I don't think we should promise Hitomi won't see any fighting. Promises bind us unnecessarily.

Would it be rude to just ask why she wanted to know if we were Magical Girls?

If you thought your daughter's friends had literal magic is there any conceivable world where you wouldn't try and confirm it?
 
I mean, I voted to ask what she wanted out of this conversation

seems like a reasonable thing to me
 
We could explain the refugees without needing to go into all the gory details if we want to. Magical girling makes it hard to have a regular schedule, as evidenced by only two of like thirty girls we know going to school. That and the lack of school itself should combine pretty well to explain why there are so many homeless meguca we want to take in, if we want to explain it that way.
I don't think we should promise Hitomi won't see any fighting. Promises bind us unnecessarily.
If the situation isn't one where her mom would understand us breaking that promise, we probably shouldn't be breaking it whether or not we actually make it.

Promises only actually bind Fae. For a human teenager in slightly more than casual conversation, it works as a general reassurance and statement of intent.
 
I wake up in the morning, and this thread is already several pages past 5000. Oh well.

PMAS is definitely one of my favorite quests ever, if not my favorite outright. It's been one hell of a ride, and may it continue to be.

Alas, if only it weren't a really bad time in-quest to celebrate the occasion.

How many quests does it take to break the system?

One, at Sufficient Velocity.
 
My problem with the other plans is that none of them have actual situational awareness. Sabrina's brain damage kicking in again.

We came over to Hitomi's to hang out & do homework. Hitommy tells us she's aware that we're magical girls, she seems almost amused by the situation, and you guys go from "Time to unwind" to "THE WORLD IS ENDING, WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE but maybe not cuz I'm pretty strong but still."

This does not have to become another dramatic, emotional scene where half the girls are crying by the end of it. Why are you so insistent on turning it into one at the first chance you get?
Hmm... I've had worries about my vote in this direction myself. I'll take this into advisement.

That said, Haruka is going to learn that we're trying to help other magical girls tonight, if she hasn't already. We did ask her, via proxy of Hitomi, to set up an apartment for two magical girls earlier today. They might well have spoken about that over dinner already, and if they haven't, they will soon.

That will be important to properly address.

[jk]Suddenly, inexplicable, become the devil.

[X] Tsuchiya sounds like she was good friend.
[X] Ask if she has any other reason for bring this up.

[X] Answer any questions she has honestly and in detail.
[X] Thank Mrs. Shizuki for sharing this with you. You actually wanted to talk with her, and other adults about this. Particularly girls' parents, once we run it by the girls themselves.
[X] Explain our goals. Give her the gist of most of it, but focus on aiding other magical girls.
- [X] Magical girls are often forced to be solitary which means that a proper support network is very important to magical girls. Especially emotional support.
--[X] We're trying to ensure Hitomi stays involved with her friends for that reason. She can't become a magical girl, but she can be there for her friends.

[x] Vote in abeyance.

[X] When you have a moment, Ask Kyuubey about Tsuchiya Ritsuko's status.

(150 words)
Goals, modified:

Find out why Hitommy was trying to talk to us anyways.
Fill Haruka in on what we're trying to do. (Focus on what we asked her for help with today)
(Set the stage to) Acquire Haruka's support in building a magical girl support network.
Give her cause to realize that Hitomi is safe without overemphasizing it.
Find out the status of Tsuchiya Ritsuko.

A lot of stuff has changed here. I've highlighted some of the more notable changes.

Magical girls being forced to be solitary is a notable inclusion, since it's the thought from which the need for having support network follows (along with, "magic is secret which creates a divide between meguca and muggles," not included here for space reasons.)
 
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What if she asks what happens when a Soul Gem gets full?

We say they die. Ideally having mentioned the existence of infohazards beforehand, for a later conversation where Mami isn't there.

Alternatively, warn Mami that this conversation may go into the secret we offered to tell her but she declined and ask if she wants to leave the room, having established the existence of things hazardous for Magical Girls to learn after contracting beforehand for Haruka.

Or plan C: If they don't die(Can equally refer to dying of a blackened gem and the possibility of the contactor still existing in the grief seed), they will wish they were dead(Magical Girls don't think straight with a blackened gem after all)
 
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Alternatively, warn Mami that this conversation may go into the secret we offered to tell her but she declined and ask if she wants to leave the room, having established the existence of things hazardous for Magical Girls to learn after contracting beforehand for Haruka.

I'm pretty only reason we're able to keep a handle on the infohazards is because the people we're protecting don't have the context clues to figure them out on their own. If Mami knows that something can happen when your Soul Gem fills up, and it's infohazardous, then... what? Can she choose not to think of the pink elephants?

If we clear Mami out, then it has to happen well ahead of time. Which is a problem.
 
What if she asks what happens when a Soul Gem gets full?
We tell her the magical girl dies. In a sense, the witch transformation kind of is a death; the only way we know of thus far to Dewitch somebody isn't resurrection but reincarnation, which reflects real life death pretty closely.

Anyway, the prophesied rewrite here.

[X] Tsuchiya sounds like she was good friend.
[X] Ask if she has any other reason for bring this up.
[X] Ask her if we can bring Hitomi in on the conversation

[X] Answer any questions she has honestly and in detail.
[X] Thank Mrs. Shizuki for sharing this with you. You actually wanted to talk with her, and other adults about this. Particularly girls' parents, once we run it by the girls themselves.
[X] Explain some of the problems Magical Girls face. Don't sugarcoat it, but don't get too grim about it either. Point out that it's a life that can be brutal, but we're here and we have the ability to start bringing them civilization.
[X] Explain our goals. Give her the gist of most of it, but focus on aiding other magical girls.
- [X] Magical girls are often forced to be solitary and when combined with the fact that actual grief creates grief in the gem, it means support networks are more important than ever.
--[X] We're trying to ensure Hitomi stays involved with her friends for that reason. She can't become a magical girl, but she can be there for her friends.

[x] Vote in abeyance.

[X] When you have a moment to yourself, contact Kyuubey and ask about Tsuchiya. If she's still alive, see if he'll tell her Haruka is still alive.
 
Let's talk about situational awareness. Point one: Haruka is a human being. We make some explanation. She will ask questions. What questions will she ask? How do we answer her questions? And where does the conversation end up overall?
[X] As nice as having actual magic is, becoming a magical girl requires sacrifices, few of which are explained upfront.
- [X] A proper support network is very important to magical girls. Especially emotional support.
[X] Explain our goals, especially as pertains to aiding magical girls.
[X] Explain further as requested.
Explanation: "There are sacrifices. A proper emotional support network is necessary. We plan to save the world. Any questions?"

Following questions: What sacrifices? Why is emotional support so much more necessary for magical girls? Why are magical girls hunting witches so hard that they have to drop out of school? What happens when you run out of Grief Seeds? Why does nobody share? Why does Kyubey keep contracting girls when there aren't enough Grief Seeds? How often to people actually run out of Grief Seeds and die?

If you're going to vote for a Q&A session, be ready to answer these questions.
I don't think it's either myself or Onmur is deliberately trying to keep Mrs. Shizuki in the dark here.
My proposal is absolutely a lecture or seminar; active, structured communication is far more efficient and far less error-prone for coherent lumps of information like this than reactive question-and-answer setups are. Especially on topics where the questioner will be liable to jump to emotionally charged conclusions, a questioner will often receive information out of order and without any structure that they could use to build a deeper understanding of the material. And that's assuming there aren't any out-of-left-field things they they couldn't even know to ask about, which are going to be everywhere here. So, yes, the cursory explanations with question-and-answer sessions that you're proposing are so likely to misinform her that they basically are votes to keep her in the dark.

Furthermore, particularly if we're operating this as a question-and-answer session, we cannot allow her to jump to conclusions. You just said that you think she's going to treat us like a stupid teenager; if she gets into the authority figure mood we're fucked. Doubly so if she hears something she doesn't like and changes from the mindset of asking for clarifications to the mindset of investigating a problematic situation. And that's not even counting an outcome where she decides that she's heard enough and calls the Kanames and the Mikis so they can all get to the bottom of things together. Oh, and then we're dealing with a rightfully enraged and emotionally crushed Homura.

So what do we do to avert this? We anticipate her questions and give extra explanation. When she asks leading questions we take the time to explain the context around the question instead of giving her an answer that'll lead her in the wrong direction. We give her answers that lead into useful questions. And we control the message so that she doesn't decide that it's time to switch to interrogation mode. In other words, we infodump, but with a massive handicap because we're trying to do it as an on-the-fly socratic dialogue rather than a well-composed talk.

Oh, and we're going to have to vote for all that shit. While she's interrogating us, while half the thread is advocating for ESTABLISHING DOMINANCE, and while Mami is freaking the fuck out because we can't tread delicately around the more hurtful topics without Haruka smelling a rat and going digging. No. Please no. I do not want to deal with those votes. I beg you.

Skip the summaries and just get straight to the infodumps. It's what we'll have to do anyway, it doesn't have the giant unguided Q&A minefield in the middle, and it will take two nice, active votes instead of four or six votes of pure vitriol and suffering.

Asking Mami to leave in this circumstance is basically the equivalent of shoeing the kids out of the room. Completely disregarding how it looks to Mami, It can be taken as rude, condescending, or disrespectful.
We're going to have to explain Kyubey. Mami has homework. I do not want her to have to bail on school again because she had a breakdown. You will also note that I asked Mami if she wanted to leave the room; that's a very different thing than asking her to leave the room.
We could explain the refugees without needing to go into all the gory details if we want to. Magical girling makes it hard to have a regular schedule, as evidenced by only two of like thirty girls we know going to school. That and the lack of school itself should combine pretty well to explain why there are so many homeless meguca we want to take in, if we want to explain it that way.
We're asking the parents to help us deal with stressed-out meguca and you want to specifically keep them in the dark about why being meguca is so psychologically stressful? Good luck.
 
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I haven't actually voted for my proposal because it's 230 words long and I need to do some distillation. ;__;

I'll have that up in a couple hours.
 
Actually, hold on. Serious worry.

There is a very real chance of Haruka connecting the right dots and accidentally witchbombing Mami. She doesn't even need to make the realization herself, she just needs to ask the right question.

This makes Vebyast's plan even more optimal once he pars it down, holy shit.
 

I'm not opposed, but if semantics and weasel-words count as honesty...

And that's not even counting an outcome where she decides that she's heard enough and calls the Kanames and the Mikis so they can all get to the bottom of things together.

Well, I'm not actually sure that's the worst outcome here --

-- but, oh God, Junko isn't ready to know she's a grandmother yet! :V

[X] Vebyast
 
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[Q] I'm afraid you know too much
-[Q]

-[Q] Some bunny guy has been spreading hoax about magical girls, that wasn't a really good lie wasn't it? Oh sod it. *flash*
--[Q] So what are we talking about again?
 
I'm... highly sceptical that going full speech mode is the right call, here.
Full speech mode is probably a bit over the top, and it was probably a slight misstep on my part when I was writing my vote. Bad surface details are a great way to make people assume that the core ideas is fundamentally misguided. I'm probably going to get the word count I need by falling back to a simple infodump and letting Brinapilot handle the rhetorical style and strategy. That said, I do believe that our next move is to compose a clear, relatively comprehensive infodump, wrap it up with a pretty bow, and drop it on Haruka so she's operating with all the information.


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[Q] I'm afraid you know too much
-[Q]

-[Q] Some bunny guy has been spreading hoax about magical girls, that wasn't a really good lie wasn't it? Oh sod it. *flash*
--[Q] So what are we talking about again?
...Yeah, I guess that there are outcomes even worse than crushing Homu's trust in us again. Calling in the bunnycat to wipe Haruka's memory of this conversation so we can take another shot at it would be, uh, pretty bad.
 
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Infodump sounds like an acceptable plan. Maybe not optimal, but acceptable, and I don't have any much better ideas.

I will note though that we can preface the entire dump by telling her it's a reasonably bland and long infodump and Mami has homework, giving us a convenient excuse to usher her out of the room. Then she can warn and SOCIAL Hitomi while we SOCIAL Haruka without risking her being witchbombed, nobody is the wiser, and Hitomi is warned before her mother crashes into the room with DON'T YOU BE A MAGICAL GIRL YOUNG LADY!
 
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