I had hoped/thought to see more resentment or anger from Amy, they basically imprisoned her for extremely flimsy reasons, many of which boil down to Piggot trying to manipulate the situation. Whatever technical legal justification they had doesn't change the literal actions and effect, yet Amy barely seems to care here.
Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)
- Thread starter LordRoustabout
- Start date
Part of that is that Amy doesn't know WTF is going on. If she knew about that Piggot has been doing, she'd be way more angry.
Levi hasn't been a threat to Joe for a while. It's the easiest endbringer to counter because it just has water stuff and physical atks while all the other canon ones are trickier even the trapping one of the twins because it has the power copying one as a guard which will be copying an unknown cape's powers. Joe has had his kit from the Weld rescue for a while so gear that fully functions in water, a potion that lets him breathe underwater and swords that allow people to control water. With all Joe's quality boosts and the fact that anyone can use these weapons Levi gets stuck with just physical combat where he can't hurt Joe it was also stated in wog that when rolled Tybalt could stalemate Levi naked and since then he's gotten aura, more perks, the slight boost the warehouse gives to people other than Joe now and all his Joe forged equipment.
He should be able too both because of the upgraded clone potion but also because of the super star wars robot fakes, if the bombing takes longer then expected he should be able to attend the event as joe while finishing up the bomb thing as aperion. A literally perfect alibi btw
- Pronouns
- He
Cracking the code is effectively the same as disarming the bomb.
And the code will soon be cracked.
Joe dismissed the Number Man as merely a banker for villains, not realizing he's :
- A friend of Jack Slash
- A founder member of the S9 (Harbinger), through he left the group
- A current member of Cauldron, the big bad (good ? it's complicated) shadowy conspiracy
Blame her jerkass mother.
The Shallow
Shallow, Yet Deep
- Location
- Your Universe
- Pronouns
- She/They
Yeah surprised that Joe's passenger didn't freak out when he got "numberman @ bank.com".
- Pronouns
- He
No, not at all. Assault was Madcap in a previous life, the villain that freed other villains before they ended up in the Birdcage. His last act as Madcap (when Battery caught him) was to keep himself out of the Birdcage by joining the good guys. Assault hate when people are being thrown in a cage, even a gilded one.
It's no surprise Assault want to help Amy. It's also why he come across as much more genuine than Battery.
I'm 99% sure WOG is that Oni lee is alive.
It's very possible :
- The Endbringer attack will happen earlier
- The Simurgh will be the one to attack
The Worm jumpdoc (that gave Armmaster tinker power to Joe) explicitly said that if you disrupt the world too much, then the Endbringers WILL break their patterns to deal with you. Lord would be absolutely justified in throwing an Endbringer at Joe, since he murdered the status quo like a beautiful butterfly of doom.
Last edited:
JoshuaSweetvale
Insectovore
- Location
- NL, 65 Million Years Ago
Atop a palace of bone and sinew, stands a throne of silicate and nerve tissue, upon which sits the New Ruler of Brockton Bay. At Her right hand stands Skitter, who commands Her swarm of bio-engineered soldier bugs. Below Her throne play and spar a pantheon of Brockton's broken teen capes, freed from their own chains and given bio-armor co-designed by a liberated Bonesaw. At the castle's base, the screaming faces of past tyrants are set into the wall, silently writhing in penance.
Fear the Shaper's wrath, Assault. She's already got the priest's treasure, and is spending only pennies to heal the sick.
Seriously though, Assault has survived enough cape politics to know chaining the angel tends to Monte Cristo into containment zones. He may even be trying to get spared, subconciously.
Last edited:
- Pronouns
- He
As usual the problem isn't direct attack (Joe is immune to those anyway), it's collateral damage. Brockton bay sit above a groundwater, meaning Levi can sink the city near instantly.
Nice reference, wonder how many people got it
Well it's not as though anything can be done to make him more helpful or less of a threat; he left the Nine, he's working on stabilizing/cultivating the economy, he's helping the cause most relevant to humanity surviving as much as he can with the best allies he could. If he was claiming to be a hero he could be blamed for not living up to that as much as he could but he doesn't so it's not like he's being a hypocrite like a lot of heroes are.
Thinking about it I'm surprised that Amy and Assault don't tend to have more interactions given that Amy is worried about doing the opposite of what Assault had done.
I wonder where he would have gotten medical attention or healing from.
Is Lord using the Worm Jump-Doc' here? I thought that he was just homebrewing a setting as close to canonical Worm as possible.
I would like to propose both that his Shard was trying to get him to buddy up to her and that this urging should be referred to as "Paraconsciously".Atop a palace of bone and sinew, stands a throne of silicate and nerve tissue, upon which sits the New Ruler of Brockton Bay. At Her right hand stands Skitter, who commands Her swarm of bio-engineered soldier bugs. Below Her throne play and spar a pantheon of Brockton's broken teen capes, freed from their own chains and given bio-armor co-designed by a liberated Bonesaw. At the castle's base, the screaming faces of past tyrants are set into the wall, silently writhing in penance.
Fear the Shaper's wrath, Assault. She's already got the priest's treasure, and is spending only pennies to heal the sick.
Seriously though, Assault has survived enough cape politics to know chaining the angel tends to Monte Cristo into containment zones. He may even be trying to get spared, subconciously.
- Pronouns
- He
An ABB clinic that was set up by March before the Ungodly hour, if memory serve me.
Every perk come directly from a jump-doc.
EDIT: this one. Miniaturization and Efficiency is technically a power rather than a perk (tinker (10) -> 1&2). It was priced at 400 CP because that's what it would have costed to directly select this specific power rather than rolling the dice.
Never mind, the part about an Enbringer ignoring the cycle is in a drawback (You Needed Worthy Opponents). But there is still this provision in the Outside Context Problem perk:
Contessa, Ziz, and Zion's precog doesn't seem to be able to pick you up, instead returning a zero-sum error whenever they try to force the issue. They won't notice this until you garner enough attention for them to try and then they might take further measures to see what the problem is.
Last edited:
The Shallow
Shallow, Yet Deep
- Location
- Your Universe
- Pronouns
- She/They
Oni Lee is currently brain-dead in a secretive ABB clinic in the current black-out zone IIRC.
For one, Joe's not currently in the Worm Jump, and that rule is not part of any of the perks he's gained; that rule doesn't apply I don't think. For two, I think given Apeiron & Dauntless we'll almost certainly get an Endbringer to the Bay, but I don't think it will be Ziz; she just attacked Canberra, and the Endbringers never go twice in a row. Behemoth would be an interesting alternative, possibly, but I don't imagine it being Ziz.
Cauldron is a massive threat; Joe's passenger reacted to this when they were brought up by Weld.
He got the address in chapter 30; only 4 chapters later.26 Correspondance said:
Though I will say, his passenger adjusts feelings based on how they perceive the danger to Joe, it seems. Joe didn't nearly fall when he heard about Contessa, but then again he had all his style & posing perks on max @ Somer's Rock.
58.2 Addendum Joe said:
Last edited:
- Pronouns
- He
Yeah.
But I'll use this opportunity to talk about one of my theory.
One of my theory about this story is that Joe's passenger is a Jumper that took Worm's Jump Shard origin/drawback. It would neatly explain his knowledge of the universe, his bias toward the Undersiders, and the jumpdoc even allow perk sharing with the host. The only problem with that theory is that the passenger should be allowed to talk to Joe by fiat, which is obviously not the case here.
The Shallow
Shallow, Yet Deep
- Location
- Your Universe
- Pronouns
- She/They
I feel like I've had the "Forge-chan is explicitly an ROB interested in seeing the full capabilities of the forge" debate multiple times.
I think I shall stay out of it this time.
The other problem is passenger's ignorance regarding perks synergies. If it is a Jumper, then it should not have been surprised by how well some perks play off each other, becouse it already had them all together.
Also, the fact that perks Joe receives are explicitly his, not just something passenger shares with him. His Trauma, his wand, his name on Strike Witches's bomber jacket, Spekkio mentioned his
Of course, it's easy to think up explanations to problems above (for example: Passenger knows nothing about synergies, becouse it always gets "perks out of current jump get sealed" drawbacks, so it never had all perks at the same time; and perks are Joe's becouse Joe is passenger) and all that, just saying that there is more than one problem to this theory.
So not quite able to get him back in the game within days then. Not unless March got something like a Bastard Son enhanced surgical-tool user or Transmutation Circle user with medical knowledge or something.
Hell maybe enough chunks of Lung will wash up and be collected for Leet to shove into Lee and give him regeneration and some mental pollution from Lung. Maybe after being salvaged from Blasto trying to make something out of them?
Yeah I know but is the setting from a Jump-Doc'.
All the more reason why he might end up turned into a Tinker project...Actually now I'm thinking about Bakuda making a Oni-Lee-clone bomb that just leaves a whole bunch of him everywhere. That or one that leaves a bunch of severed heads that explode instead of turning to ash, or rather turn to ash explosively, everywhere. Bakuda can't make devices that are usable more then once but bombs that make other bombs seem like they would be fair game. I'm just at a bit of a loss as to whether they would self-replicate by self-destructing or self-destruct after self-replicating....
Yeah but it's not like Numbers Man makes them that much more dangerous.
Well he did hear about her in the sense that she had just become less of a danger which probably took the edge off.
I thought it was the case that Joe was meta-jumping; he's the jumper but it's always his first time in every universe because he's living them out simultaneously, yet also in the order he gets the perks, with only a few enabling his memories to cross over.
Like I'm sure that somewhere out there is a very confused Joeformer that just met his first cat sometime in the middle of the Last War.
Like I'm sure that somewhere out there is a very confused Joeformer that just met his first cat sometime in the middle of the Last War.
So far Joe has done minimal disruption to the world at large, and has pretty well kept to himself in terms of power displays. Joe has been steadily building power, and when he makes his next debut, it's gonna be a beaut.
Dragon Break Jumpchain?
You may wanna turn on sharing for those if you want people to check them out.
The Shallow
Shallow, Yet Deep
- Location
- Your Universe
- Pronouns
- She/They
...This is kinda contradictory, but whatever. My point was that I found it interesting that Joe's passenger didn't react at all to the numberman, though then tbf Joe didn't decode the address at the time.
- Location
- United Kingdom
Quality must always come before quantity; rushing to get something out oft leaves you feeling like you've posted a lot of nothing, in my experience. Feel free to take all the time you need; heck, take a few weeks off now and then to start making "buffer" chapters in case the unexpected comes up on your calendar, if you like.
As a guy who just finished binging this last night (and thus most desperately in need of a fix, having mainlined it the last few days), let me 1000% agree with everyone in the thread in supporting your move to bi-weekly. Do what you gotta do for your sanity.
Yeah, I guess it depends on how you define "disruption to the world at large" - he's gone from trigger to "the guys who show up to Endbringer fights get an emergency briefing" in less than a month and in that time he caused Dragon, March, and the Teeth to relocate, and dropped a TON of info on powers/passengers on the world. But he hasn't taken over a city or really disrupted Cauldron or taken out a Class S Threat yet (soon....)
But in terms of "kept to himself in terms of power displays" it sounds like at least one and possibly both of his livestreamed fights went viral online.
I don't understand why Cauldron is a massive threat (new to the thread, my apologies if it's been covered) - Joe is generally aware that the source of the powers is a problem, and he's approaching the weight-class of "people who could plausibly wreck an Entity's day". In theory they should be able to reach a negotiated arrangement once someone tells him that Scion is the cause of the problems.
The reason why Cauldron wanted to keep the End of the World Prophecy (which may never happen here anyhow) on track was because the world was slowly collapsing and it wasn't clear that the world would be better off if Golden Morning happened in 2025 instead of 2013. But in a "Joe can punch out Endbringers, is Simurgh-immune, and is doing an uplift" world, you've got way better odds of tackling Scion. Heck, if Joe starts handing out the powers he can hand out, that's almost as good as vials - he can give the powers to potential heroes and there's no/less mental trauma. Only downside would be the similarities of the powers he can hand out.
Eidolon, on the other hand, probably wouldn't react well to that though.
Yeah, I guess it depends on how you define "disruption to the world at large" - he's gone from trigger to "the guys who show up to Endbringer fights get an emergency briefing" in less than a month and in that time he caused Dragon, March, and the Teeth to relocate, and dropped a TON of info on powers/passengers on the world. But he hasn't taken over a city or really disrupted Cauldron or taken out a Class S Threat yet (soon....)
But in terms of "kept to himself in terms of power displays" it sounds like at least one and possibly both of his livestreamed fights went viral online.
I don't understand why Cauldron is a massive threat (new to the thread, my apologies if it's been covered) - Joe is generally aware that the source of the powers is a problem, and he's approaching the weight-class of "people who could plausibly wreck an Entity's day". In theory they should be able to reach a negotiated arrangement once someone tells him that Scion is the cause of the problems.
The reason why Cauldron wanted to keep the End of the World Prophecy (which may never happen here anyhow) on track was because the world was slowly collapsing and it wasn't clear that the world would be better off if Golden Morning happened in 2025 instead of 2013. But in a "Joe can punch out Endbringers, is Simurgh-immune, and is doing an uplift" world, you've got way better odds of tackling Scion. Heck, if Joe starts handing out the powers he can hand out, that's almost as good as vials - he can give the powers to potential heroes and there's no/less mental trauma. Only downside would be the similarities of the powers he can hand out.
Eidolon, on the other hand, probably wouldn't react well to that though.
- Location
- Orlando, FL
Like for example, killing the S9 with one member having the [BROADCAST] Shard to tattle to all the other shards including the EB's about Apeiron being an Irregular.