Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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Motile Mollusc
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[] Get decision paralysis and let Mami do the talking
-[] If this somehow fails, witchout for social skills.
-[] If this somehow fails, witchout for social skills.
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I want to ask her to bring her mother in on the secret - I expect her to agree, and especially expect her to agree when we lay out our reasoning - but I mostly want to a) give her a heads-up that this is happening, b) not make the decision without even consulting her, because it's her mom and that would be super rude, c) ask her how best to break it to her mother since she's known her her whole life and we've literally just met the woman, and d) get input/help on asking for aid for exactly the same reasons.
Torgamous
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There was no attempt. I grew up in the Before Time and have yet to internalize tagging as a social expectation. I apologize for the perceived slight, but it was accidental.
We're bringing in outsiders because 1. it generally actually does help for parents to know what their kids are going through and 2. because we ourselves are a gamechanger. Walpurgisnacht is a speedbump.
Diomedea
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Some people think that bringing Hitomi's mother in on the meguca-ing without even informing her or having her present would be overstepping our bounds. Some go so far as to say that if Hitomi forbids it we shouldn't tell Hitomi's mother. I don't think it's actually all that relevant to the current vote, and think it's distracting from the actual issue.
Torgamous
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I'd like to agree, but we can't be sure until the voting actually starts.
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Alright, no worries then. From the outside it looked like you were trying to shittalk them and avoid giving them the chance to defend themselves, but I suppose if you're from older boards it's an easy enough mistake to make.
Hitomi's not going through anything, she's pretty much a bystander, and I do not agree with your assessment of Walpurgisnacht - I honestly expect the quest to end thereabouts.
It's only really relevant because if Hitomi's mother doesn't know about magic it will change the rest of the plan immediately after that revelation. If we really didn't care about it, it wouldn't matter if Shizuki actually knew about magic or not, we'd tell her right now anyway.
Considering Hitomi's mother is clearly already in on the secret, yes, you could certainly say that it's a distraction.
Subrosian_Smithy
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It wouldn't help on the microscale? Okay then.
In which case we only delay Hitomom's worries until after we tell her, and add in the additional worry that -- if Hitomi controls our dissemination of knowledge to Hitomom -- Hitomi might choose to keep secrets from Hitomom even then.
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If the meguca thought telling their families would help... they would already have done so? (Ask Kyouko how that turned out.) Hitomi and Madoka are special cases, since neither are actually meguca.
Sure. In the event that the fact that we valued her daughter's opinion on whether she should be brought in even registers on the scale of "Holy shit magic exists and it's awful in every way", I consider it less of an issue than going over Hitomi's head and barrelling straight in without even discussing it first. I'm not sure about your second part though - why wouldn't we and Hitomi be equally able to hide information from her whether we stop to ask Hitomi or not? She's clearly already been doing so up until this point.
We've only been cornered if she does know about magic! Literally, the vote would look like this (I nabbed @Onmur 's and added the point):
[] Politely ask her to clarify what she means by "Magical Girl", just to make she we avoid any unfortunate misunderstandings.
-[] If she's not actually talking about meguca, cancel the rest of this vote and consider how to respond to the actual topic of conversation.
[] Softly ask if she's lost someone.
-[] Offer condolences, if so.
[] Talk about Hitomi's situation, her not being a Potential, and how she took the magic reveal.
-[] Then talk about your group, and how you've been trying to dissuade Contracts.
-[] Hitomi won't lose any of her friends if we can help it. And we can.
[] On that note, thank Mrs. Shizuki for talking with you.
-[] Subtly apologize to Mami. Share the fact you've been planning to tell adults about magic, because:
-[] Magical Girls are systematically cut off from their support network, with the intent of causing psychological problems.
-[] To be blunt, we need help. Share your unique Wish and your plan to help Magical Girls everywhere.
Well, most teenagers wouldn't exactly know about this either.
Or is she talking about the hand holding thing? Kind of a nonsensical statement.Hn, didn't really see this one coming. Would be nice to have a trustworthy adult to confide in. And Sabrina was probably going to have to eventually talk to Hitomi's parents about what's coming. This simplifies things. But this also probably means telling her how Kirika pushed her down the stairs the broker her arm. Not so fun.
But she's Hitomi's mom. And Hitomi isn't even a magical girl. And she dragged Sabrina and Mami away to have a private conversation about magical girls. What.
But yeah, agreed.
Also, Haruka obviously knows about magical girls. Numerous little hints and the QM's comment afterwards. And why are people straight up asking if she lost someone out of blue?!
I'm more confused about this discussion then I was about Hitomi's mom knowing about magical girls.
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We aren't. We think she's probably talking about actual Magical Girls, we just don't see any harm - and potentially quite a lot of good - in adding a line to the vote to check, that will take 10 in-quest seconds to resolve. The argument's only come about because some people are arguing Shizuki's going to somehow take offense to an incredibly reasonable precaution.
Subrosian_Smithy
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...I am actually at a loss for words as to how ridiculous this evaluation seems to me. I can only assume that you've never had to come out of the closet, or known many people with that experience.
Kids hide stuff from their parents all of the goddamn time, regardless of how beneficial it would be to come clean. Even when it would be objectively beneficial to come clean.
If Kyoko was wrong in assuming that her father would accept her, then other meguca might be wrong in assuming that their parents wouldn't accept them.
kinigget
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Because it's less creepy than just straight-up saying "I'm sorry for your loss"
Never mind that it's still kinda weird and out of nowhere
So ask if her knowing means she previously knew a magical girl first. Followed up by maybe asking what happened to them, though even that might be slightly personal.
Geez, the weird ways you guys structure these conversations sometimes...
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That's fair! I don't think it would affect the current vote, but I could be wrong.
...Though I would point out that there's a large difference between "accept" and "help", or even "handle well". Given that your standard meguca's survival is directly linked to their emotional wellbeing, it's pretty much rolling a dice - if your parents accept and support you, great! If they don't accept it and try to "help" by preventing the girl from hunting, that's a big emotional blow - or if the meguca's unwilling to go against their parents, essentially a death sentence as they'll soon spiral. If the parent accepts it but is clearly miserable, that's not actually an improvement in the meguca's home life or emotional stability, so that's actively detrimental to their wellbeing too. All in all, I'd say it doesn't correlate properly to "coming out of the closet", and it's a gamble with bad - potentially lethal - odds.
kinigget
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That's my plan actually
Also:
I'm not worried about her taking offence
It's more that there really isn't a way ask that doesn't also confirm her suspicions
And also that there's enough context clues to make getting that confirmation superfluous
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That's fine! We can confirm all of her suspicions if she does know! The point is that if she doesn't know, which is unlikely, but still entirely possible, we find that out before we spill all of our beans! And then we talk about whatever she thinks "magical girl" actually refers to - if she's overheard the term from Hitomi, it could be lesbians or some kind of chunnibyou role-playing game, go out and talk to Hitomi, and then come back and break the news to her.
If she knows - no effect.
If she doesn't know - we find out before we make a fool of ourselves, and coordinate with Hitomi how best to break the news and ask for help.
Subrosian_Smithy
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No brain damage allowed, this is serious time.
Diomedea
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But she's Hitomi's mom. And Hitomi isn't even a magical girl. What.
Also, Haruka obviously knows about magical girls. Numerous little hints and the QM's comment afterwards. And why are people straight up asking if she lost someone out of blue?!
I'm more confused about this discussion then I was about Hitomi's mom knowing about magical girls.
My main point is that, yeah, she probably knows a lot about magical girls, but we should double check on what she knows and in what context (like, as an off the top of my head example, if she knows about magical girls from a not very close friend, and thus doesn't know how they're chosen and her main concern is we're trying to recruit Hitomi, it's a very different conversation.) so we can avoid misunderstandings and confusion when we talk to her about it.
It's not about not confirming her suspicions. It's about learning what those suspicions are, so we know what she thinks she knows, so we don't confuse her by assuming she knows details she doesn't actually know, or learn that she knows quite a bit, so we don't need to waste her time on certain things.
In the very unlikely case she thinks we're some secret larping society (pfft), we'd confirm those suspicions, but then we'd know the basis of her misconceptions, and could then decide on how best to clear it all up. I'm not all that seriously concerned about that scenario. I'm mostly concerned about her having an incomplete picture, and we assume she knows what we're talking about, and she assumes we know what she's talking about, when we're really talking past each other because she's filling in the magical girl picture from only knowing 60% of the facts.
kinigget
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You know what?
Screw it
[X] "We aren't the first Magical Girls you've known, are we?" Find out what she knows, but don't probe too hard.
[X] Confirm that you are magical girls, along with everyone but Madoka and Hitomi--though you hope it stays that way. Hitomi doesn't have the potential to become a magical girl, either. Madoka and Hitomi are both in the know, too.
[X] Address her concerns, and reassure her.
-[X] Strength, experience, and capability of your team.
-[X] Your specific power (Grief control)
-[X] Hitomi linked by telepathy, able to call for help at any time
-[X] Hitomi shows no desire or potential to contract.
[X] If the opportunity arises, bring up the subject of the incoming meguca refugees/immigrants, and the need to house them all.
Screw it
[X] "We aren't the first Magical Girls you've known, are we?" Find out what she knows, but don't probe too hard.
[X] Confirm that you are magical girls, along with everyone but Madoka and Hitomi--though you hope it stays that way. Hitomi doesn't have the potential to become a magical girl, either. Madoka and Hitomi are both in the know, too.
[X] Address her concerns, and reassure her.
-[X] Strength, experience, and capability of your team.
-[X] Your specific power (Grief control)
-[X] Hitomi linked by telepathy, able to call for help at any time
-[X] Hitomi shows no desire or potential to contract.
[X] If the opportunity arises, bring up the subject of the incoming meguca refugees/immigrants, and the need to house them all.
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