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Advice and Trust [NGE]

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GotGame said:
Shouldn't Rei be wearing Rei's outfit instead of Asuka?
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Costumes and Games established that Asuka has a Sailor Mars costume (complete with wig, which she is of course not wearing here). She thinks it's a little tight on her nowadays, but Shinji likes it. She also has, among other costumes, Lina Inverse, and an Imperium of Man Commissar.
 
Strypgia said:
T Your daughter's friends are... very important to me. One especially. And I will not let anything harm them as long as I have a choice.'
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Oh, that last line isn't ominous or anything.... :o
You know what would be funny here? Mrs. Horaki takes a good thorough look at Kawarou's soul, realizes that the poor boy is both Very Young and Never Had Parents, and... Kawarou comes out of the entry plug calling Hikari "onee-san."
Kawarou: "I... appear to have been adopted? I'm unsure how to feel about this, but I'm leaning in the positive direction."

GotGame said:
Shouldn't Rei be wearing Rei's outfit instead of Asuka?
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With those color palletes? Ew!
Asuka: "One: never, EVER, put a Winter in a Summer outfit. Two: I'm fire, she's ice!."
Rei (deadpan): "And together, we are steamy."
Shinji and Kawarou: :eek: :ogles:
 
SkyeFire said:
You know what would be funny here? Mrs. Horaki takes a good thorough look at Kawarou's soul, realizes that the poor boy is both Very Young and Never Had Parents, and... Kawarou comes out of the entry plug calling Hikari "onee-san."
Kawarou: "I... appear to have been adopted? I'm unsure how to feel about this, but I'm leaning in the positive direction."
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I'm not sure the rules of Earth have changed enough that a giant biomechanical robot can adopt someone officially. Unofficially, sure. But either way, the bombshell Kaworu opened with makes me feel that it would be unlikely to happen.

Still hilarious to think about, though.
 
Here's a shower thought.

In the events of a happy end where the central quartet lives, we'll have A+S who have been going at it like rabbits, and R+K, an inexperienced couple who are literally new to all of that.
I am sure Asuka and Shinji will be more than happy to give a few pointers.

Does that mean we could get a NSFW sequel, Advice and Thrust ?
 
Sequel? That sounds more like the smut parody.

The sequel would clearly be titled Advice and Trust 2: Attack of the Babies.

Asuka and Shinji as parents dealing with three rambunctious triplets and the horror stories all parents must face. Including...shudder...DIAPERS!
 
NotYourParents said:
I'm not sure the rules of Earth have changed enough that a giant biomechanical robot can adopt someone officially. Unofficially, sure. But either way, the bombshell Kaworu opened with makes me feel that it would be unlikely to happen.

Still hilarious to think about, though.
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Officially, what Evangelions actually are is so classified, the classification level is [REDACTED].
Unofficially, are you going to tell the giant biomechanical robot that doesn't need a power cord 'No'?
 
Naughtilus said:
Here's a shower thought.

In the events of a happy end where the central quartet lives, we'll have A+S who have been going at it like rabbits, and R+K, an inexperienced couple who are literally new to all of that.
I am sure Asuka and Shinji will be more than happy to give a few pointers.

Does that mean we could get a NSFW sequel, Advice and Thrust ?
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Doctor Squared said:
"So how's that pre-date playlist Shinji made you to help keep your mind off of things?"

"Well..."

Track 01: I Want to be Sedated - The Ramones
Track 02: Saturday Night's Alright for Fighting - Elton John
Track 03: Fly Like An Eagle - Steve Miller Band
Track 04: Time in a Bottle - Jim Croce
Track 05: Under Pressure - Queen
Track 06: The Rain Song - Led Zeppelin
Track 07: Drops of Jupiter - Train
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Unrelated, I know, but... Just discovered that 2 songs I like are from Jim Croce ("Time in a Bottle" and "I Got a Name"), both I discovered through movies, and I didn't even know the artist.Thanks, Doctor Squared!
 
You know, I've been thinking...

There is one thing that's always bothered me about the premise to this fic, and it's the same mistake that Misato made about Gendo.

I remember this exchange also happening in Rebuild, but at one point I remember Misato basically telling Shinji that his father's not all bad and that he secretly still cares about Shinji. Which, as we all know, is bullshit.

I bring that up to mention the elephant in the room: the idea that Asuka's got a hidden soft side. Does she really?

This has bothered me since the day A&T first started; it feels too much like whitewashing her to say yes. The whole point of her was to show how messed up in the head you'd have to be to act like the cliche tsundere in action. On the one hand, yeah, she kind of obviously wanted Shinji's attention (thermal expansion, anyone?) but on the other hand she spends most of the series literally kicking his face in. And no, that's not just slapstick, that had real consequences towards the end.

A&T's averted most of this because the premise is "Well, what if her feelings WERE genuine?" but still, it bothers me.
 
cyberxiii said:
On the one hand, yeah, she kind of obviously wanted Shinji's attention (thermal expansion, anyone?) but on the other hand she spends most of the series literally kicking his face in. And no, that's not just slapstick, that had real consequences towards the end.

A&T's averted most of this because the premise is "Well, what if her feelings WERE genuine?" but still, it bothers me.
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I'm betting you meant emotionally or metaphorically? The only time she kicks his face is when they're crawling through the vents during the blackout, she thinks he's peeking up her skirt. She tries to get his attention as a girl far more often.

During her mind-rape, when Asuka sees images of Shinji pushing aside her memories of Kaji, and images of her saving her from sinking into Mount Asama, she says 'Why are you here? You wouldn't even hold me!' Not 'You wouldn't even kiss me!', but 'hold me'. She didn't want Shinji to just kiss her because she wanted to blow an evening making out. She wanted his affection. Not just physicality, but feeling.

Again and again we get shown Asuka desperately wants someone to show her that she's loved, cared for, not worthless and unloveable, at the same time fear of further pain makes her harshly keep people who might do this at a distance. So she gives a ton of mixed signals to poor Shinji, obliquely inviting him into her bedroom when their alone, offering to kiss by lying about why, and even going to his hospital room after Leliel but hiding outside the door, afraid to go in like Rei did. Shinji laughs when he spots her, even. So yes, the idea that Asuka's got a hidden soft side desperately longing for affection seems well-grounded to me.

The premise for A&T was not "What if her feelings WERE genuine?", but "What if Shinji gave her the sign she wanted that it was safe to lower her walls?" What I changed was opportunity, not motivation.
 
Strypgia said:
The premise for A&T was not "What if her feelings WERE genuine?", but "What if Shinji gave her the sign she wanted that it was safe to lower her walls?" What I changed was opportunity, not motivation.
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No, premise was "What if Shinji couldn't find a hold for himself during a oxygen depriving kiss and one thing lead to another?" I don't recall him 'giving' her any sort of sign, at least voluntarily :V

I'd say it's more "What if Asuka got the sign that Shinji also wanted what she wanted and that it was safe to lower her walls?"

Or as a wise man once said, "Bah, semantics."
 
StorymasterQ said:
No, premise was "What if Shinji couldn't find a hold for himself during a oxygen depriving kiss and one thing lead to another?" I don't recall him 'giving' her any sort of sign, at least voluntarily :V

I'd say it's more "What if Asuka got the sign that Shinji also wanted what she wanted and that it was safe to lower her walls?"

Or as a wise man once said, "Bah, semantics."
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He did give her the sign! ....it may not have been intentional, but it worked! :V
 
Just had to add, I went back to the first page to see exactly how that happened, and ended up reading the entire first chapter.

I HAD TO STOP MYSELF FROM CONTINUING or I'll be thread-yarn-spelunking all day and I don't have time for this I have work to do DAMMIT STRYP I'M LOST SOMEBODY SEND COOKIES AND CHOLOCATE I'M DIVING IN!
 
Also, it's somewhat debatable whether or not Gendo cares for Shinji. He's a terrible father, that's undeniable. But that doesn't mean he doesn't care at all.

That doesn't mean Misato's RIGHT. Even when sober, she's not some sort of savant who can practically read minds and emotions.

And as stated, Asuka is a deconstruction of a Tsundere archetype. She literally wouldn't work as a Tsundere without a Dere.

A Tsundere without a Dere is just an asshole.
 
cyberxiii said:
I bring that up to mention the elephant in the room: the idea that Asuka's got a hidden soft side. Does she really?

This has bothered me since the day A&T first started; it feels too much like whitewashing her to say yes. The whole point of her was to show how messed up in the head you'd have to be to act like the cliche tsundere in action. On the one hand, yeah, she kind of obviously wanted Shinji's attention (thermal expansion, anyone?) but on the other hand she spends most of the series literally kicking his face in. And no, that's not just slapstick, that had real consequences towards the end.

A&T's averted most of this because the premise is "Well, what if her feelings WERE genuine?" but still, it bothers me.
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I think the thesis here is that Asuka isn't showing how messed up in the head you have to be to act like the cliche tsundere. She's showing how messed up in the head you become because you acted like the cliche tsundere.

What's being deconstructed is that you can get your happy ending while caring about people AND being constantly obnoxious and distant and verbally or even physically abusive to them, as tsundere characters tend to do.
 
Simon_Jester said:
I think the thesis here is that Asuka isn't showing how messed up in the head you have to be to act like the cliche tsundere. She's showing how messed up in the head you become because you acted like the cliche tsundere.

What's being deconstructed is that you can get your happy ending while caring about people AND being constantly obnoxious and distant and verbally or even physically abusive to them, as tsundere characters tend to do.
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In Asuka's case, it's very much her trauma that leads to her mercurial nature, rather than the other way around.
 
Her early trauma led to her mercurial nature.

Her mercurial nature exacerbated her trauma, indirectly causing her to experience yet more trauma.

Both are true.
 
StorymasterQ said:
Just had to add, I went back to the first page to see exactly how that happened, and ended up reading the entire first chapter.

I HAD TO STOP MYSELF FROM CONTINUING or I'll be thread-yarn-spelunking all day and I don't have time for this I have work to do DAMMIT STRYP I'M LOST SOMEBODY SEND COOKIES AND CHOLOCATE I'M DIVING IN!
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Bon voyage Storymaster, we'll never forget you.
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Sorry for making you all wait. I've got one more bit to finish tonight, then I can post the update. Here's a preview of Shinji's part. He's having an awkward conversation.

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Shinji was ready. He was focused. He was in the zone, or whatever it was that Touji always said about being ready before a game. He plugged in Unit-01's umbilical and opened the Weapons Building. He handed Unit-00 the gigantic sniper rifle, taking a trusty Pallet Rifle for himself. He'd spent hours on hours in the simulator practicing with it. He'd killed Matarael with a Pallet Rifle, and wounded Bardiel. Rei had gotten the last killshot on Zeruel with one. If he had to watch Asuka's back from a distance, this was his weapon.

Now, to get into positi-

'Shinji, can we talk?'

He gritted his teeth, only the slick LCL filling his mouth keeping them from grinding. He tried to ignore her.

'Shinji, talk to me. I know you're upset with me. But I'm still your mother, and I still love you.'

He tried not to hunch his neck. 'You and father were monsters. You were part of SEELE! They killed half the world! I don't want to talk to you!'

His mother sighed. 'Shinji, it's... not that simple. I was born into SEELE. It took a long time to even understand opposing them was even possible.' She paused. 'I know we don't have much time. I can tell there's an Angel coming. I talked to your lovely girlfriend before. Ask her what I told her about SEELE. But please believe me, I opposed them where I could, especially once you were born. You made the fate of the future far more real to me, Shinji. Everything I did after that was for you. So please... don't wall yourself off from me while we fight? If we do not defeat the Angels, nothing else matters.'

He frowned, staring obstinately out at the ridge in front of him.
 
I'm trying to imagine how that conversation would go instead if A&T!Yui was more like GHL!Yui or KMM!Yui.

Of course, if we were using KMM!Yui, we would also have to use KMM!Kyoko. Which would certainly lead to some... interesting conversations.

"Are you making sure to only do it on his safe days?"

"...Mama, boys don't have safe days."
 
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Arcus said:
I'm trying to imagine how that conversation would go instead if A&T!Yui was more like GHL!Yui or KMM!Yui.

Of course, if we were using KMM!Yui, we would also have to use KMM!Kyoko. Which would certainly lead to some... interesting conversations.

"Are you making sure to only do it on his safe days?"

"...Mama, boys don't have safe days."
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What stories are these from?
 
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