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Advice and Trust [NGE]

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Strypgia said:
Rei: "You better not tell anyone about these pictures, fish." ~hits send~
Kaworu: "..............arogcxpzl." ~thud~
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Wouldn't be entirely surprised if Rei and Kaworu could communicate in some way using exclusively their AT fields, sending 'surface thoughts', simple messages, imagery and the like. Might actually be something Kaworu can do / does to communicate with the other Angels and could teach Rei.

If that's the case all Rei would need is a mirror and a bit of concentration.

The brain failure and need to reboot would, however, become more literal. Especially if Rei makes it a habit of sending 'distractions' at the most inappropriate times. :p
 
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Strypgia said:
Rei: "I have determined what I will wear at the next opportunity for a costume party."

Asuka: "Costume party? Hm... not a bad idea. I've got some ideas that will really melt Shinji's brain. What did you have in mind, Rei?"

Rei: "Death."

Ritsuko: ~sweats nervously~

Rei: ~tiny smile~

Kaworu: ~looks down~ "Oh damn it, there it goes again..."
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Rei certainly has fine taste in who to dress up as. The one character that is drop-dead gorgeous, and is a symbol of "your time is up" that, ultimately everyone will have to face sooner or later.

Just... perfect. :evil:
 
MoroseMobius said:
Well, her form as one of the Endless is lovely. "Her" form in other works...
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Well, interpretations of Death does vary between media and all. Death can appear as one thing in comics/films/shows, and show up as another in a different comic/film/show. It's all up to the writer, artist, etc. to decide that. Frankly, Neil Gaiman's interpretation of Death is love. She's fun, jolly, and looks awesome, with the bonus of showing up when you're dead. Who wouldn't want that.

Also, let's stop any potential derails here. ;)
 
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maes said:
Wouldn't be entirely surprised if Rei and Kaworu could communicate in some way using exclusively their AT fields, sending 'surface thoughts', simple messages, imagery and the like. Might actually be something Kaworu can do / does to communicate with the other Angels and could teach Rei.
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Pulse their fields in Morse Code? Just enough that the other can sense it, but the MAGI can't?
 
Strypgia said:
Rei: "Death."
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But where is she going to get the stilts and the cloak? Getting the glowing lights in the skull face is easy though.
Astray Spiral said:
Neil Gaiman's interpretation of Death
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Pterry's (GNU) interpretation is better.

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MisterHalt said:
Pulse their fields in Morse Code? Just enough that the other can sense it, but the MAGI can't?
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But the can convey much more information, since they can see colors and shapes. I wouldn't be surprised if they could work out how to do SSTV.
 
The Englanderish said:
Given when NGE was made, I think it's unfair to expect Anno to predict the existence of the phone camera. :p

Personally, I'd be inclined to assume that their phones do have such functionality.
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The state of consumer electronics seems to be more or less frozen around the level that it was around the time of Second Impact. This is made clearer in Rebuild, which, unlike the original series, was produced after that point in history: rather than attempt to predict advances in consumer electronics as the original series did, it regressed them to circa-2000 levels (such as Rebuild!Asuka's Wonderswan Color).

This makes sense for a post-apocalyptic universe. Humanity's priorities shifted after that, so there there was less ability to develop consumer gadgets. Existing facilities were easier to keep going, rather than pump money into R&D that was needed elsewhere.

The very first camera phones were coming onto the market around the time of Second Impact, so it is not inconceivable that Rei or the other pilots might at least know about them. But it would be really conspicuous for a high-school student to actually have such a high-end phone, so I'm not sure NERV would actually spring for them.

Wouldn't surprise me if Kaji had one though.
 
So what tech advances would get developed? As an example, where and how were the Impact Wars fought? Was the US involved in fighting in the Middle East and would drones and mineproof vehicles get as highly developed as they did irl? How advanced are personal computers?
 
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Heavy Fuel said:
So what tech advances would get developed? As an example, where and how were the Impact Wars fought? Was the US involved in fighting in the Middle East and would drones and mineproof vehicles get as highly developed as they did irl? How advanced are personal computers?
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The Impact Wars in canon are very vague. We have only bits and pieces, like that there was a nuclear war between India and Pakistan, Tokyo was nuked by parties unknown weeks after Second Impact, the Japan Self-Defense Force is now the Japan Strategic Self-Defense Force, there was some kind of ground-intervention in China at some point, and half the world's population died as a combination of the Impact itself, the wars that followed, and the secondary effects from both (famines, diseases, breakdown of food distribution and civil order, etc). The US had forces in the Balkans, and some residual stuff in the Middle East from the Gulf War, so the US could have been involved in fighting, but no canon word.

This all predates the heavy use of drones. At that point, the US was using early model Predator drones in the Balkans, but that's about it. MRAPs and such didn't come along until well into the Iraq War in OTL, so none of that here.

Computers don't seem that advanced, at least not on the PC level. Asuka uses a game console that looks like a upgraded Sega Genesis at Hikari's, and I think you see a knock-off Playstation and Super Famicom in Misato's apartment, so no advances there. Misato's laptop, and the ones the kids use in school are pretty clunky looking and their displays are basic, so I think you can safely say consumer computers are little if any advanced over 1999. Things like the MAGI are of course a whole new deal, but they're so cutting edge that there's only a handful worldwide in 2015.
 
It seems a little odd that they could have developed the MAGI without some advancements leaking into the commercial sector. If nothing else, there should have been a continued push for greater circuit density, which means either smaller devices or more memory.
 
BadRoad said:
It seems a little odd that they could have developed the MAGI without some advancements leaking into the commercial sector. If nothing else, there should have been a continued push for greater circuit density, which means either smaller devices or more memory.
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1) Global conspiracy of old rich dudes to keep the sweet shit for themselves.
2) Tooling up for chip fabs every few years is actually really expensive, so in a situation where half the population died, people are probably generally poor enough that tooling up for smaller chip sizes might not be affordable for consumer production, never mind cost effective.
 
NothingNow said:
1) Global conspiracy of old rich dudes to keep the sweet shit for themselves.
2) Tooling up for chip fabs every few years is actually really expensive, so in a situation where half the population died, people are probably generally poor enough that tooling up for smaller chip sizes might not be affordable for consumer production, never mind cost effective.
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MAGI also uses biological components so it may not be useful to transfer them to smaller packadge may just not be possible at the time (or at all).
 
Also, it wasn't very long after 1999 that we hit something of a plateau when it came to actually using the increased capabilities of PC hardware, at least for basic applications like office productivity. Without the large pool of content creators making games and videos and even Flash animations that push the performance envelope there'd be no really pressing need to upgrade every few years.
 
My headcanon was always that the high-end gaming segment sourced out to consoles, incidentally creating a huge divide in capabilities based on what you want to spend on your console, while the PC market is mostly commercial software and the odd isometric RPG.
 
Well...I thought technological progress just got killed dead by Second Impact. That's the most sense I can make out of it, because disasters and wars tend to make technology leap forward. I mean, just look at world war two. Before it, many countries were still using Biplanes, and by the end fucking jets, primitive cruise missiles, and the Atomic Bomb. The battleship became utterly obsolete as a weapon of war, helicopters became a thing, huge advances in medicine, and two decades later we got the moon landings. After something like Second Impact, with the world devastated, I wouldn't be surprised to see basic Lunar colonies, flying warships and perhaps even "Cancer? What's cancer?"

Unless of course, SEELE doesn't want anyone to be "left behind" by their great journey, and have completely sunk the space programs by diverting funds into NERV. Which is a bit more interesting to me, because that would make SEELE a bunch of well intentioned religious lunatics/fanatics, not just "hurr hurr, immortality at everyone else's expense for the evulz."
 
Lord Sovereign said:
Well...I thought technological progress just got killed dead by Second Impact. That's the most sense I can make out of it, because disasters and wars tend to make technology leap forward. I mean, just look at world war two. Before it, many countries were still using Biplanes, and by the end fucking jets, primitive cruise missiles, and the Atomic Bomb. The battleship became utterly obsolete as a weapon of war, helicopters became a thing, huge advances in medicine, and two decades later we got the moon landings. After something like Second Impact, with the world devastated, I wouldn't be surprised to see basic Lunar colonies, flying warships and perhaps even "Cancer? What's cancer?"

Unless of course, SEELE doesn't want anyone to be "left behind" by their great journey, and have completely sunk the space programs by diverting funds into NERV. Which is a bit more interesting to me, because that would make SEELE a bunch of well intentioned religious lunatics/fanatics, not just "hurr hurr, immortality at everyone else's expense for the evulz."
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eh the atomic bomb was mostly had a lot of the theoretical ground work for it before WW2 started, also there is a difference in the 'Second World War' and Second impact, one was a struggle between the powers of the time, the other was basically the = to the black death in the middle ages or the diseases brought to the Americas by the Europeans.
 
Lord Sovereign said:
Well...I thought technological progress just got killed dead by Second Impact. That's the most sense I can make out of it, because disasters and wars tend to make technology leap forward. I mean, just look at world war two. Before it, many countries were still using Biplanes, and by the end fucking jets, primitive cruise missiles, and the Atomic Bomb. The battleship became utterly obsolete as a weapon of war, helicopters became a thing, huge advances in medicine, and two decades later we got the moon landings. After something like Second Impact, with the world devastated, I wouldn't be surprised to see basic Lunar colonies, flying warships and perhaps even "Cancer? What's cancer?"

Unless of course, SEELE doesn't want anyone to be "left behind" by their great journey, and have completely sunk the space programs by diverting funds into NERV. Which is a bit more interesting to me, because that would make SEELE a bunch of well intentioned religious lunatics/fanatics, not just "hurr hurr, immortality at everyone else's expense for the evulz."
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Well, it kind of did leap forwards. They have giant semi-organic battlemechs, (ab)human cloning, weaponised antimatter (Positron Cannon definitely, N2 weapons probably) and they're experimenting with exploiting Zero-point energy in the form of S2 Engines.

These leaps forward may not have filtered down to the consumer-goods level yet, but there was a rather long gap between the first operational jet fighters and the first commercial jet airliner too. And as @SpeckofStardust notes, that was with 'only' tens of millions of dead and a decent chunk of the planet unaffected by the direct consequences of the conflict, not three billion dead and the entire world being hit.
 
Our sample size is also restricted to very select cases in one city, isn't it?

Theirs also the real life phenomenae of nostalgia pandering. I mean, last year we had a Doom sequel with mechanics that were still modernized, but largely classic FPS. Pixel art and chiptunes are seeing increased popularity. It might be that in Eva's 2016, Second Impact created a wave of nostalgia to life just before. Those clunky looking electronics might be largely cosmetically dated, with games intentionally invoking classic appearances.

I'm assuming we're ignoring the more likely answer - They depicted and wrote what they had at the time.

Makes me wonder when people will see stuff from this decade and roll their eyes at how behind some things are.
 
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