So you're saying that, sometimes, the Steve Irwin approach of "Crikey look at that bugger! I'mma poke it with a stick!" is wrong?
Advice and Trust [NGE]
So you're saying that, sometimes, the Steve Irwin approach of "Crikey look at that bugger! I'mma poke it with a stick!" is wrong?
Matt R
Giant Robot Pilot
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- North Dakota
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It came pre-poked! Katsuragi broke the first rule of the SCP Foundation: don't unpoke things that come pre-poked!
There wasn't a winning move given Shinji's operating knowledge. He made a choice--and it happened to lead to the worst possible outcome. Sometimes that happens.
Rebuild's actually kinda nasty about that. Asuka does the most selfless thing she's done in any continuity to make someone else happy, and pays for it. Rei opens up to people and starts to take an interest in the world, then she dies and her bodies end up wrecking havoc for 14 years. Shinji "mans up" just like that section of the Eva fandom always wanted him to, and we get 3.33.
Because the kids' personalities were never completely the problem (though they SURE DIDN'T HELP), the problem in the original series and in Rebuild is still communication! You can change anything you want about your life and personality, but if you hold back, don't talk to people, and don't open yourself up, you're going to make the same mistakes over and over again.
TsukikoHime
CEO of yuri
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- that one gay idol magical girl show
Finally free! And with two whole things to finish responding to/respond to entirely!
"To serve others, I must first serve myself." Quite a useful conclusion, for those who feel they don't matter while others do. I know from experience.
Is Kaji not actually aware of the MP-Evas??
Hm, is this the start of a new backslide and major plot element, or just a comment on the topic?
Ritsuraptor.
Of ALL the worst people to try to mug, you pick the ABSOLUTE worst two. One can melt you into LCL, the other has incredibly strong forcefields, and they can both telepathically communicate and have all of NERV backing them up if they so desire. Like, mugging Gendo or a SEELE member would be safer. At least they don't have superpowers.
Yay!!!
Noticed a fair few "tumbling down"s. They're already quoting the Laserdiscs
Okay, DEFINITE Futurama reference this time. (Do they carry harpoons, and sing whaling tunes thanks to a distinct lack of moon whales? Damn, I have that stupid little jingle memorised)
The nude test happened in A&T though, right? It was during Iruel's assault, I believe. So what doesn't she know?
Hm, "let's be friends forever" and "farewell until we meet again" aren't exactly inappropriate for the situation.
Hm, I'd disagree there. Adam could probably just wipe everything in the prefecture out with a blink. Zeruel, as terrifying as he is, isn't THAT ridiculous.
BG Character's Evangelion Hangover omake when?
*madoka intensifies*
Pretty sure Tabbris (two b's) is an actual angel in the traditions somewhere. I've seen it mentioned in places that probably wouldn't have been influenced by Eva.
Oh no, they're Puellae already?
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More fun to read as always! I would have liked to see the Pilots' reactions to the post-credits scene and preview, maybe next installment? And I guess I should get around to watching Rebuild 3 sometime before you do the Chronicles for it.
And, if you're taking suggestions for things to watch, A&T cast might have some things to say about Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann or Mobile Fighter Evangelion (assuming the writer gives an OK on that) Definitely they should read/watch at least one fan story featuring Mari as someone familiar to them. Maybe give them AsuRei or KawoShin stories? Or hell, the actual A&T Hangover
Thanks again for your work!
"To serve others, I must first serve myself." Quite a useful conclusion, for those who feel they don't matter while others do. I know from experience.
Is Kaji not actually aware of the MP-Evas??
Hm, is this the start of a new backslide and major plot element, or just a comment on the topic?
Ritsuraptor.
Of ALL the worst people to try to mug, you pick the ABSOLUTE worst two. One can melt you into LCL, the other has incredibly strong forcefields, and they can both telepathically communicate and have all of NERV backing them up if they so desire. Like, mugging Gendo or a SEELE member would be safer. At least they don't have superpowers.
Yay!!!
Noticed a fair few "tumbling down"s. They're already quoting the Laserdiscs
Okay, DEFINITE Futurama reference this time. (Do they carry harpoons, and sing whaling tunes thanks to a distinct lack of moon whales? Damn, I have that stupid little jingle memorised
)The nude test happened in A&T though, right? It was during Iruel's assault, I believe. So what doesn't she know?
Hm, "let's be friends forever" and "farewell until we meet again" aren't exactly inappropriate for the situation.
Hm, I'd disagree there. Adam could probably just wipe everything in the prefecture out with a blink. Zeruel, as terrifying as he is, isn't THAT ridiculous.
BG Character's Evangelion Hangover omake when?
*madoka intensifies*
Pretty sure Tabbris (two b's) is an actual angel in the traditions somewhere. I've seen it mentioned in places that probably wouldn't have been influenced by Eva.
Oh no, they're Puellae already?
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More fun to read as always! I would have liked to see the Pilots' reactions to the post-credits scene and preview, maybe next installment? And I guess I should get around to watching Rebuild 3 sometime before you do the Chronicles for it.
And, if you're taking suggestions for things to watch, A&T cast might have some things to say about Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann or Mobile Fighter Evangelion (assuming the writer gives an OK on that)
Definitely they should read/watch at least one fan story featuring Mari as someone familiar to them. Maybe give them AsuRei or KawoShin stories? Or hell, the actual A&T Hangover Thanks again for your work!
M. H. Fuzzball
Aperture Science-certified Horrible Person
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- Sector 2814
Asuka doesn't know that Gendo paraded Ritsuko naked in front of the committee here too, not just on the Laserdiscs.
DB_Explorer
Purveyor of alternate realities.
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- San Diego, California
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- He/Him
*looks at plot of A&T*
you don't say?
Actually I would like to see the OTL NGE cast read Advice and Trust... but that would not be fun at all : ( It would be anti-fun.
So I actually don't want to see that at all. Maybe give canon NGE cast A&T as a dream. All the pilots get a dream, plus Misato, Maya and Ritz - Have is spread over several nights. Nothing really changes untill someone talks to someone else about the dreams.
BG_Character_592
The Fisherman
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- Australia
It's actually happening as we speak
It was after Armisael, in canon and (it seems) in A&T (most recent snip at this time, 11.7, shows that she will still most likely have to go through it). It was quite lucky that was the preview posted, slightly better canon compliance is always good in an omake Just you wait
From what I looked up (and I actually did take a fair amount of time to check up on my knowledge of Abrahamic religions), I couldn't find reference to the name Tabris except for Evangelion related content (Closest I got to an actual Angel was the Arabic transliteration on Evageeks, but I couldn't find reference to such an angel in Islamic canon, so that led nowhere. Of course, maybe I didn't look hard enough
)Then again, looking up Tabbris does bring up a single article on DuckDuckGo, so that would've at least given me something (Even though I'm still not certain as to what canon it fits in, probably Christian?) Oh well, I can always explain my own lack of knowledge by applying it to the characters
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Jewish mystic tradition.It's actually happening as we speak
From what I looked up (and I actually did take a fair amount of time to check up on my knowledge of Abrahamic religions), I couldn't find reference to the name Tabris except for Evangelion related content (Closest I got to an actual Angel was the Arabic transliteration on Evageeks, but I couldn't find reference to such an angel in Islamic canon, so that led nowhere. Of course, maybe I didn't look hard enough
Then again, looking up Tabbris does bring up a single article on DuckDuckGo, so that would've at least given me something (Even though I'm still not certain as to what canon it fits in, probably Christian?) Oh well, I can always explain my own lack of knowledge by applying it to the characters
Officially, Christianity only recognizes three Angels. Of course they're infinite in number, but there are only three who get named in the Bible: Michael, Raphael and Gabriel. Therefore any time you see another angel, it's part of the Judeo-Christian mystic tradition.
Which means that yes, every last one of the Angels in Eva is non-canon.
Also your Google-fu is weak.
Ranma-sensei
Sorcerer
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- Citrix Receiver
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- Weatherdependent
Specifically (quoting Wikipedia for brevity):
"Remiel? We Catholics don't recognise him; but oh, we have four more unnamed archangels."Wikipedia said:
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BG_Character_592
The Fisherman
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- Australia
Certainly an interesting story. I can see how Kaworu's story can be related to it. Hell, that's practically what he did in the Chronicles omake anyway.
Kaworu leaves.
Also, maybe my Google-fu would be better if I actually used Google
Jim Starluck
CO, ICS Vanguard
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- Cincinnati, OH
Oooh, I've got an idea:Looks like Ritsuko's gambit with Kensuke is going well. Of course, her ultimate goal would be to find out what's on those discs of his, without doing the whole 'bash down the door and confiscate' business. Of course, that's if Kensuke doesn't get distracted
Same era of anime, and it also straddles the line between "Super robot" and "Real robot" like Evangelion does.
DB_Explorer
Purveyor of alternate realities.
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- San Diego, California
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- He/Him
TsukikoHime
CEO of yuri
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- that one gay idol magical girl show
It's actually happening as we speak
Ah, I think somewhere down the line Ritsuko's "nude Seele meeting" and the Pilots' "nude sync test" got mixed up. Gomene.
Schpoonman
They call me the Bord of Lays
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- United States
@TsukikoHime I'm on my phone and don't feel like parsing out your big post (it's a pain, trust me).
I think Kaji is lying. He DOES know just what SEELE is capable of and he doesn't like the look of their odds. I'm mostly basing this off his hesitation in the opening line you quoted, and Strype's choice of words, "pushed out through a tight throat." Dude's basically trying to not sob in front of his kids and partner.
Shinji, on the other hand, is on an upswing right now. He never looks forward to anything. It's always "Let's deal with this problem in front of me and then I can wait until someone needs me again." His relationship with Asuka has been very good for him.
I think Kaji is lying. He DOES know just what SEELE is capable of and he doesn't like the look of their odds. I'm mostly basing this off his hesitation in the opening line you quoted, and Strype's choice of words, "pushed out through a tight throat." Dude's basically trying to not sob in front of his kids and partner.
Shinji, on the other hand, is on an upswing right now. He never looks forward to anything. It's always "Let's deal with this problem in front of me and then I can wait until someone needs me again." His relationship with Asuka has been very good for him.
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It's not DNA, or not the concept of DNA, as the Angels were said to have DNA that "resembled humans". It's possible that Angel DNA is as similar to human DNA in COMPOSITION as a computer is to the human brain. But I took it as meaning the same information was encoded in both.
According to Kaworu, the Fruit of Knowledge was creativity. He could not conceive of music and art, and considered it the highest achievement of the Lilim civilization. That would suggest that the Fruit of Knowledge is something having to do with humanity's ability to get together and produce great things. Language, science, culture, society, religion, government, engineering, architecture. Children of Lilith create power, Children of Adam are power.
I've also theorized in the past that the Fruit of Knowledge is reproduction, and conversely, a limited lifespan. We don't know if the Angels reproduce, and if they are immortal they don't have to, or at the most they can be replaced by their Progenitor should their bodies fail. That could be why they were searching for Adam, he's the only one who can replace the losses they take, and without him their "war" can't really succeed. Of course, that's never outright stated in the canon, so that's just my own assumption based on similar tropes.
Another likely candidate is ambition, the drive to develop and become better. Presumably the FAR ran into a problem once they developed the S2 engine because their pride and ambition, which was formed when they were weak and constantly facing death, drove them to fight amongst each other for the power they had found. So they felt the Children of the Fruit of Life should lack that fear of death, drive and ambition, for their own good.
You know what'd make the Laserdisc!Eva class really paranoid?
They mysteriously next get a copy of the Laserdisc Chronicles.
Reminds me of the Doctor Who episode, "Blink":
"Hey, how did they know we said that?"
"Were we even in control of what we were saying? What if we were FORCED to say that by this fanfiction?"
"AAAAAHHHHHHHHH!"
"Part Batman. Part Bond. Part GIANT CITY SMASHING ROBOT!" - Cartoon Network
Loved that show, BTW
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And when they used it, it was a death flag... of course Rei got better, but not the point.
… at which point yet another divergence goes spinning off into the vastness.
Matt R
Giant Robot Pilot
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- North Dakota
Another good one that straddles the Super Robot/Real Robot line is Dai-Guard. Even has the same sort of extremely abstract kaiju designs. Sits at almost entirely the opposite end of the cynicism scale from Evangelion, though.
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Missed this in my previous catchup posts. (going through it all backwards) Of course, what's hilarious here is that Rei did exactly the same thing prior to leaning about sexual innuendo. I can see Kaworu doing the exact same thing.
Evil M. Lurker
What Lurks at Midnight
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- The City, USA
You can get better results out of Google if you include angelology in the search.
Jim Starluck
CO, ICS Vanguard
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- Cincinnati, OH
I also like to think of him as "What Shinji Ikari wants to be when he grows up," but that may be just me.
StorymasterQ
Chief of Weaponized Tropes First Division
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- Denpasar, Bali
That sounds like some sort of TV show. I can imagine the tagline now.
"When Angels go lol."
Dragontrapper
Homeless Draconis
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- A Tower in the middle of nowhere
.... I now want to read a Big O/NGE fusion fic.
- Location
- Wherever I feel like being
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- He/Him
Roger is Kaji's backup. When Fuyutsuki shows up to kill Kaji... Norman coshes him over the head while Roger gets Kaji the hell out of there. The next Angel to show up, Roger gets into the scrap and shows what someone that's actually trained in some form of martial arts can do in a mecha. Oh man, Dorothy would set Asuka off.
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What Shinji wants to be when he grows up:
What Shinji is afraid he'll be when he grows up:
What Shinji will be when he grows up:
With optional
(Anyone who thinks 3.33 was bad for established characterization needs to see Martian Successor Nadesico: Prince of Darkness. At least Wille's heel turn fit established characterization...)
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- Canada
I wonder at the cast's reactions to the Super Robot Wars versions of themselves. Particularly the Z series shenanigans.