Objection: They have their own grief seeds, and more than we do. It makes no sense to give out one of our limited supply when we can instead clear one of theirs. Especially when we already need to earmark something to exchange for Aurora, and all of our other seeds are currently experimental subjects.

Beyond that, after a certain point clear seeds are less useful and more putting a target on their back. I think we should consider whether we've passed that point.
There is a point after which Clear Seeds are no longer useful, but that point is one Seed per girl. Right now they have one Seed for seven girls. And we took Arzt Kochen from them on the basis that we were going to use it to make another Clear Seed. We owe them a Seed back.
 
For Mami, anyway. Sayaka's already at school.
She still needs more practice if she wants to attend school and meguca at the same time. :p

Madoka and Hitomi can't cover for her all the time.

Also, what time is it? It'd be good to get back before the Shiogama girls arrive. So we can be there, and so Sayaka doesn't need to split her concentration further, slip in front of them, and have to rely on Homuplomacy to save the day.

EDIT: By the way, should we ask when will Umika's mind protection effect end at some point?
 
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We have a lot of open issues! I offer the thought that things will get simpler if we

follow the order of operations.

Since we are cool, just and inclined to micromanage, we cannot try a dispensation for Anri until we get the proper information. Since we can have a face-to-face now, thanks to Oriko, we need to evaluate what we are about to do. Let us focus only on the evaluate step ATM. Thus, conference with full group, conference in Privacy, Homura inclusion, all good steps. We need to worry about other moving items as well, but not specifying the sentence just yet. We should listen, before we judge. Anri's actions are known, but not all of the details of her mind.

We don't have a prison for Anri. In our current milieu, Oriko represents the model of what is possible. Too much more conflict after any cease fire is going to lead to tribe level punishments. Our evaluation is "will she buy in."

Also, "Don't split the party."

[X] Telepathy Homura, update ask advice
[X] Telepathy Hijiri
-[X] talk to us later.
-[X] where are you sleeping tonight
-[X] vicious cycle, both sides scared. We can help both sides feel safer.
-[X] Come try cake sometime
[X] Oriko praise
[X] Group feedback / ideas about Anri's captivity.
-[X] break to Privacy, get Niko(?) and us synced with Oriko before Anri questioning
--[X] Want useful, thorough interview. Oriko leads. Detective style, try to understand Anri.
--[X] Can Oriko use us to stabilize deal?
--[X] Anri has history with Hijiri. Want analyzed!
[X] Anri dialogue intentions
-[X] What do you think happens next?
-[X] Choose revenge, or choose Yuuri.
-[X] make us believe having you help us get her back isn't a mistake
[X] Pleiades - invite them to meet the immigrants, enjoy the MOFs for travel.
-[X] Not sure about Hijiri. Avoid ATM. Ribbon Grid, shift or soloton grid to locate anomalies. Plot them.


We have a lot of parting dialogue upcoming, at least in theory. An even more robust trading environment is our goal? If we intend to survive all the challenges, our need for game-breaking support is paramount. Clear Seed is payment at a royal level, but I think building their affection is also wise. When we move up to larger political arenas, unity of our prefecture makes a big difference. Medieval 101. This group has talented people that can help, we should take on some work from them.

The connection of Anri to the ideal of Yuuri is a great precondition to our de-witching research. If, IF she joins in, it should be our goal that she answers the call to be able to heal Yuuri - and others. We should want to see a more functional, more civilized version of Anri. Trying to keep her anti-magic bound 'forever' is too much a price for us to pay, and will likely lead to her early death.

We are still missing the point with Hijiri? Does that matter?

Since we did do the search, at least get all the data. By moving the sensor in relation to the environment, neat indirect stuff can be measured. So, send a soloton wave down the ribbons, or have a radial shift of the whole grid over some small angle to create the motion. Might wind up showing us passive landscape magical features, or prove otherwise useful. Can we see the Incubators? Dead spots will contrast well, too. And if hers is conceptual camouflage, it won't stop us from thinking about the spot, only from equating the spot with our quarry. Not really expecting she's in range, but we may need this combi in the future... and Mami likes this one.
 
Can I get some more votes?
Adhoc vote count started by Muramasa on Jan 18, 2018 at 8:19 PM, finished with 131726 posts and 7 votes.

  • [X] Thank Oriko for her work.
    [X] Propose plan, ask for ideas, discuss, decide things as a group.
    -[X] Use Privacy Sphere whenever needed.
    -[X] Include Homura through telepathy. Quick update.
    [X] Plan:
    [X] Anri is to be imprisoned at Oriko's home.
    -[X] Keeping her away from the Pleiades helps not-aggravating her issues.
    -[X] This can be temporary or permanent.
    [X] Security measures will be developed.
    -[X] Permanent Anti-Magic enchantment.
    -[X] Tracking enchantment.
    [X] Oriko and Sabrina will keep trying to talk with her.
    [X] Oriko's negotiation with Anri, ensuring cooperation:
    -[X] Inviting her to help in de-Witching Yuuri.
    -[X] Let her make reasonable demands about her living arrangements.
    [X] Hijiri:
    -[X] We can't find her. Offer to fly around.
    -[X] For better safety, offer to make a Grief Sensing device, to be copied.
    [X] Return the Memory Device.
    [X] 'Return' the Derrick Witch Seed instead of Arzt Kochen.
    [X] Thank Oriko for her work.
    [X] Consult with Oriko and in privacy sphere. Invite Niko, but don't push.
    -[X] Get a full report of what Oriko and Anri discussed.
    -[X] Ask for ideas for how we should handle Anri's confinement. Could she be involved in dewitching Yuuri? How to prevent infobombs? Will Pleiades object to Mitakihara taking custody?
    -[X] If consensus reached, leave privacy bubble, else, break to voting.
    [X] Pleiades:
    -[X] You couldn't sense Hijiri. Keep trying?
    --[X] Offer to let Kazumi copy whatever she thinks will help.
    -[X] Return the Memory Device. Offer to clear the Derrick Witch Seed in lieu of Arzt Kochen.
    -[X] Discuss Anri.
    --[X] Who's going to mind her? Offer Mitakihara's help.
    -[X] Security measures. Tracking and anti-magic enchantments.
    -[X] Ask for ideas. Listen to opinions. Modify plans as needed.
    [X] Telepathy Homura, update ask advice
    [X] Telepathy Hijiri
    -[X] talk to us later.
    -[X] where are you sleeping tonight
    -[X] everyone deserves good treatment
    -[X] vicious cycle, both sides are scared. We can help both sides feel safer.
    -[X] Mami serves cake that you must try sometime
    [X] Oriko praise now
    -[X] Thanks so much! How did you deal with burden?
    -[X] You do that so much better than me!
    -[X] Go into privacy to talk details
    --[X] How can you use me to get this concluded and stable?
    --[X] We need to talk about her daily life - Pleiades consult?
    --[X] Anri has some history with Hijiri. Want that analyzed!
    [X] Anri intention dialogues
    -[X] What do you think happens next?
    -[X] Where are you living, and with who?
    [X] Choose revenge, or choose Yuuri.
    -[X] make us believe having you help us get her back isn't a mistake
 
I'm not sure sending Oriko to live in another city is the best idea. Keep in mind that Oriko always died in her visions while we weren't around...
I think it's worth broaching at the least.

There is a point after which Clear Seeds are no longer useful, but that point is one Seed per girl. Right now they have one Seed for seven girls. And we took Arzt Kochen from them on the basis that we were going to use it to make another Clear Seed. We owe them a Seed back.
1: As of now the Saints have two clear seeds, not one.
2: We need Aurora back to continue our research. In order to do so, O&K need a replacement. Every other seed we have on us is earmarked for an experiment.
Adhoc vote count started by Firnagzen on Jan 19, 2018 at 7:40 PM, finished with 131755 posts and 13 votes.

  • [X] Thank Oriko for her work.
    [X] Consult with Oriko and in privacy sphere. Invite Niko, but don't push.
    -[X] Get a full report of what Oriko and Anri discussed.
    -[X] Ask for ideas for how we should handle Anri's confinement. Could she be involved in dewitching Yuuri? How to prevent infobombs? Can we (Oriko/Kirika inclusive) help with containment?
    -[X] If consensus reached, leave privacy bubble, else, break to voting.
    [X] Pleiades:
    -[X] You couldn't sense Hijiri. Keep trying?
    --[X] Offer to let Kazumi copy whatever she thinks will help.
    -[X] Return the Memory Device. Offer to clear the Derrick Witch Seed in lieu of Arzt Kochen.
    -[X] Discuss Anri.
    --[X] Who's going to mind her? Offer Mitakihara's help.
    -[X] Security measures. Tracking and anti-magic enchantments.
    -[X] Ask for ideas. Listen to opinions. Modify plans as needed.
    [X] Thank Oriko for her work.
    [X] Propose plan, ask for ideas, discuss, decide things as a group.
    -[X] Use Privacy Sphere whenever needed.
    -[X] Include Homura through telepathy. Quick update.
    [X] Plan:
    [X] Anri is to be imprisoned at Oriko's home.
    -[X] Keeping her away from the Pleiades helps not-aggravating her issues.
    -[X] This can be temporary or permanent.
    [X] Security measures will be developed.
    -[X] Permanent Anti-Magic enchantment.
    -[X] Tracking enchantment.
    [X] Oriko and Sabrina will keep trying to talk with her.
    [X] Oriko's negotiation with Anri, ensuring cooperation:
    -[X] Inviting her to help in de-Witching Yuuri.
    -[X] Let her make reasonable demands about her living arrangements.
    [X] Hijiri:
    -[X] We can't find her. Offer to fly around.
    -[X] For better safety, offer to make a Grief Sensing device, to be copied.
    [X] Return the Memory Device.
    [X] 'Return' the Derrick Witch Seed instead of Arzt Kochen.
    [X] Telepathy Homura, update ask advice
    [X] Telepathy Hijiri
    -[X] talk to us later.
    -[X] where are you sleeping tonight
    -[X] vicious cycle, both sides scared. We can help both sides feel safer.
    -[X] Come try cake sometime
    [X] Oriko praise
    [X] Group feedback / ideas about Anri's captivity.
    -[X] break to Privacy, get Niko(?) and us synced with Oriko before Anri questioning
    --[X] Want useful, thorough interview. Oriko leads. Detective style, try to understand Anri.
    --[X] Can Oriko use us to stabilize deal?
    --[X] Anri has history with Hijiri. Want analyzed!
    [X] Anri dialogue intentions
    -[X] What do you think happens next?
    -[X] Choose revenge, or choose Yuuri.
    -[X] make us believe having you help us get her back isn't a mistake
    [X] Pleiades - invite them to meet the immigrants, enjoy the MOFs for travel.
    -[X] Not sure about Hijiri. Avoid ATM. Ribbon Grid, shift or soloton grid to locate anomalies. Plot them.
 
[X] Thank Oriko for her work.
[X] Consult with Oriko and in privacy sphere. Invite Niko, but don't push.
-[X] Get a full report of what Oriko and Anri discussed.
-[X] Ask for ideas for how we should handle Anri's confinement. Could she be involved in dewitching Yuuri? How to prevent infobombs? Can we (Oriko/Kirika inclusive) help with containment?
-[X] If consensus reached, leave privacy bubble, else, break to voting.

[ ] Fill Homura in.
-[ ] Her thoughts on Airi?

((I'm not 100% sure on this change - it seems like it'll be a very involved conversation, so either it should be expanded on and take up the rest of the vote, or it should happen next update. Thoughts?))


[X] Pleiades:
-[X] You couldn't sense Hijiri. Keep trying?
--[X] Offer to let Kazumi copy whatever she thinks will help.
-[X] Return the Memory Device. Offer to clear the Derrick Witch Seed in lieu of Arzt Kochen.
-[X] Discuss Anri.
--[X] Who's going to mind her? Offer Mitakihara's help.
-[X] Security measures. Tracking and anti-magic enchantments.
-[X] Ask for ideas. Listen to opinions. Modify plans as needed.
 
[ ] Fill Homura in.
-[ ] Her thoughts on Airi?

((I'm not 100% sure on this change - it seems like it'll be a very involved conversation, so either it should be expanded on and take up the rest of the vote, or it should happen next update. Thoughts?))
Mutitasking!


I think we can fill Homu in while talking with the Pleiades. Better she gets updated now, if we need to ask her opinion later.
 
Mutitasking!


I think we can fill Homu in while talking with the Pleiades. Better she gets updated now, if we need to ask her opinion later.

I haven't been impressed with our multitasking when it comes to conversations, recently. It's probably an artifact of how difficult it is to write two simultaneous dialogues while remaining understandable, but still. That said, if the general thread consensus is to go for a simultaneous conversation, I'll X it in and expand on it.
 
((I'm not 100% sure on this change - it seems like it'll be a very involved conversation, so either it should be expanded on and take up the rest of the vote, or it should happen next update. Thoughts?))
If we either leave Oriko and Kirika here or bring Airi back with us, then we will probably need Homura's approval to keep her from losing her shit when she finds out.

If we don't do either of those things, then she probably doesn't care about any of this.
 
I haven't been impressed with our multitasking when it comes to conversations, recently. It's probably an artifact of how difficult it is to write two simultaneous dialogues while remaining understandable, but still. That said, if the general thread consensus is to go for a simultaneous conversation, I'll X it in and expand on it.
We're just talking here, we have all brain power available, and we've had multiple conversations at once plenty of times.

We don't need a description of the whole talk with Homu, anyway, since it's mostly telling her what happened.
 
Maybe it's saying that Mami isn't a baked good and as such isn't eaten by Charlotte in this timeline?
 
The thing is, even with Mami's known baking proclivities, it's not as if people keep trying to start discussions about cakes here, so... WTF?
 
[X] Onmur

The tag could be referencing an example of off topic discussion that came up in a different thread, but is being used to reference other examples of off topic discussion to limit the number of different tags that mean the same thing.
 
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