Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)

The question is, if the Titan Factory makes Titans from blueprints, even if it has no resources to do that if Joe modified the plans to make Titans be made from Mithril/Cybertronium, with Mass Effect core and enough ordinance to level a country, would it still be able to produce them?

Also, if Joe would upgrade the Titans with the Cybertronium, would that mean that the Factory would make Cybertronians?!
We also got a hint at what Tetra wants to look like eventually.
Where? All I've seen is that she wants to be turned into Kamui, and we know that for like 20 chapters now.
 
Meh, EVERYONE in this city has now suffered severe traumatic events recently. And she's smart enough to pass with a 91% or so if she is able to repress standing out if someone warns her... Plus, the PRT has TOO MUCH SHIT to look into ANYTHING. Coil is the only one who would bother right now, really... Which is bad, but would also get the MC to finish the jerk off and hopefully save Dinah. Net positive, in my opinion.

But if the Teeth show up at her school or something and she suddenly puts on goth armor? That pretty much outs her right then and there.

//Then again, no one would remember it happening and... Sigh.
This is probably why Aisha is slated to remain undetected for at least month longer by outsiders. Brockton Bay ands its power blocs have been shaken up so bad that no one can devote any time and resources into investigating potential new Triggers outside of the obvious ones (like how Scrub had been discovered) that even if someone notices Aisha being too smart for her age and past capabilities, they wouldn't be able to do anything. And if they do, all Aisha has to do then is to turn on her power to erase their memories, both physical and digital, of her and then follow their tracks to remove the evidence with Joe's help so it doesn't happen again.

As of now, the only ones that could actually figure out Aisha's secret is her family, because 1) she has a stated dislike for using her own powers against them, unless absolutely necessary and 2) they have the best idea of how she was originally like before meeting Apeiron. And they have noticed some of it already - they just wrote it up to Aisha becoming more serious after the mugging and/or Aisha being starstruck after meeting Garment. But if she does test out of school with top grades, that will certainly raise red flags for Brian who knows what Trigger Events are like and would probably conclude that Aisha Triggered into a Thinker.

I can already imagine that Brian would become worried that Aisha would get into trouble without him looking after her and try to conscript her into joining the Undersiders where he (and Joe) could watch over her safety, only to be shocked that Joe beat him to the punch without even knowing it (and inadvertently making Aisha as a sort-of superior as a member of the Celestial Forge and all that implies considering the debt.)
 
The main point was that nobody from the summit had contacted me yet. Oh, there had been messages claiming to be from capes, some of which even looked like they might be legitimate, but with a lack of any details of the specific agreement and the ability to preternaturally track connections it was easy to see through even the most dedicated ruses. I mean, unless Skidmark actually operated out of a high-end split-level south of Downtown, I don't think it was actually him, despite the impressive vocabulary of profanity on display.
I'm probably being influenced by other fanfics, but I'm expecting this to actually be Skidmark.
 
But if she does test out of school with top grades, that will certainly raise red flags for Brian who knows what Trigger Events are like and would probably conclude that Aisha Triggered into a Thinker.

I can already imagine that Brian would become worried that Aisha would get into trouble without him looking after her and try to conscript her into joining the Undersiders where he (and Joe) could watch over her safety, only to be shocked that Joe beat him to the punch without even knowing it (and inadvertently making Aisha as a sort-of superior as a member of the Celestial Forge and all that implies considering the debt.)
You know it is actually funny and sad that if she shows such a change in her grades/intelligence that everyone would have to think that she Triggered as a Thinker. She did Trigger but all of her learning is being done by a teacher focusing mainly on her, with the skills to properly teach her, and the ability to do hours of school work in minutes.

But it would also hilarious if he did offer her a chance to join only for it to be revealed that she is Lethe of the Celestial Forge and that Aperion/Joe is actually teaching her in sciences including how to be a Tinker. Cue Tattletale/Lisa suffering from a blue screen of death at that revelation.
 
You know it is actually funny and sad that if she shows such a change in her grades/intelligence that everyone would have to think that she Triggered as a Thinker. She did Trigger but all of her learning is being done by a teacher focusing mainly on her, with the skills to properly teach her, and the ability to do hours of school work in minutes.
Joe's teaching absolutely foolproof though, if Aisha has honest to god condition that prevents her from learning properly at school (I have no idea if she has it or not, someone tell me) Apeiron's Tinker Bullshit Incorporated online lessons would be able to teach her anyway. Which can be a major red flag for PRT as some sort of master influence (because villains just love to ruin shit for others, THANK YOU TEACHER)
 
You know it is actually funny and sad that if she shows such a change in her grades/intelligence that everyone would have to think that she Triggered as a Thinker. She did Trigger but all of her learning is being done by a teacher focusing mainly on her, with the skills to properly teach her, and the ability to do hours of school work in minutes.

I doubt the PRT/Protectorate would be looking too hard at a random girl improving her grades.

I mean as far as an external viewpoint is concerned.

- She was hired by Garment who is lavishly paying her (new wardrobe probably worth more than her families salary)
- She is dressing better
- BB has gone through some serious shit in the past week

Chances are they would attribute the improved grades to
- Being forced indoors for safety + losing electricity means she may have been forced to study
- Increased wealth/improved social standing due to Garment's patronage
- May be she was being bullied as a black girl in Nazi Capital and her tormenter died or something.

Apeiron's Tinker Bullshit Incorporated online lessons would be able to teach her anyway. Which can be a major red flag for PRT as some sort of master influence (because villains just love to ruin shit for others, THANK YOU TEACHER)

Doubt that they would consider Apeiron teaching the daughter of a random BB civilian, his image is that of a mercenary who sticks hard to contracts.
 
. I had been able to manage interdictory points,
Typo- "introductory", I think?

Also, the possibility of creating tinker tech using alchemical transmutations.
So, about that "cluster trigger" and "material generating Shaker power" theory the PRT are working off...

"Okay, the best I can tell, in whatever society that these things come from, if someone is really, really good at their job and wants to keep doing it they do this thing where they preserve their skull and kind of freeze dry a few parts of their brain that are related to that. They switch out the rest with cybernetics, then kind of wire them into the system." I looked over the dozens of skulls. "There's some kind of security feature tied to having 'people' operating the systems, rather than machines. That's what they're here for."
I'm not... 100% sure that servo-skull-ification is always quite that voluntary, Joe.
 
Now I've a really funny image in my head about Joe deciding that the best way to deal with Ziz is to bring her down and deploys a titan from space like some kind of kinetic strike that impacts the fake angel and drags her down to the surface against her will. With Ziz screaming obscenities all the way down.
 
Doubt that they would consider Apeiron teaching the daughter of a random BB civilian, his image is that of a mercenary who sticks hard to contracts.
Well, if I remember WOG correctly the connection between Apeiron and Garment is rather obvious, right? Maybe the PRT will think that Garment's contract with Apeiron includes teaching her employees? We can't have her boutique employees be uneducated, no-no-no!
 
The question is, if the Titan Factory makes Titans from blueprints, even if it has no resources to do that if Joe modified the plans to make Titans be made from Mithril/Cybertronium, with Mass Effect core and enough ordinance to level a country, would it still be able to produce them?

Also, if Joe would upgrade the Titans with the Cybertronium, would that mean that the Factory would make Cybertronians?!
To take it further, what if Aperion triggers the 40K Titan knowlege perk? Would the factory start making skyscraper(?) sized titans every day?
 
You know it is actually funny and sad that if she shows such a change in her grades/intelligence that everyone would have to think that she Triggered as a Thinker. She did Trigger but all of her learning is being done by a teacher focusing mainly on her, with the skills to properly teach her, and the ability to do hours of school work in minutes.
To be fair, Joe's teaching skills literally applies to anyone. There was a recent WoG that he could even potentially teach animals, if they were sapient enough. If people think that Aisha's current intelligence is the result of superpowers, they would be right because only superpowers could teach so much in such a short period of time.

Make no mistake, I'm not saying that Aisha is not smart because she is. In canon, she figured out a lot of stuff that other people hadn't, like Taylor's emotional offloading into her bugs. In this fic, she took less than a day to figure out that not only was Joe a Parahuman, but also that he was Apeiron. And from there, it only took her even less time to figure out his sore spots and triggers, which says a lot about her emotional intelligence even if she had a firsthand view of his phone call with his sister.

It's just that they are multiple types of intelligences, and innate understanding of complex theory certainly wasn't hers until Joe gave her it through superpowers.
I'm not... 100% sure that servo-skull-ification is always quite that voluntary, Joe.
The ones in the Laboratorium are all volunteers, if I recall correctly, and Joe only has them as examples. Though I don't doubt that the possibility has struck him at some point and he's trying his best to ignore that fact to the best of his ability.
Now I've a really funny image in my head about Joe deciding that the best way to deal with Ziz is to bring her down and deploys a titan from space like some kind of kinetic strike that impacts the fake angel and drags her down to the surface against her will. With Ziz screaming obscenities all the way down.
Considering the planetary range of all shards, honestly the best way to disable the Simurgh would probably be to have something from outside low earth orbit crash into her and force her out of range to be immediately disabled.
 
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Considering the planetary range of all shards, honestly the best way to disable the Simurgh would probably be to have something from outside low earth orbit crash into her and force her out of range to be immediately disabled.

I think that's just for people's shards, and EB would laugh at that limitation. Kinda like the difference between users and mods and admins.
 
PRT totally will not look into it.

Like, I get the intention, but it's not a good idea in execution.
Except if people somehow forget about her right after grading her papers or when processing said papers (teacher A to teacher B: that's probably a planted test to root out corruption or something, just process it fairly, as if this person exists). Or if any potential report somehow does not reach PRT.

P.S.
Dragon: Aisha Laborn is a cape
Piggot: Contact her family, I want her in wards
Dragon: Potential problem with that. Her brother's fishy income and schedule patterns indicate that he is a cape as well. An active one.
Piggot: And what about their father?
Dragon: Potential ties with Garment Gloves, owns the gym where Garment was first introduced at and Aisha works for Garment Gloves, Mr. Laborn delivered Aisha to Garment Gloves himself.
Piggot: Ugh...
Assault: So he chose to align his daughter with a friendly nearby rogue that helped but otherwise not interested in combat over distant and apparently ineffective Protectorate that throws children at villains. Can't say that I blame him.
Armsmaster: You are jumping to conclusion. There is a chance that Mr. Laborn was not aware of what's going on.
Assault: Do you believe that a teenage parahuman started to work for a rogue by pure chance of finding work?
Armsmaster: No...
Assault: Do you believe that action seeking, troublemaking teenage parahuman joined a non-combatant cape of her own volition?
Armsmaster: No...
Assault: In other words some authoritive figure in girl's life made that decision. Only one figure in her circle is known to be in contact with Garment.
Piggot: And even if it somehow wasn't girl's father, Mr. Laborn is more likely to support an already established arrangement and will be unhappy about additional attention.
 
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Things Aperion Will no Longer be Involved With Part 5 (dragon_cloud16)
Joe's teaching absolutely foolproof though, if Aisha has honest to god condition that prevents her from learning properly at school (I have no idea if she has it or not, someone tell me) Apeiron's Tinker Bullshit Incorporated online lessons would be able to teach her anyway. Which can be a major red flag for PRT as some sort of master influence (because villains just love to ruin shit for others, THANK YOU TEACHER)
I believe it was stated by Wildbow and has been implied in canon that Aisha suffers from ADHD, or Attention Deficit Hyperactive Disorder.

That can make learning difficult along with at times normal life. I myself have it leading to a tendency to have a few pens around to twirl and losing focus when doing tests when I attended college.

And readerdreamer, I will admit to wanting to put a focus on grades which sadly is something a lot of people tend to focus on when it comes to education in our society. After all, why would a genius work at the local Deli when they could be churrning out experiments to improve your life? Or work in a small town garage despite enjoying working on cars?And now for something completely different.

Things Aperion Will no Longer be Involved With Part 5​

  1. Just because I have made Scion a Everlasting Gobstopper does not make me the new Willy Wonka.
  2. Due to the fact that the Celestial Forge Lab now includes a chocolate river and waterfall in a confection lab does not mean anyone can go swimming inside it.
  3. Dinah Alcott is still not allowed into the labs.
  4. We will now begin to swap out our weekly game of Mecha Basketball for Mecha Soccer due access of the new "Titans" class being available with AI assistance.
  5. Due to the listings of potential members to join include angels does not mean we are adding the Simurgh to the Celestial Forge. I will admit to having the technology and capability to make a angelic member already.
  6. This is not confirmation though that we include multiple S Class threats as members.
  7. There is currently no contract agreeing on me dating Faultline aid in Labyrinth's recovery.
  8. Just because I have access to the knowledge to make Nuclear Fission batteries does not mean I am going to construct some to power video game controllers.
  9. My personal tv with IMAX capability is not to be used for a Street Fighter Tournament being held by Survey.
  10. Nor am I selling my services to act as a personal chef for a day. Even if it is for the United Nations.
  11. Despite the CUI's latest attempt to capture me, I will not launch a counter strike against them along with allowing any member to do so.
  12. I will however release the identities of their agents in the world that they have currently acting in their name.
  13. I will admit to currently teaching Lethe my knowledge set and skills which include similarities to Armsmaster's technology as a Tinker.
  14. I am not available though to act as a teacher for the city of Brockton Bay.
  15. Lethe, why are these lists being published onto PHO? We are going to have a discussion involving posting things that you shouldn't.
 
I think that's just for people's shards, and EB would laugh at that limitation. Kinda like the difference between users and mods and admins.
The thing is, Endbringers don't actually have "mod" or "admin" permissions. They're closer to power expressions that have gone out of control, even in Ward where the Simurgh continued to follow Eidolon's unconscious "cause conflict" instructions way after his death, all the way into her own destruction by Sleeper.

They're ungodly powerful true, but they should have the same limitations as all shards do. This should be especially true for the Simurgh, as she has no senses outside of postcog/precog, and said precog/postcog only functions within the planetary range.
And readerdreamer, I will admit to wanting to put a focus on grades which sadly is something a lot of people tend to focus on when it comes to education in our society. After all, why would a genius work at the local Deli when they could be churrning out experiments to improve your life? Or work in a small town garage despite enjoying working on cars?
Again, I don't doubt that Aisha is very smart, I put all those examples there for a reason. As far as EQ goes, Aisha was already a genius even before Joe came along. But current studies in intelligence have really shown that as people, we all do have our proficiencies and there is no shame in lacking in some things because that is only because the human mind has limits and nobody could be talented in everything.

Hence, superpowers being a valid explanation for a preteen suddenly having better theoretical and practical knowledge compared to someone with more PhDs than she has years of age.
 
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So, I have no idea if it's been address already, but there is a Fanficion on Spacebattles called :Flowers for Apperion. I just wanted to point it out, because I am not sure if the guy who made it even asked for permission.

Heck, in the description he openly admits that he had tried posting it here but 'wasn't allowed'.

There's already a Staff Post in the thread that says 'This Story doesn't break any if our rules', which sounds bullshit to me.
 
Being beaten over the head with the "Parian visiting Garment" stuff so much that any sort of interactions/drama is just gonna fall flat. Even worse knowing that Parian drama is going to push back handling family drama, which will push back the tinkering, which will push back leaving his workshop.


I'll go ahead and call it that he strategy trances some 900CP mega-power the millisecond she lays eyes on him in the shop, immediately outing him as Apeiron.


Also at least Joe realized thinking about something 5 months out is stupid. In 5 months my time he won't even have left the lab to go deal with the Butcher from this upcoming round of tinkering.
 
I doubt the PRT/Protectorate would be looking too hard at a random girl improving her grades.

I mean as far as an external viewpoint is concerned.

- She was hired by Garment who is lavishly paying her (new wardrobe probably worth more than her families salary)
- She is dressing better
- BB has gone through some serious shit in the past week

Chances are they would attribute the improved grades to
- Being forced indoors for safety + losing electricity means she may have been forced to study
- Increased wealth/improved social standing due to Garment's patronage
- May be she was being bullied as a black girl in Nazi Capital and her tormenter died or something.



Doubt that they would consider Apeiron teaching the daughter of a random BB civilian, his image is that of a mercenary who sticks hard to contracts.

1. Garment is suspected to be associated with Apeiron, her employees would be under suspicion as well (so what is Aisha doesnt look like anyone from CF? Changers, armor, Strangers, Apeiron Bullshit exist)
2. PRT already managed to bypass Tybalt's stranger effect (they got it wrong, but bypassed it nonetheless) and deciphered what Aisha's Stranger power does. If they look into Aisha only for them to suddenly lose focus and snap at it right back, it's dead giveaway. PRT, albeit a bit unlikely, absolutely can find out that she is Lethe
 
So, I have no idea if it's been address already, but there is a Fanficion on Spacebattles called :Flowers for Apperion. I just wanted to point it out, because I am not sure if the guy who made it even asked for permission.

Heck, in the description he openly admits that he had tried posting it here but 'wasn't allowed'.

There's already a Staff Post in the thread that says 'This Story doesn't break any if our rules', which sounds bullshit to me.
Hm, recursive fanfiction is nothing new for the Worm fandom though? Like the famous Internship fic that gave birth to multiple other fics.
2. PRT already managed to bypass Tybalt's stranger effect (they got it wrong, but bypassed it nonetheless) and deciphered what Aisha's Stranger power does. If they look into Aisha only for them to suddenly lose focus and snap at it right back, it's dead giveaway. PRT, albeit a bit unlikely, absolutely can find out that she is Lethe
The thing is, they haven't actually bypassed Tybalt's stranger effect - if anything, it is still so strong that they've concluded that being unaffected by it is the Stranger effect, and they remain nowhere close to figuring out the real effect. As for Aisha, it's also only as far as her passive erasure goes - with her hairpin and armor, she could do way more than temporarily making people forget - she could potentially learn to make it stick and erase all hope of them making any records about her.

Which says quite a lot when they are already putting the both of them so high on the Stranger power level, but like with everything related to Apeiron, they're still underselling the both of them.
 
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Hm, recursive fanfiction is nothing new for the Worm fandom though? Like the famous Internship fic that gave birth to multiple other fics.
Eh, the story is more or less, "What if Apeiron got super Intelligence, said fuck empathy and became a Sociopath with Spcebattles Competence." So exactly what you'd expect from the sort of person who complains about BCF's "Lack of plot".
 
Eh, the story is more or less, "What if Apeiron got super Intelligence, said fuck empathy and became a Sociopath with Spcebattles Competence." So exactly what you'd expect from the sort of person who complains about BCF's "Lack of plot".
It's still the same thing? Just because it's recursive doesn't mean it has to be well-written, that's why "90% of all fanfic is trash" is such a meme.
 
I like Aisha in this story. She's a Straight Man character but not quite and I think that's a good balance to have.
I am curious whether the upgraded main computer will finally be enough to solve Bakuda's encryption.

Unfortunately, there are no Destiny perks in Lord's version of the CF.
Even if Lord wasn't excluding Destiny the perk from Destiny in the V1 forge is a free perk: "Pure art(free all) The visual arts may not be your thing, but that doesn't mean you can't be good at it. With this, you will be able to adorn any object you possess with paint or some other kind of marker and make it look good. You can paint armor, vehicles and weapons. Depending on what you portray, it could evoke different emotions. From fear to inspiration. You must have some skill at drawing or painting, and something to draw or paint with." I'm not sure how that would mesh with the way he's doing rolls.

Is there a Human database from the golden age of technology as part of the celestial forge?
The closest perk to that is the Plecian Tome
The Pleician Tome is a portable font of certain archives, templates and pieces of ancient lore, created by a senior Tech-priest of the Adeptus Mechanicus and used by Techmarines. Even to a trained eye, the information is a seemingly random collection, with no easy means of navigation, and so it takes much study to glean anything relevant to a particular task. Indeed, only those with a wide knowledge of Machine Spirits and engine lore have any hope of understanding the information contained within, however, those with patience and the appropriate skills can find secrets of great use within the datacore, secrets dating back to the fabled Dark Age of Technology.

To take it further, what if Aperion triggers the 40K Titan knowlege perk? Would the factory start making skyscraper(?) sized titans every day?
I don't think there is a perk like that in the forge, and I'm pretty familiar with what perks exist.

Eh, the story is more or less, "What if Apeiron got super Intelligence, said fuck empathy and became a Sociopath with Spcebattles Competence." So exactly what you'd expect from the sort of person who complains about BCF's "Lack of plot".
I don't think that's entirely fair. Plenty of the people who critique the lack of plot are skilled authors who write flawed characters. Let's not paint with a broad brush.

Rolls:
Magic (400): There was a 1/3 chance to roll Synchronicity Event. Joe has come so close so many times and yet hasn't quite managed it.
Alchemy (500): A 1/6 chance at the long-anticipated mixing mixtures. Again it would be cool if Joe got it but it wasn't to be this chapter.
Vehicles (600-100): Joe was guaranteed to roll one of the five clusters in this constellation. Titan Engineering as a small mote is arguably the least impressive but it does come with some interesting implications as discussed in the chapter. Considering the four 600 point perks he could have rolled instead, it is a bit disappointing. I'm personally most familiar with the Star Wars tech base so I would have been most excited by that but a solid grounding in Metal Gear Solid, GI Joe, or Captain Harlock would all be quite powerful.
Knowledge (600-400): And a roll in what is now the second-largest constellation. In addition to the Star Trek, Titanfall, and 40k perks I've mentioned several times before, Joe had a chance to roll the complete tech base of fallout, the halo perk that makes you an equal of Halsey and comes with a 'small' space ship, the ability to make Espers from Raildex Science, a professorship from Futurama, an understanding of Symphogears with free bonus symphogear, a retro-engineering power from the Marvel Cinematic Universe, a full understanding of the Terran tech base from Starcraft, psychic powers from Full Metal Panic, and last but certainly not least a reverse engineering power based on Stargate SG-1 that sets Joe on the path to creating Stargates. Ultimately 15/16 clusters were available so it was nearly guaranteed Joe would get something. Technician appears to be one of the less immediately impactful perks possible especially since it doesn't seem to come with Alpha Centauri's tech tree. Still, I expect it'll have impacts down the line Lord is good about that.
 
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