But Shinji wasn't in the core per se. He still was in the LCL that was kept retained in the entry-plug all the time. That oughta make a difference, really.
I thought they flushed out the LCL when they brought Unit-01 in from the fight which is how they knew Shinji was absorbed into the core.
In either case, I don't think the LCL itself matters. It's like the human body, the carbon and whatnot don't really matter, it's the DNA that tells the carbon how to grow and shape itself. Same with a soul applied to a lump sum of LCL*.
*: This explanation is based on my highly limited knowledge of the human body, so pass the salt.
I thought they flushed out the LCL when they brought Unit-01 in from the fight which is how they knew Shinji was absorbed into the core.
In either case, I don't think the LCL itself matters. It's like the human body, the carbon and whatnot don't really matter, it's the DNA that tells the carbon how to grow and shape itself. Same with a soul applied to a lump sum of LCL*.
*: This explanation is based on my highly limited knowledge of the human body, so pass the salt.
Well, if you have enough of the constituent elements and the means, and let's assume your average EVA does, you could make a human body. If you wanted that body to live, you'd need to stimulate the right reactions in the brain to get things going. If you wanted that body to think like or have the memories and personality of a certain person, you'd have to get the brain cells to build certain pathways up and hope that their cerebrospinal fluid mixture is exactly matching the person whom you are trying to rebuild.
In short, leaving a core would be less reconstitution and more perfectly cloning.
IIRC, they track Shinji's ego border inside the LCL; the LCL is only drained once their final "get Shinji back" experiment fails. Which leads to his plugsuit being spilled out (nevermind he wasn't wearing one...), Misato crying over it a la Pietà, and Shinji coming out of the LCL as a result of that. But it was always the LCL, never the core.
Meanwhile, as Naughtilus says, in A&T, the LCL of the 03 Entry Plug had in fact already been drained, so Hikari's sould had to have been in the core. That's distinct from canon.
IIRC, they track Shinji's ego border inside the LCL; the LCL is only drained once their final "get Shinji back" experiment fails. Which leads to his plugsuit being spilled out (nevermind he wasn't wearing one...), Misato crying over it a la Pietà, and Shinji coming out of the LCL as a result of that. But it was always the LCL, never the core.
Meanwhile, as Naughtilus says, in A&T, the LCL of the 03 Entry Plug had in fact already been drained, so Hikari's sould had to have been in the core. That's distinct from canon.
I... think that the whole "keeping the Shinji-LCL" sub-plot was in order to keep all of Shinji's original "matter" (even if it had been dissolved) in hopes that that would help the reconstitution process. I'm not entirely sure where I got that impression, could have been a fanfic thing.
But even in canon, I really got the feeling that Ritsuko was running the entire Shinji Recovery operation on guesswork and crossed fingers. The only previous example to go by was Yui, after all, and that hadn't worked. Rits obviously thought she had a shot at recovering Shinji, but it was pretty obvious (IMO, at least) that she was winging it to a large degree. And holding onto the Shinji-flavor LCL was as much of a "can't hurt, might help" thing as it was a working scientifically-sound working hypothesis.
I... think that the whole "keeping the Shinji-LCL" sub-plot was in order to keep all of Shinji's original "matter" (even if it had been dissolved) in hopes that that would help the reconstitution process.
Indeed. But for all we know that indeed helped. Because Shinji was clearly tracked inside the LCL; so we know he was in the LCL and not in the core. I don't disagree that Ritsuko basically brought out the voodoo drums for all she knew about what to do, but still, I think it's a significant difference if the soul is still swimming in the LCL, or has already moved to the core.
His soul was already bouncing around the Core of Unit-01. That's how he was able to have that nice long chat with his mom... who curiously never took the time to fill Shinji in on her whole 'I'm doing all this on purpose, because SEELE is Up To Shit' thing... And even more bizarrely, Shinji never got pigeonholed and questioned for hours about what he'd seen, "Did you see her?! Did you talk to her?!" by Gendo. Gendo's one goal for 10 years has been 'get a soul out of a Core', he finally has it happen right in front of him, and he doesn't quiz Shinji until he has answers? Yeesh.
Anyhow, when Misato is doing her weeping over Shinji's plugsuit (and where the F did that come from? He went in wearing his student uniform!), he isn't reconstituted from the LCL. The Core of Unit-01 spits him out on the gantry:
(Thanks, Yui. Because we didn't have enough 'birth' metaphors already.)
Shinji went in via 400% Synch from the Entry Plug, but came out of the Core directly. The only thing that moved was his soul.
Also, I have had an idea for the next scene, so if I get time tomorrow, there may be a more rapid update. However, I'll be on the way to Ft. Bliss, not arriving until evening, so that's up in the air. Rei will be fine, I promise.
Also, I have had an idea for the next scene, so if I get time tomorrow, there may be a more rapid update. However, I'll be on the way to Ft. Bliss, not arriving until evening, so that's up in the air. Rei will be fine, I promise.
Kaworu: You thought hurting Rei was a means to hurt Gendo. Maybe... maybe you are right in the regards. *pumps shotgun* Unfortunately it also pisses me off something fierce.
His soul was already bouncing around the Core of Unit-01. That's how he was able to have that nice long chat with his mom... who curiously never took the time to fill Shinji in on her whole 'I'm doing all this on purpose, because SEELE is Up To Shit' thing... And even more bizarrely, Shinji never got pigeonholed and questioned for hours about what he'd seen, "Did you see her?! Did you talk to her?!" by Gendo. Gendo's one goal for 10 years has been 'get a soul out of a Core', he finally has it happen right in front of him, and he doesn't quiz Shinji until he has answers? Yeesh.
But, we know Gendo is probably the most scared individual in NERV and of his son most of all. He's kept Shinji in the dark for a decade, will another 2 - 3 weeks really change that?
Besides, he may also be afraid of Shinji saying he had talked to his mother and finding out what she told him. Don't ask questions you don't want the answers to and all that.
So, I've been doing a lot of thinking lately. And... I've come to a, I guess conclusion, or a change of heart or a something.
I'm... okay with R/S now.
It's something I've been thinking about for a long time and I guess it's been a long time coming. There, I said it. Happy now? Check the date in GMT/BST.
I have to assume that they plan on killing Rei if they took out the Rei clones (IE all the backups) since otherwise you just a normal non-backed up precursor progoney rather then one that can be loaded from a saved file.
Also - why would killing all the Rei clones make Rei collapse?
So, I've been doing a lot of thinking lately. And... I've come to a, I guess conclusion, or a change of heart or a something.
I'm... okay with R/S now.
It's something I've been thinking about for a long time and I guess it's been a long time coming. There, I said it. Happy now? Check the date in GMT/BST.
Not taking anything for granted since I know what today is, so your post gets a print-screen. Now try taking it back.
Anyways, and I think this was discussed a bit (plus, @DB_Explorer brought up the question), Rei is probably suffering from feedback from the clones' death, considering her AT field isn't 100% back.
Maybe it's because she's off her meds. You know, because canon never had Asuka (and Shinji, can't forget him) help her get off them in the first place.
Sure, part of the drug regimen was to keep her as a compliant doll, but it was also to numb her senses. It's not inconceivable that the drugs were acting as a buffer when she lost all her backups in canon (and I don't believe we got to see Rei's reaction when that happened)
So, I've been doing a lot of thinking lately. And... I've come to a, I guess conclusion, or a change of heart or a something.
I'm... okay with R/S now.
It's something I've been thinking about for a long time and I guess it's been a long time coming. There, I said it. Happy now? Check the date in GMT/BST.
So, I've been doing a lot of thinking lately. And... I've come to a, I guess conclusion, or a change of heart or a something.
I'm... okay with R/S now.
It's something I've been thinking about for a long time and I guess it's been a long time coming. There, I said it. Happy now? Check the date in GMT/BST.
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