Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
Ah, I forgot to delete that half of my post.
Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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- Location
- Actually pretty lost
...Yeah okay, fair enough.
Sole Purpose
Clueless
- Location
- Spread Across Several Miles
If Hitommy knows about meguca, she probably found out rather recently. Most likely after we asked kyubey not to do the mind-wiping anymore. Assuming that is the case, she probably knows little to nothing about what life as a meguca entails. So we will probably have to tell her basically everything.
Karnewarrior
Leastmost of the Hanged Man Arcana
I'll change it to be less grimdark, but I won't whitewash it entirely; We don't need Hitommy trying to pressure her not-a-potential daughter into being a magical girl because she thinks it's all fluff.
What do you think - Sailor Moon "I fight a lot and it's dangerous but I get to save the world with my friends"? or Nanoha "World-destroying monsters are a weekly occurrence but I'm strong enough to handle things"?
Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
- Pronouns
- She/Her
PMAS "The world's pretty much a shithole but I'm gonna use it as fertilizer"
Motile Mollusc
Bitten by a radioactive were-tilde
- Location
- Here
I have to wonder where children come in. We have the (unverified) statement that adults come about from teenagers, yet we know from Sabrina that teenagers appear fully formed in alleys. Do adults become children? Are children a separate species living symbiotically or parasitically with the teen->adult species?
Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
She talks about being a teenager, implying that that was her first interaction with the system and that she knows that adults don't interact with the system very often.
That's another point in favor of her knowing that being meguca is suffering, actually; never seeing older magical girls has to be concerning. Unless she has an alternate explanation of some sort, in which case her information is so twisted that we need to figure it out before we can safely proceed with basically anything.
I think that, if we find out that she thinks it's all fluff, we break to a vote and give it the full attention it deserves, rather than attempting to shoehorn it in as a subvote where it has to share time with everything else. We'd be starting from basically the same point that we would be if we were coming at her cold to ask her for economic and logistical support, since a muggle concept of magical girls would basically be sailor moon type sparkles.
Torg has roughly the right idea, however: The world sucks, but we can make it not suck. Use technical vocabulary and maintain an academic distance so that she maintains the capacity for rational thought rather than panicking about her daughter and her friends. So, instead of talking about how magical girls fight for scraps of food on the floor but all eventually starve to death or are killed by competitors, we talk about scarcity, game theoretic coordination problems, malthusian catastrophes, races to the bottom, and the goddamn rat. Then bounce straight into our own ridiculous powerset.
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Always Happening
We could have prevented this.
- Location
- On a train with no brakes
>Firn says 'stop shadowrunning'
>panic, shadowrun even harder
何それ
>panic, shadowrun even harder
何それ
Clearly, we should interrogate Tatsuya.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
OK... weird.
[X] Sober up. This is serious, yet good.
-[X] Confirm her suspicions; offer to explain as best as you can.
[X] Talk about Hitomi's situation, her not being a Potential, and how she took the magic reveal.
-[X] Then talk about your group, and how you've been trying to dissuade Contracts.
-[X] Hitomi won't lose any of her friends if we can help it. And we can.
[X] On that note, thank Mrs. Shizuki for talking with you.
-[X] Subtly apologize to Mami. Share the fact you've been planning to tell adults about magic, because:
-[X] Magical Girls are systematically cut off from their support network, with the intent of causing psychological problems.
-[X] To be blunt, we need help. Share your unique Wish and your plan to help Magical Girls everywhere.
[X] Sober up. This is serious, yet good.
-[X] Confirm her suspicions; offer to explain as best as you can.
[X] Talk about Hitomi's situation, her not being a Potential, and how she took the magic reveal.
-[X] Then talk about your group, and how you've been trying to dissuade Contracts.
-[X] Hitomi won't lose any of her friends if we can help it. And we can.
[X] On that note, thank Mrs. Shizuki for talking with you.
-[X] Subtly apologize to Mami. Share the fact you've been planning to tell adults about magic, because:
-[X] Magical Girls are systematically cut off from their support network, with the intent of causing psychological problems.
-[X] To be blunt, we need help. Share your unique Wish and your plan to help Magical Girls everywhere.
Sole Purpose
Clueless
- Location
- Spread Across Several Miles
[X] Onmur
Zeroth Jupi
Sporadic Writer and Haver of Ideas
- Location
- Somewhere
- Pronouns
- He/She/They
[X] Onmur
- Location
- London, 1935. August.
- Pronouns
- She/Her
I'm thinking we need to open with something to the effect of "just to make sure we're on the same page..." because...that's how you open any conversation about a topic you really expected to be too obscure for the other person to know about. Obviously, thanks to WOG, we know she knows about meguca, so it doesn't have to be vague or anything. It could just be "Oh? How do you know about it?" But it would be good to find out what she knows and how familiar she is with magical girls before we try to either explain things she already knows and possibly come off as condescending or assume she knows more than she does and make her more worried than she already is.
The suggestion about not being the only magical girls she's known is probably our best direction so far, but it might be a little too specific (depending on the way we ask it). If she's just learned about it in passing, or has been specifically kept in the dark by who or whatever clued her in to the harsher parts of meguca life, then it might be bad to clearly imply that knowing about magical girls = bad things. If she is aware of the more upsetting parts (which seems most likely, even if she's never specifically lost a friend) implying good things suggests that you're naive and/or insane, so that should be avoided (not that there's any good reason to do that anyway). The safest route is something neutral, like "how much do you know about magical girls?" Or, I guess, a version of the "not the only magical girls" option that's pitched to sound mostly curious as opposed to trying to be comforting right off the bat.
Also, first post on SV! I just read the entire quest over the last...three days?
The suggestion about not being the only magical girls she's known is probably our best direction so far, but it might be a little too specific (depending on the way we ask it). If she's just learned about it in passing, or has been specifically kept in the dark by who or whatever clued her in to the harsher parts of meguca life, then it might be bad to clearly imply that knowing about magical girls = bad things. If she is aware of the more upsetting parts (which seems most likely, even if she's never specifically lost a friend) implying good things suggests that you're naive and/or insane, so that should be avoided (not that there's any good reason to do that anyway). The safest route is something neutral, like "how much do you know about magical girls?" Or, I guess, a version of the "not the only magical girls" option that's pitched to sound mostly curious as opposed to trying to be comforting right off the bat.
Also, first post on SV! I just read the entire quest over the last...three days?
Motile Mollusc
Bitten by a radioactive were-tilde
- Location
- Here
It's possible she/hypothetical adult muggle assumes there are older magical girls, but having been at it longer they're better at hiding it and/or they aren't stuck in the high population density education system, where there are more people to notice slip ups, to befriend/tell and which actually tries to keep track of people for much of the day.
UbeOne
Daydreaming CPU
- Location
- Philippines
- Pronouns
- She/Her
When I first binged the quest, I couldn't stop reading too...
Welcome to SV and Sabrina's Head!
Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
She has to have stopped participating in megucaing intentionally; as we've just seen, there's nothing stopping her from getting involved if she sees a meguca fight out on the street or something. Aaaaaand she probably sees it every time a magical girl hops over her on the rooftops? Unless Kyubey is only partially mindwiping her, leaving behind her memories of teenage megucaing but removing any new observations...? Which'd be really fucking weird and I have no idea what the motivation for that would be.
She was exposed as a teenager, deeply enough to know about the rings, but not so deeply as to have made friends with any magical girls. That's weird all by itself.
Maybe she started out knowing a magical girl, but they went bad enough before dying that she doesn't feel like it was a loss?
Maybe she was a yakuza princess, a meguca broke the masquerade to her as part of business as usual, and Kyubey didn't mindwipe her afterward for... reasons? She was already planning to keep the masquerade up and he didn't need to? Maybe there's a clued-in meguca support network out there? No, Kyubey would've stomped that flat in no time.
I think it's more likely than not that she knows that being meguca is suffering, but I don't feel safe moving forward with that, nor do I see any reason to. I think that I'd like a short update; we only need a couple paragraphs. We do need to get a ton of tone-setting done in those three paragraphs, though, so full vote. :/
[x] Image: Friendly, responsible, professional adult. You can drop the image later if you don't need it, but dropping it is far easier than building it.
[x] That makes things easier. You were planning to talk to her about it tonight if you got the chance.
[x] Confirm megucaness.
[x] Find out roughly what her perception is of magical girls and what her goal is in talking to you. You don't need much.
-[x] Don't imply any more danger than she's expecting, but give proper consideration to what she knows about. Scaring her would be just as bad as failing to take things seriously. You can realign her expectations once you know what they are.
Just a quick update, please, and then we can move on without having to argue about core facts.
She was exposed as a teenager, deeply enough to know about the rings, but not so deeply as to have made friends with any magical girls. That's weird all by itself.
Maybe she started out knowing a magical girl, but they went bad enough before dying that she doesn't feel like it was a loss?
Maybe she was a yakuza princess, a meguca broke the masquerade to her as part of business as usual, and Kyubey didn't mindwipe her afterward for... reasons? She was already planning to keep the masquerade up and he didn't need to? Maybe there's a clued-in meguca support network out there? No, Kyubey would've stomped that flat in no time.
I think it's more likely than not that she knows that being meguca is suffering, but I don't feel safe moving forward with that, nor do I see any reason to. I think that I'd like a short update; we only need a couple paragraphs. We do need to get a ton of tone-setting done in those three paragraphs, though, so full vote. :/
[x] Image: Friendly, responsible, professional adult. You can drop the image later if you don't need it, but dropping it is far easier than building it.
[x] That makes things easier. You were planning to talk to her about it tonight if you got the chance.
[x] Confirm megucaness.
[x] Find out roughly what her perception is of magical girls and what her goal is in talking to you. You don't need much.
-[x] Don't imply any more danger than she's expecting, but give proper consideration to what she knows about. Scaring her would be just as bad as failing to take things seriously. You can realign her expectations once you know what they are.
Just a quick update, please, and then we can move on without having to argue about core facts.
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Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
I'm trying of ways to imrpove what I'm voting for. Given the concerns about how to vote for a complicated conversation, can we express our intent more generally, so Firn could have more leeway in his writing?
For example:
[ ] Sober up. Be open, reasuring, informative, inquisitive, respectful. This is good.
[ ] First priority: Explaining Hitomi's situation and reassuring Mrs. Shizuki.
[ ] Second priority: Segue into your/Hitomi's group of friends.
[ ] Third priority: Segue into your plans to expand everyone's support network, including telling adults about magic, and getting help from adults in order to help Magical Girls.
-[ ] Be apologetic to Mami for not breaching this subject with her first.
-[ ] Thank Mrs. Shizuki for talking with you about this.
For example:
[ ] Sober up. Be open, reasuring, informative, inquisitive, respectful. This is good.
[ ] First priority: Explaining Hitomi's situation and reassuring Mrs. Shizuki.
[ ] Second priority: Segue into your/Hitomi's group of friends.
[ ] Third priority: Segue into your plans to expand everyone's support network, including telling adults about magic, and getting help from adults in order to help Magical Girls.
-[ ] Be apologetic to Mami for not breaching this subject with her first.
-[ ] Thank Mrs. Shizuki for talking with you about this.
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Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
I'm still somewhat worried that going straight into reassurances will be pulling the rug out from under her; if we need to break that to her I'd prefer to do so in a far more controlled fashion. The earlier point about the importance of everyone being on the same page was a good one.
The Phoenixian
The Glacier Witch
- Location
- My own little world
Yeah, I think Onmur has it
[X]Onmur
[X]Onmur
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
To be honest, as long as we're not... Sabrina levels of blunt (
), it doesn't change that we want her to know a lot of things, so we should still talk about all those things, and clarify and explain if she doesn't understand.
Script Mak3r
(Verified Sun God) (Verified Feathers)
- Location
- Hell of Blazing Fires
- Pronouns
- She/Her
[Q] Tell Hitommy and Mami that you need to take care of something urgent.
-[Q] Go to the Kaname abode and ask Tatsuya where children come from.
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
[X]Onmur