't had Brutus to hold onto. She spun towards the north end of the city where it looked like an entire city block was rising into the air.

"What the fuck?" She exclaimed. The huge structure looked ramshackle, at least what she could see though the darkness. She could see exposed and twisted metal spread across the wide platform. Some parts were sending jets of flame towards the ground while others were glowing with neon lights.

There was a lurch and a roar of engines as the entire structure began to drift across the city.

...Aaand Squealer's built a U.F.O. in the style of District 9. Never seen that before in a fanfic. She's turned the Merchant party zone into a ripoff of the Rig, by building underground.


Rather than use any of the complicated fields that Skidmark had been setting up, a blob of wet looking material began to sag from the bottom of the platform. It slowly separated from the flying structure and dropped straight down, landing on one of the more active points between the Empire and the Teeth. Tons of what looked like wet garbage plunged onto the cluster of Teeth forces and swept the fighters away. The mass reformed into a giant shambling mound of trash that parted as Mush released a man in bulky metal armor and a boy with glowing hair and eyes. Trainwreck and Scrub.

Oh, right. I'd forgotten that the Merchants have gotten big. Their entire canon roster all at once, plus Slush. Seven capes, most of them shakers, blasters, brutes and tinkers. Even druggies can fight if it comes down to MMORPG mechanics.

"Seeing the present and considering the future." He explained, gesturing to the chaos of the fight. "Or considering a specific future. In any system you have components, responses, and results. Technically there are unlimited results, but only so many paths make sense. The more you know, the better you can understand the landscape and the paths people will take. You have to know what to focus on and what to ignore."

Quatre Raberba Winner and Heero Yui can tell you all about that.


And now for a bit of spectacle:

"You can't get through." She said, "There's no way."

She watched him grow tense as he focused on the fight. In the dark of the night and the mix of lighting from Squealer's platform and the clash of powers he stood out clearly. It almost looked like there was a blue glow outlining his body.

Biotics? Yes, but also something more. Bind the body to the open mind...

And Fleet MOVED. Blue light flared around him and he was gone, but also not gone. The air where he had been standing was bent, like looking through a curved piece of glass. It was warped and skewed and hard to look at, but through the effect she could see Fleet grab Scrub's hand. It shifted things just enough to send the flung sparks of his power off target. They launched up into the air, with one passing close enough to nearly graze the Butcher's mask.

Rachel struggled to see through the effect that apparently put their rooftop right next to the heart of the battle. From one angle it looked big enough to drive a truck through, but from the other it was nothing but a distorted stretch in the air. It was some kind of bent passage that had bypassed all the chaos between them and Scrub, letting Fleet step right next to the Merchant cape despite there not being anywhere close to enough space for his arrival.

Fleet used Biotic Charge! But with Aura! Bypass - Simplicity is versatility.

And it was in the possession of someone who had been on a tremendous amount of drugs. Those scans had included medical information and it was clear Scrub had been on a Merchant fueled bender that seemed to extend all the way back to the Ungodly Hour. No one would be comfortable leaving a power like that in the hands of someone in that state.

So Fleet hadn't. That was something that could have been seen as more questionable, but I was ready to accept Fleet's call on the matter. And the Matrix's.

I didn't expect some of my A.I.s to team up and decide to induce nanite assisted detox without considering informed consent on the part of the patient, but given the circumstances, I couldn't really fault their judgment on the matter.

Detoxing Scrub effectively means removing Skidmark's hold on him. Let's hope the Cussing Crackhead tries to stop his pet S-class Blaster from walking away.
 
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"I can make predictions based on information. More information makes it easier. Longer timeframes make it harder. It's like navigating through fog. More Less information can make it better, and you can only see so far."
Just like using a big bright light in a fog can blind you whereas a low-powered light allows you to see (a bit) farther.
At least I think this is what he was trying to say.
 
Wow. That chapter was spectacularly good.

Very often, when you have a super-powerful or super-intelligent character, it's far better to present them through they eyes of someone else. The super-brilliant Sherlock Holmes was shown through the eyes of the lesser Dr. Watson. It was magnificent watching just a single one of the Celestial Forge as seen through Rachel's eyes. You paint her as a deep and compelling character, insightful, despite her neurodivergence (to use the more modern phrasing). The most impressive aspect of Fleet is that he doesn't present as playing games or interested in the dominance or social fencing that is inevitably tied to human interactions. He has other interests, as does Rachel.

And the idea that she might flourish in a limited slice of Twitter interactions was fascinating as well.

This was eye-opening, and magnificently over powered, and romantically believable, and heartbreakingly hopeful, all at the same time.
 
Apathy seems to be an excellent defense to Tybalt's Stranger power. She doesn't judge him for being a cat, so she can acknowledge that he's a cat.
Everyone knows he's a cat; they don't care about it because why would they? His blending in power makes it so that people can't judge him based on him being a cat (Or hyperjudge him for being a cat because it is toggleable).
 
Everyone knows he's a cat; they don't care about it because why would they? His blending in power makes it so that people can't judge him based on him being a cat (Or hyperjudge him for being a cat because it is toggleable).
Yeah, the trick isn't noticing that he's a talking, superpowered cat, because that's obvious. The trick is remembering that talking cats are in any way unusual or even interesting.
The only individual that's come even close so far is Lisa's shard, which kept leaning on the "it's a cat, dammit!" button when Tybalt arrived at the pub, but Lisa didn't notice or understand the significance.
 
Yeah, the trick isn't noticing that he's a talking, superpowered cat, because that's obvious. The trick is remembering that talking cats are in any way unusual or even interesting.
The only individual that's come even close so far is Lisa's shard, which kept leaning on the "it's a cat, dammit!" button when Tybalt arrived at the pub, but Lisa didn't notice or understand the significance.
He also has Just Another Grunt that makes him underestimated and overlooked.
 
Hey, sudden thought; did they just detox Scrub, or did they make him immune to drugs? Because while the Forge knows what Overkill is, they also left it behind, long ago, because it wasn't impactful enough.
 
You know I never thought about it but in Joe's attempts at keeping Taylor safe, he painted the biggest target on her back possible.

I just find that really funny.
 
While that would also be cute I very much hope not.
Rachel + Fleet is very romantic and is a nice way in the story to acknowledge romance is happening but if the writer doesn't want to do details have it happen over on the side.

Aisha +Joe works great as mentor and student but romantically is very *very* ick.
Plus their interactions do much more to drive the central focus of plot.
Like, I agree with your point that the pedagogical styles are similar but also eew.
I meant to distinguish that Joe and Aisha's relationship wasn't romantic, only comparing the mentor student roles. I did not intend to give the same impression with Joe and Aisha. Guess it wasn't clear enough.
 
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