Well it does make sense to go for a low-risk experiment to refine some necessary/relevant science for dewitching. Plus, being able to make clone bodies will be handy for any Magical Girl who lost their body. That, and going for a souled clone would easily let a Magical Girl pretend to be normal to anyone trying to drag her into something. Finally, giving Kazumi a "sister" would be highly amusing to watch.
 
Well it does make sense to go for a low-risk experiment to refine some necessary/relevant science for dewitching. Plus, being able to make clone bodies will be handy for any Magical Girl who lost their body. That, and going for a souled clone would easily let a Magical Girl pretend to be normal to anyone trying to drag her into something. Finally, giving Kazumi a "sister" would be highly amusing to watch.

Creating a new body is the easy part: Niko should be able to reconstruct one out of just about any tissue sample.
 
Then why pose it as an argument against that portion of my concerns? "We could do this thing to solve this problem, but won't," doesn't make any sense.
My point was that we'd use our Grief sense; invisibility doesn't matter.

My secondary point, to enhance the first one, is that if we do use witch constructs, they should be sense amplifiers since, again, that's pretty hax.

I felt the fact we'd most likely not tie up all our concentration for extended periods of time while flying with a troubled captive was obvious. Not 100% not happening; e.g., maybe Sabrina suddenly feels a Sense Booster would be quick and easy to make, and does it. It could theoretically happen.

(Though I think the Booster we made that one time did take some time to make.)
 
I'd assume that "don't get backstabbed" precludes anything that'd require a trance, so I was specifying mundane SCIENCE-type grief constructions only.
 
[X] Redshirt Army

Because why not vote in a fanciful manner? I want to see if it affects Sabrina's speech or anything too :V

(Other commentary, hopefully Vebyast isn't overestimating Hijiri's rationality. That sort of detached assessment of your odds at something seems relatively uncommon in human decision making.)
 
The Phoenixian said:
For what purpose did you construct this thread? Satisfying mere curiosity is illogical, as you keep saying. I won't believe you went to such lengths just to confirm that Godwinson exists. You intend to control them, don't you?!

I won't deny that controlling shitposts was the end goal we had in mind. Though it would have been a very long and difficult endeavour - after all, this phenomenon has been a complete mystery to us. We can't interfere with something when we can't interact with its existence.

Of course, if we could just observe it, we'd be able to comprehend it. And if we could comprehend it... We'd be able to control it.

Our research would allow us to conquer the "Law of Godwin" completely someday. At that point, we could turn thread participants into shitposters, and collect vast amounts of tears, all at once. The phase change between constructive discussion and thread anarchy... The volume of outrage that is created between those two states is far beyond anything we had imagined.

Truly, shitposting holds the key to limitless opportunities. All thread participants should fulfill their destinies by becoming shitposters!

This is the purpose of this isolation barrier, "Puella Magi Adfligo Systema"!
 
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Kill. It.
Kill it with fire!
Where is Homura?
Why is there an Incubator farming us for tears and shitposts in this thread?
Where have we gone wrong?
 
I don't know which to vote for, so I shan't.

Additionally, I have a question. Given we have - presumably - saved Kazumi from her canon fate, does that not mean that we effectively terminatored the protagonist of the manga? We stopped her from ever being made?

That's sad.

Kazumi Subaru would be absolutely on board with her existence being retgonned. The world in which she exists is a world where her friends suffer in ways she can't bear to even think about.

She'll just chill with Madokami in Non-Existant Astral Space.
 
Well it does make sense to go for a low-risk experiment to refine some necessary/relevant science for dewitching. Plus, being able to make clone bodies will be handy for any Magical Girl who lost their body. That, and going for a souled clone would easily let a Magical Girl pretend to be normal to anyone trying to drag her into something. Finally, giving Kazumi a "sister" would be highly amusing to watch.
I'm not comfortable creating sentient lifeforms. Unless we're dead certain we know what we're doing, the results could easily be evil or an pile of organs in continuous pain. We could probably science our way out of the latter with animal trials, but the former could be hard to detect. And evil is a distinct possibility, given how our powerset works and the possibility that all Feathers needs is an appropriate vessel to incarnate into the world. Which is also a reason that I'm a little leery of magicking up a body. A scienced-up body is a little less risky, but real science is hard and time-consuming.

Also, jumping on the bandwagon:

[x] Vebyast
 
I won't deny that controlling shitposts was the end goal we had in mind. Though it would have been a very long and difficult endeavour - after all, this phenomenon has been a complete mystery to us. We can't interfere with something when we can't interact with its existence.

Of course, if we could just observe it, we'd be able to comprehend it. And if we could comprehend it... We'd be able to control it.

Our research would allow us to conquer the "Law of Godwin" completely someday. At that point, we could turn thread participants into shitposters, and collect vast amounts of tears, all at once. The phase change between constructive discussion and thread anarchy... The volume of outrage that is created between those two states is far beyond anything we had imagined.

Truly, shitposting holds the key to limitless opportunities. All thread participants should fulfill their destinies by becoming shitposters!

This is the purpose of this isolation barrier, "Puella Magi Adfligo Systema"!
I never asked for this shitposting!

You may not know, anymore but "I want thoughtful debate in an interesting story!" This was the prayer that once made me a PMAS poster.

If the alternative is to allow you to annoy Godwinson...

I'd rather shitpost at you!
Kazumi Subaru would be absolutely on board with her existence being retgonned. The world in which she exists is a world where her friends suffer in ways she can't bear to even think about.

She'll just chill with Madokami in Non-Existant Astral Space.
... Sure, okay, but can we still still look for excuses to clone Kazumi anyways?
 
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Adhoc vote count started by Redshirt Army on Dec 2, 2017 at 3:17 PM, finished with 129762 posts and 23 votes.

  • [X] Simultaneously: Homura, Nadia, Sayaka
    -[X] Apologize to Nadia for being a bad host.
    -[X] Explain the situation.
    -[X] Don't let her try to help - You have it under control and the girls she's bringing need peace and quiet more than anything.
    [X] Simultaneously: Oriko
    -[X] Implement Mami's suggestion - explain your problem, ask for some seer mysteriosity.
    [X] Simultaneously: Hijiri
    -[X] Goals
    --[X] Be empathybrina
    --[X] Get Hijiri thinking constructively about her future. Good therapy and will discourage short-sighted backstab attempts.
    -[X] Potential specifics:
    --[X] Ask her what she's thinking about.
    --[X] Help her think about what she wants to do with her life.
    [X] Simultaneously: Mami ribbons!
    -[X] Goals
    --[X] Find Yuuri first - the less Pleiades exposure the better.
    --[X] Soul-snugggles with mami <3
    --[X] Don't get backstabbed.
    -[X] Potential specifics:
    --[x] Possible sensors:
    ---[x] Grief Sense + Witch Names
    ---[x] Counter-invis: Hyperspectral camera, find apparently-causeless footprints+thermals.
    ---[x] Synthetic aperture passive sonar using microphones along ribbons, listen for heartbeats/roofhopping.
    [X] Simultaneously: Homura, Nadia, Sayaka
    -[X] Apologize to Nadia for being a bad host.
    -[X] Explain the situation.
    -[X] Don't let her try to help - You have it under control and the girls she's bringing need peace and quiet more than anything.
    [X] Simultaneously: Oriko
    -[X] Implement Mami's suggestion - explain your problem, ask for some seer mysteriosity.
    [X] Simultaneously: Hijiri
    -[X] Goals
    --[X] Be empathybrina
    --[X] Get Hijiri thinking constructively about her future. Good therapy and will discourage short-sighted backstab attempts.
    -[X] Potential specifics:
    --[X] Ask her what she's thinking about.
    --[X] Help her think about what she wants to do with her life.
    [X] Simultaneously: Mami ribbons!
    -[X] Goals
    --[X] Find Yuuri first - the less Pleiades exposure the better.
    --[X] Soul-snugggles with mami <3
    --[X] Don't get backstabbed.
    [X] Comunicate at once, with clock, knight, and travelers.
    -[X] Apologize profusely to your incoming ambassadors.
    --[X] An explanation of events is quite overdue.
    ---[X] Don't beg of them for help - It'd knock things askew.
    [X] Concomitantly, as these events transpire:
    -[X] Implement wise suggestion - of the seer help inquire.
    [X] As plans come to fruition, make the main point of your cognition:
    -[X] To help the copy think about her mission, and to of her thoughts make true admission.
    --[X] In words and deeds remain all-loving
    ---[X] And through rapport avoid base cunning
    [X] And finally, simultaneously
    -[X] With singing heart joyously
    --[X] Find the vengeful wraith with true love's embrace
    ---[X] And follow the flower's elan, poise, and grace
 
I so wanna see what will happen if Redshirt Army wins
But
Must resist
We mustn't start serenading in the middle of a crisis
However awesome that would be.
 
I'm not comfortable creating sentient lifeforms. Unless we're dead certain we know what we're doing, the results could easily be evil or an pile of organs in continuous pain. We could probably science our way out of the latter with animal trials, but the former could be hard to detect. And evil is a distinct possibility, given how our powerset works and the possibility that all Feathers needs is an appropriate vessel to incarnate into the world. Which is also a reason that I'm a little leery of magicking up a body. A scienced-up body is a little less risky, but real science is hard and time-consuming.
It sounds like you're not going to be comfortable with dewitching as a whole, then, because human experimentation, creating/tampering with sentient/artificial lifeforms, and fucking around with people's very immortal souls is implicitly part of the process. We can't be totally certain with what we're doing, either, because what we want to do is to the best of our knowledge completely unprecedented, and we have only the most nebulous grasp of the theory: The people who got the closest had to work with trial-and-error experimentation, and a dozen evil clones is what they wound up with.

Fortunately, as I said, creating a human body is the easiest part, and as far as dewitching itself goes, a non-Euclidean mass of pure psychotic agony is our starting point, so it's not like we can really hurt a Witch more than it's already suffering. We should be working on low-risk experiments to suss out theory and procedure before Riona gets here, though, because we only know that she's a "soul expert" (whatever that means), and if she knew how to dewitch people quickly or easily, Kyuubey would have arranged a tragic accident for her a while ago.
 
Vebyast said:
I am so tempted to vote for Redshirt Army's masterpiece. I may, in fact, do so, simply to see what happens.

To put it bluntly, your swing vote is on a level beyond what should be theoretically possible. I'd like to know the reason why just as much as you do.

If you were to release your vote, you wouldn't just unleash a miracle - you might be able to bend the very rules of the thread itself. I can't even imagine why you alone have so much potential resting within you.

Just know, whatever you vote for, however absurd it might be... It'll definitely come true!
 
Fine.
Just so you know, people.
This can only end well.
[X] Redshirt Army
( yeah, I remember I'm on Vebyast's bandwagon anyway )
Firn, have mercy on our souls.
 
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