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[Q]Pay no attention to the Murderous Intent In Mami's Eyes
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That's a science proposal, not stuff for the current vote.
Yes, but Sabrina can't kiss Sabrina, so the current vote isn't helpful to PMAS
Madou Sutegobana
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Technically we could, in a number of ways, from creating a chibi to simply kissing the back of our hand. (Not to mention the more gruesome possibilities!)
The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
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Something that's been bugging me....
I'm getting a really sketchy feeling from Hijiri's responses so far. Something's not kosher here.
Her excuse for keeping up the memory field changes here. First she claims to not know how to turn it off, but then when we suggest that she just throw it away, she instead claims that she needs it to "protect" her. But protect her from what? It made sense to use it to hide, but now that she's caught, what's the point? If she's afraid of Niko, then what good is it? We've already told Niko where she is, so Niko can find her whether she has the field or not. So what's she actually afraid of?
I'm getting a really sketchy feeling from Hijiri's responses so far. Something's not kosher here.
Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
I think that that's enough evidence to convince me that we should be more actively trying to pick her story apart. I don't think that we want to let her know that we're on to her, both for information-warfare purpose and in case she's legit and just scared out of her mind.
What can we ask about that'd give us more information? Ask her to put us in telepathic contact with Yuuri, get independent stories and cross-reference them? Ask her for more details about Yuuri and see if we can find anything there? Ask her what her powers are, like we don't already know, and subtly lead the conversation to the relationship between powersets and wishes?
What can we ask about that'd give us more information? Ask her to put us in telepathic contact with Yuuri, get independent stories and cross-reference them? Ask her for more details about Yuuri and see if we can find anything there? Ask her what her powers are, like we don't already know, and subtly lead the conversation to the relationship between powersets and wishes?
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
I'm not sure how much time we've got before the Pleiades get here, and afterwards, there's gonna be some drama.
... Drama which might put Hijiri off balance.
If we ask questions then, it'll probably be harder for her to hide anything.
So... Mmm... I haven't got far enough into my PMKM re-read, so what was Hijiri's Wish, specifically? 'Connect' with the Pleiades, yadda yadday, what does that mean? What's the intent?
Since she's got their powers...
A possibility is that Hijiri's been using Yuuri; Yuuri broke into the lab, they didn't go in together.
Hijiri's claiming Yuuri was the one behind everything while Hijiri was using Yuuri instead.
Yuuri stole the Memory Device for Hijiri, and also likely took the Clear Seed without telling Hijiri about it. Hijiri doesn't know what a Clear Seed is.
(Hijiri stalling for time after we revealed the existence of the 'Clear Seed'
Now that we brought up Clear Seed theft, Hijiri pins it on Yuuri, then furthermore claims Yuuri is still dangerous, as to make us focus on Yuuri instead of her:
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Meanwhile... if Yuuri is Hijiri's pawn, then the one who was trailing Niko yesterday was Hijiri.
Can we leverage this somehow...?
About asking her to put us in contact with Yuuri, we can abuse multitasking to try and talk with both of them at once, so they can't get their stories straight.
Can we leverage this somehow...?
Well, actually, since she's throwing Yuuri under the bus, if we ask details about Yuuri, she will have to answer quite a bit, at least. We can ask how did they knock out Niko, for one.
About asking her to put us in contact with Yuuri, we can abuse multitasking to try and talk with both of them at once, so they can't get their stories straight.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
[X] Check Hijiri's Witch name when possible.
[X] Group telepathy: Yuuri might be behind this. Search must go on.
[X] Be empathetic Sabrina.
[X] We can't let her go until this is solved.
-[X] Apologize for that, and for scaring her. We're not after her, but after whomever attacked our friends. If she's saying the truth, that somebody is Yuuri.
-[X] Reassure her.
[X] Hijiri is not an experiment.
-[X] Explain how Niko cares for Hijiri in her own way; what she wanted for her, and how hurt she is right now.
-[X] Ask Hijiri to talk with Niko; offer your support.
[X] After this is over, we'd love to help her achieve that 'peaceful life'. It's why we made our Wish.
[X] Until the Pleiades arrive, ask about:
-[X] Yuuri: Details, powers, can she put us in contact?
-[X] Hijiri: Why/when did she Wish?
[X] Once the Pleiades arrive, be ready to step in if necessary. Keep things calm.
[X] Group telepathy: Yuuri might be behind this. Search must go on.
[X] Be empathetic Sabrina.
[X] We can't let her go until this is solved.
-[X] Apologize for that, and for scaring her. We're not after her, but after whomever attacked our friends. If she's saying the truth, that somebody is Yuuri.
-[X] Reassure her.
[X] Hijiri is not an experiment.
-[X] Explain how Niko cares for Hijiri in her own way; what she wanted for her, and how hurt she is right now.
-[X] Ask Hijiri to talk with Niko; offer your support.
[X] After this is over, we'd love to help her achieve that 'peaceful life'. It's why we made our Wish.
[X] Until the Pleiades arrive, ask about:
-[X] Yuuri: Details, powers, can she put us in contact?
-[X] Hijiri: Why/when did she Wish?
[X] Once the Pleiades arrive, be ready to step in if necessary. Keep things calm.
Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
And now that she's pinned it on Yuuri she can't turn us down.
Hmm. Slight issue, now that I'm seriously thinking about it - if Hijiri is the mastermind, her own telepathy still works and she's probably coaching Yuuri's responses right now. I figure... let Hijiri stay stressed out by conversation with Kazumi and Niko, we use multitasking to keep Yuuri too distracted to listen to Hijiri? Oh, and tell Yuuri things that'll throw Hijiri off when they're relayed to her by Yuuri, giving us observable evidence of collusion. I'm also tempted to ask Kazumi or Sayaka to slap Hijiri in a privacy bubble, though I think that that'd let her know that we're on to her.
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Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
How about... since we know one of them was trailing Niko, we ask them separately who was doing so, at the same time? If they're working together, and throw each other under the bus...
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IIRC, it was something like to be able to connect to others without them knowing, and burn their deaths into her eyes.
Except she's throwing Yuuri under the bus, which won't exactly encourage Yuuri to play along. You can still do Prisoner's Dilemma when the prisoner's can communicate, if they don't much trust each other.
Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
Any failure modes there? If Yuuri admits it we don't gain anything, though that also provides an avenue of questioning that leads into "who came up with the idea". If Hijiri admits it then... why would she have done that if she was trying to live a peaceful life?
Or, you know, Yuuri could just refuse to answer our questions, that's also a possibility.
Though that doesn't stop us from telling her that Hijiri told us she's the mastermind. Hmm. If she's really that dedicated to fucking with the Pleiades, I can see her claiming that she was the one in charge to give Hijiri an chance to get close to us? Those two actively working together to cause trouble is a really ugly thought.
edit: Yeah, we're thinking the same kind of thing - the prisoner's dilemma fails when the prisoners are allowed to and motivated to collude, which I think is a possibility here.
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Karnewarrior
Leastmost of the Hanged Man Arcana
Alright, a rewrite then? Karne is tossing his definitely-not-pyrite crown back into the ring...
[X] Telepathy
-[X] We need Kazumi and Niko at our position, but everyone else needs to remain on high alert; Yuuri is active and Hijiri is throwing her under the bus, which may or may not be the truth.
[X] While waiting for Kazumi and Niko to arrive
-[X] Empathetic Sabrina is Empathetic
-[X] e never meant to scare her, and Niko never meant for her to feel like an experiment
[X] Once Kazusa and Niko arrive:
-[X] Take them aside and very quietly explain to them what Hijiri said and how you don't really trust her
-[X] Even so, keep Kazumi or Niko from hurting Hijiri.
-[X] Group interrogation.
-[X] Dig into Hijiri's story like you're buying it, but keep an eye open for any holes in it.
-[X] Don't let Hijiri know you don't trust her implicitly.
-[X] Can she put us in contact with Yuuri?
I call it: Plan "Karne never receives votes"!
I say Brinapilot can handle talking Hijiri into a corner better than we can. We should just tell her to please try that - maybe coordinate with Mumi? Mumi is our Social expert after all...
[X] Telepathy
-[X] We need Kazumi and Niko at our position, but everyone else needs to remain on high alert; Yuuri is active and Hijiri is throwing her under the bus, which may or may not be the truth.
[X] While waiting for Kazumi and Niko to arrive
-[X] Empathetic Sabrina is Empathetic
-[X] e never meant to scare her, and Niko never meant for her to feel like an experiment
[X] Once Kazusa and Niko arrive:
-[X] Take them aside and very quietly explain to them what Hijiri said and how you don't really trust her
-[X] Even so, keep Kazumi or Niko from hurting Hijiri.
-[X] Group interrogation.
-[X] Dig into Hijiri's story like you're buying it, but keep an eye open for any holes in it.
-[X] Don't let Hijiri know you don't trust her implicitly.
-[X] Can she put us in contact with Yuuri?
I call it: Plan "Karne never receives votes"!
I say Brinapilot can handle talking Hijiri into a corner better than we can. We should just tell her to please try that - maybe coordinate with Mumi? Mumi is our Social expert after all...
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Right, the problem is that they can be talking right now.Any failure modes there? If Yuuri admits it we don't gain anything, though that also provides an avenue of questioning that leads into "who came up with the idea". If Hijiri admits it then... why would she have done that if she was trying to live a peaceful life?
Or, you know, Yuuri could just refuse to answer our questions, that's also a possibility.
Though that doesn't stop us from telling her that Hijiri told us she's the mastermind. Hmm. If she's really that dedicated to fucking with the Pleiades, I can see her claiming that she was the one in charge to give Hijiri an chance to get close to us? Those two actively working together to cause trouble is a really ugly thought.
edit: Yeah, we're thinking the same kind of thing - the prisoner's dilemma fails when the prisoners are allowed to and motivated to collude, which I think is a possibility here.
A Privacy Sphere would cut them off telepathy, but it's hard to justify without revealing our suspicions. Let's say we ask for a Privacy Sphere for the purposes of letting Niko and Hijiri talk privately.
Legitimate, but it would either cut us off the conversation... in which case Kazumi/Niko might blow up at Hijiri, or we'd have to butt our way in... in which case the conversation is no longer private, so why Privacy Sphere?
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We're the only one other than Niko who knows the circumstances of her wish, so we could have that excuse to be there. Anyway, there's no way we're leaving someone and their evil twin alone together where nobody can see them, that's just a recipe for shenanigans.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Karnewarrior
Leastmost of the Hanged Man Arcana
Two Nikos enter.
Two Kazumis leave.
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"..."
"...Oh seriously what the fuck."
...What color did we decide Kazumi was again?
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Right, I mentioned that yesterday, but I guess it kind of got lost in the noise. Also, still want to know what was up with the part where Hijiri says Yuuri's name and Saki is apparently confused. (Is this memory device really working the way we think?)
Appletank
Acquire Cheese
Maybe we should make a hologram projector so it can look like we're close without actually being close.
FlatlineAskari
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You know, the phrase 'experimental memory field' doesn't exactly inspire confidence in itself. Maybe we should just, like - laser it into inoperability, on the offchance that it's progressively screwing with her head?
E: After a warning, obviously
E: After a warning, obviously
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