This is probably the one time I've found Strip's use of tropes egregious. Seriously though, Shinji should be reliving the beating of Rodney King right there.

I think it's realistic enough. I mean they are all pointing their guns at an unarmed, scrawny teenager and one that, and they know this, against his will at first, has been fighting monsters and saving the world. I could see how his sarcastic retort of the whole thing would make them uncomfortable.
 
Given situation Gendo will try intimidation (due to lack of options really) and fail.

As for security attacking Shinji, aside from fact that he is one of people who keep world alive and obvious jab at sending squad of armed men to apprehend teenager there is fact that Unit 01 once again ignored very restraints that keep it under control. So if decency won't hold them back, desire to not make enemy from person in control of WMD (or WMD itself) will.
 
I think it's realistic enough. I mean they are all pointing their guns at an unarmed, scrawny teenager and one that, and they know this, against his will at first, has been fighting monsters and saving the world. I could see how his sarcastic retort of the whole thing would make them uncomfortable.
... no. That sort of taunt only works if they have actual morals. These armed soldiers all answer to Gendo, and act as his eyes, ears, and fists.
I find it very incredulous they care about anything other than 'he disobeyed direct orders' at that moment.
 
... no. That sort of taunt only works if they have actual morals. These armed soldiers all answer to Gendo, and act as his eyes, ears, and fists.
I find it very incredulous they care about anything other than 'he disobeyed direct orders' at that moment.

Yes, because faceless grunts don't have family, friends, or care about that the world keeps turning. And just because they are the security force doesn't mean they can't have morals. Please, i doubt any of them know anything of value so to them he may be insubordinate and their commander's son but he still has stopped the world from ending a few times now.
 
... no. That sort of taunt only works if they have actual morals. These armed soldiers all answer to Gendo, and act as his eyes, ears, and fists.
I find it very incredulous they care about anything other than 'he disobeyed direct orders' at that moment.
There's a difference between being amoral and ruthless; and being stereotypical Saturday morning cartoon villains.
 
Yes, because faceless grunts don't have family, friends, or care about that the world keeps turning. And just because they are the security force doesn't mean they can't have morals. Please, i doubt any of them know anything of value so to them he may be insubordinate and their commander's son but he still has stopped the world from ending a few times now.
They know the kid with the WMD disobeyed orders. The fact this previous hero decided he could go off-ranch and have an attitude about it would make it all the more contemptible.
There's a difference between being amoral and ruthless; and being stereotypical Saturday morning cartoon villains.
A difference you have yet to fully grasp. Pick up some books on how the NKVD ran or The Gulag Archipelago, you'll learn a few things. Like how that 'he went against the revolution' really is all the justification needed for common men to inflict the harshest cruelties on men, women, and children.
 
Just for snark, I suggest giving Kawaru a nail bat, and five unsupervised minutes with Gendo Ikari. While that goes on set up a Ticket dispenser, and big Led Number sign preceded by "Now Serving Number, a stand for the Bat, and a donation bucket.
 
A difference you have yet to fully grasp. Pick up some books on how the NKVD ran or The Gulag Archipelago, you'll learn a few things. Like how that 'he went against the revolution' really is all the justification needed for common men to inflict the harshest cruelties on men, women, and children.
Except that we don't have the NKVD, but a security service. Would they beat down Shinji if it brought them anything? Probably. But it doesn't bring them anything, and they're actually professionals.
 
Nah.

1) Shinji is a fucking rock star in Tokyo-3. I don't doubt that half the guys making this arrest are literally only going through with it because they're more afraid of Gendo than they respect Shinji. The other half are on SEELE's payroll and so fall under the "We're here to keep NERV under control, not protect the pilots," banner.

2) Regardless of Gendo's thoughts on Shinji getting the shit beaten out of him, what do you think would happen when Misato got wind? The offenders would be medievally drawn and quartered, and that's if Misato was still otherwise occupied. None of them are gonna attempt that with her still in command.
 
Except that we don't have the NKVD, but a security service. Would they beat down Shinji if it brought them anything? Probably. But it doesn't bring them anything, and they're actually professionals.
What part of
These armed soldiers all answer to Gendo, and act as his eyes, ears, and fists.
did you not understand?
2) Regardless of Gendo's thoughts on Shinji getting the shit beaten out of him, what do you think would happen when Misato got wind? The offenders would be medievally drawn and quartered, and that's if Misato was still otherwise occupied. None of them are gonna attempt that with her still in command.
They don't answer to her, she has no jurisdiction over them.
 
That is exactly the part. Gendo has nothing to gain, either. Gendo in particular is "merely" amoral and ruthless, not vindictive.
Tell that to Naoko or Ritsuko.
Or him doing this whole imprisonment thing because Shinji put Yui in danger, like in canon.
"Power grows out of the barrel of a gun."
And they have more guns than she does.
Unless the other pilots rebel, in which case the military/SEELE gets called in, thus keeping the status quo agains the heroes.
 
That is exactly the part. Gendo has nothing to gain, either. Gendo in particular is "merely" amoral and ruthless, not vindictive.


"Power grows out of the barrel of a gun."
He also has nothing to lose, and if Gendo doesn't give a shit after all worse case is that Gendo has Shinji shot for you know utterly proving that Shinji 'cant' fallow orders, unlike last time Shinji really didn't need to get involved in the first place.
 
Tell that to Naoko or Ritsuko.
Or him doing this whole imprisonment thing because Shinji put Yui in danger, like in canon.
And look at that, Ritsuko ended up unbeaten! Gendo just wants to shove Shinji away because he endangered Yui. That's all. You know I really dislike fics who basically make Gendo do things "for the evulz". It's cliche and ridiculous, and I'm happy that this is not happening here. Gendo is an amoral bastard that would do everything to gain his goals, including mass murder and torture if it helps him. But he doesn't kick puppies for the hell of it. That's not how evil works.

And they have more guns than she does.
Unless the other pilots rebel, in which case the military/SEELE gets called in, thus keeping the status quo agains the heroes.
The military could do shit all against EVAs. You'd have to wait for the MP series to finish. As for "internal guns", well, you couldn't start a coup d'etat without planning, that much at least is true.
 
She IS in charge of the pilots, though, and agents going out on their own to grievously injure a pilot puts them directly in her line of fire. Gendo stonewalling her there is just BEGGING for a coup. It would also be out-of-character for everyone involved, but mostly Gendo. He has no reason besides vindictiveness to attack Shinji, and whatever your thoughts are on Naoko and Ritsuko (who he certainly used but I don't recall any times he hurt them just to hurt them), he also knows that, until new facts land on the table,Yui is answering to Shinji. Shinji is effectively bullet-proof for the time being. He can lock him up, he can isolate him, but Unit-01 won't move until Shinji gets in the goddamn robot, and if Shinji is hurt between now and when he next sorties (or just has a Sync Test) then Gendo is eight kinds of fucked and he knows it.
 
And look at that, Ritsuko ended up unbeaten!
Scoring one point when your opponent's up by three does not mean you win the basketball game.
Gendo is an amoral bastard that would do everything to gain his goals, including mass murder and torture if it helps him. But he doesn't kick puppies for the hell of it. That's not how evil works.
Of course not. And Gendo does have a reason to be vindictive to Shinji here: He put Yui in harms way, against his orders. Misato made that pretty explicit.
You know Susano, you'd have more of an argument if you actually made points based on what's been shown in canon!Eva, and in the fic.
The military could do shit all against EVAs. Y
Until their batteries run out, or they up the LCL pressure to knock the pilots out.
whatever your thoughts are on Naoko and Ritsuko (who he certainly used but I don't recall any times he hurt them just to hurt them)
Someone hasn't seen the way he disposed of Naoko.
he also knows that, until new facts land on the table,Yui is answering to Shinji. Shinji is effectively bullet-proof for the time being. He can lock him up, he can isolate him, but Unit-01 won't move until Shinji gets in the goddamn robot, and if Shinji is hurt between now and when he next sorties (or just has a Sync Test) then Gendo is eight kinds of fucked and he knows it.
You'd have a point, if this exact same sequence of events hadn't happened in episode 19: Shinji disobeyed Gendo and put Unit-01 at risk. He got yanked out and Gendo had him arrested and thrown into the brig.
 
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You know Susano, you'd have more of an argument if you actually made points based on what's been shown in canon!Eva, and in the fic.
Like the one about Ritsuko you simply dismissed with a whimsical phrase?

Until their batteries run out, or they up the LCL pressure to knock the pilots out.
The latter doesn't even work anymore, and could in any case only be done from the command centre. And the former isn't a concern as long as the Geofront is held.

You'd have a point, if this exact same sequence of events hadn't happened in canon: Shinji disobeyed Gendo and put Unit-01 at risk and when he got out, Gendo had him arrested and thrown into the brig.
Without beatings, one might add.
 
I'm not the one who's tunnel-visioning and refusing to give any ground.
Yeah. I'm just letting this stand here.

Considering you're the one who got all obsessive about "they have to beat him up!" and dismiss all arguments... yeah.

And no teenage attitude from Shinji either.
They're too professional to be provoked by teenage attitude. Of course your previous argument was all about Gendo ordering a beatup. So what now, he's ordering a beatup because Shinji gave lip to the security agents? Alrighty then...
 
They're too professional to be provoked by teenage attitude.
:Citation Needed:
Of course your previous argument was all about Gendo ordering a beatup.
Officer: "I think we do." *slams rifle butt into Shinji's face. "TARGET IS RESISTING ARREST!"
*five minutes later*
Shinji: "O... OK. Yo-" *hacks up blood* "You got enough men."
Officer: "I dunno. Hey fellas, you think we got enough men here? I think we may need to bring in the rest of Section 2. They'd enthusiastically volunteer to protect NERV against its enemies."
This is probably the one time I've found Strip's use of tropes egregious. Seriously though, Shinji should be reliving the beating of Rodney King right there.
 
Yeah. I'm just letting this stand here.

Considering you're the one who got all obsessive about "they have to beat him up!" and dismiss all arguments... yeah.


They're too professional to be provoked by teenage attitude. Of course your previous argument was all about Gendo ordering a beatup. So what now, he's ordering a beatup because Shinji gave lip to the security agents? Alrighty then...
ummm these are the same people who you know couldn't find or even keep track of Shinji more then once in canon who utterly put up no resistance to the Japanese forces and who are spotted by anyone bothering to pay attention to their surroundings makes me doubt that they are professional to the point of letting a teenager act like a highminded asshole after disobeying orders when the fate of the world is at state and you know never acted like a highminded asshole beforehand in addition to the whole wont get punished for it because Gendo really wont care to let anyone see Shinji anyway after their 'discussion'. Like the only reason I foresee shinji not getting killed is cause the author of the story wouldn't write it up.
 
The way you phrased that makes me think I'm not fully informed on the circumstances surrounding Naoko's death. As far as I know/remember, Gendo was sleeping with her/using her genius to help move his Scenario forward. He bitches to Rei one day about her, Rei, being a pre-teen girl, quotes it to Naoko, Naoko snaps and then commits suicide. Strictly speaking, there is no cleaner way to dispose of a body than to reduce it to LCL. Do you mean that he specifically provoked her into committing suicide after the Magi were finished?
 
All the times prisoners were in fact not beaten up in canon? And you say I need to argue with incidents in the show. Meanwhile you pull "they would totally beat Shinji up!" from your ass.

So now you're shifting goalposts! Great!

... no. That sort of taunt only works if they have actual morals. These armed soldiers all answer to Gendo, and act as his eyes, ears, and fists.
What part of
did you not understand?
Tell that to Naoko or Ritsuko.
Or him doing this whole imprisonment thing because Shinji put Yui in danger, like in canon.
Of course not. And Gendo does have a reason to be vindictive to Shinji here: He put Yui in harms way, against his orders. Misato made that pretty explicit.

You totally did try to use Gendo as reason there. Until you were called out on that, so now it's back "Section 2 will behave like the American police". Well guess what, not all police/security forces do.
 
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