Even so, we should definitely take any opportunity to create a more independent Mami. So long as her PTSD compels her to remain with her "medication", we can't be 100% sure our feelings are reciprocated, regardless of how far we push things or even if Mami takes the initiative (although I admit that's unlikely to happen while she's still in such a mindset).

This doesn't mean that we have to throw her in the water and hope she swims, but it does mean we should talk to her about establishing a solid report with the rest of the team. In fact we should encourage the rest of the team hang out with one another outside of with us - or take note if it's already happening, which it might be.

We may be the leader of the Mitakihara Quartet-hopefully-soon-to-be-Group, but that doesn't mean the relationships with us are the only ones that matter. For Mami's mental health and also for anti-micromanagement reasons. Sayaka should feel that she can not only turn to us when she feels down or needs a question answered, but also that she can contact Mami or even Homura and have them assist her with whatever she needs. And vice-versa; I'm quite sure Sayaka never expects Homura to come to her for help, so that might actually be a really good thing for her own problems, and probably for Homura to feel like she can too.

Maybe we should bring it up with Mami, or even the whole group, once the conversation lulls. Even Hitomi and Madoka can assist with this - for one, they have the ability to give 100% in school because they don't have to worry about training for combat. Not to mention more brains means more opportunity for a Eureka Moment which could lead to a cool new idea.
 
@Redshirt Army
Do you think maybe we should quote Kirika at Sayaka? :p

Yes?

[x] First, respond to Mami's song with a solo of your own. Sappy and romantic and fitting your feelings, practically a confession in song form.

[x] Then, later, do a duet. Bonus points for a fitting reference for the others to catch.

[x] Try and get Homura to sing at least one song. Nothing boundary pushing, you want this to be pleasant for her. (So you can get her to agree to do it again! Mwahahaha! Just according to keikaku!)

[X] Telepathy Sayaka if there's a moment where you're both free.
-[X] (Channel Kirika.) Confessing takes courage no matter what kind of personality you have. In the end, it's really just down to her being brave and asking him out on a date.
--[X] (Good natured teasing) ... since it's Kwijibo, she may want to do so extra bluntly.

[x] Confirm plans. You and Mami will have dinner with the Plieades after karaoke. Be yourself and let conversation go as it may.
 
Even so, we should definitely take any opportunity to create a more independent Mami. So long as her PTSD compels her to remain with her "medication", we can't be 100% sure our feelings are reciprocated, regardless of how far we push things or even if Mami takes the initiative (although I admit that's unlikely to happen while she's still in such a mindset).
I don't think you really understand. While Sabrina is effectively Mami's "medication", the reason she is is that she's exactly what Mami needs and wants. Much like someone who just wants to be loved might develop feelings for the first person to love him/her. Hell, that's practically the basis for Homura's feelings towards Madoka. Mami most definitely isn't just going through the motions for the sake of getting a drug. Hell, even in her canon snippet, she remarks at how she and Sabrina banter back and forth like they've known each other for years. They're highly compatible people who like each other a whole lot and make one hell of a pair, not just in terms of combat and magic, but in terms of emotional and psychological needs and wants.

And by being there for Mami all of the time, we're doing more to help her eventually become independent than us trying to "wean" her off of us. It might seem paradoxical, but see my whole "child alone in the dark" analogy.

This doesn't mean that we have to throw her in the water and hope she swims, but it does mean we should talk to her about establishing a solid report with the rest of the team. In fact we should encourage the rest of the team hang out with one another outside of with us - or take note if it's already happening, which it might be.
Firstly, the word you're looking for is "rapport", or "report". Secondly, she is establishing a solid rapport with the rest of the team. Sabrina's presence actually helps to facilitate that. The more we're around Mami, the less clingly she gets (sure, she likes the affection and physical comfort, but she doesn't feel an overwhelming need for it so long as we're there for her. Compare that to how she gets when we meet her after school each day, when she's gone hours without us, and how she desperately runs to us for comfort and relief).

To use your analogy, it's more like Mami is afraid of (bodies of) water, and us being right there beside her helps to alleviate that fear, so she comes to fear swimming less and less, until eventually she feels okay swimming on her own. By contrast, leaving her alone in the shallow end results in a terrifying experience that she comes to dread and yearns for the end of each time.

We may be the leader of the Mitakihara Quartet-hopefully-soon-to-be-Group, but that doesn't mean the relationships with us are the only ones that matter. For Mami's mental health and also for anti-micromanagement reasons. Sayaka should feel that she can not only turn to us when she feels down or needs a question answered, but also that she can contact Mami or even Homura and have them assist her with whatever she needs. And vice-versa; I'm quite sure Sayaka never expects Homura to come to her for help, so that might actually be a really good thing for her own problems, and probably for Homura to feel like she can too.
Again, I don't think you really understand what Sabrina's presence does. By being there, micromanaging becomes less of an issue. On top of that, being there doesn't prevent others from turning to people beyond ourselves. Example: Sayaka comforting Madoka of her own initiative during our first meeting with Nadia. Or Mami coming to care for Homura on her own, being mindful of her health and things like her eating habits. Madoka, Sayaka, Homura, and Hitomi clearly care about Mami and want to help her, and that wasn't our doing.

The key thing to remember is that these kinds of bonds don't just happen because you set them up. Ironically, what you're proposing is that we do more micromanaging. Homura is very unlikely to go to Sayaka for comfort or reassurance, because Sayaka is not someone she's used to seeing as reliable, wise, or particularly trustworthy. Homura opening up to Sabrina is remarkable enough. That she's willing to open up at all in the presence of Sayaka is noteworthy. Sayaka has turned to us for questions and addressing her self-doubts (as a magical girl) only once, IIRC, and that was now--and we were the only ones around, so it's not fair to say that she'd be unwilling to ask Mami about her thoughts. Hell, when we found out that Sayaka contracted, Mami reassured her entirely of her own volition.

And relationships with Sabrina aren't the only ones that matter. We've seen this time and time again. Homura actually sees Mami as a dependable ally. She also sees Sayaka as useful, which is a very far cry from how she usually sees Sayaka as a doomed anchor to drag everyone down around her. Mami clearly cares about Homura's well-being, and would be there in a heartbeat for Homura if she gave any indication of feeling down or distressed. Madoka and Sayaka (and Hitomi) continually show concern and care for Mami. Kyouko's relationship with Yuma is having tremendous positive effects on the both of them, and that's been pretty much entirely independent of our efforts. Sayaka is shaping up to be a friend for Kyouko and Yuma, too. Mami is definitely becoming more sympathetic towards Kirika and Oriko. Homura and Madoka are becoming closer to each other and more comfortable around each other. Sayaka looks up to Homura and likes her as a person. All of this is happening naturally. I don't think there's any need to try and force it.
Maybe we should bring it up with Mami, or even the whole group, once the conversation lulls. Even Hitomi and Madoka can assist with this - for one, they have the ability to give 100% in school because they don't have to worry about training for combat. Not to mention more brains means more opportunity for a Eureka Moment which could lead to a cool new idea.
Perhaps we could try something like that in the more distant future, but for now, it feels too...forced. And definitely too much like micromanagement.
 
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[X] Redshirt Army

Honestly, I'm not invested on any specific song for the dues, but I'd really love it if the entire gang can sing Hey Jude at some point. It's a legit and fun reason to just scream out "naaaa na na nananana~" along with everybody.
 
9 votes. And it's been 18 hours since the update BTW.
Adhoc vote count started by defenestrator on Sep 7, 2017 at 4:28 AM, finished with 123939 posts and 9 votes.

  • [x] First, respond to Mami's song with a solo of your own. Sappy and romantic and fitting your feelings, practically a confession in song form.
    [x] Then, later, do a duet. Bonus points for a fitting reference for the others to catch.
    [x] Try and get Homura to sing at least one song. Nothing boundary pushing, you want this to be pleasant for her. (So you can get her to agree to do it again! Mwahahaha! Just according to keikaku!)
    [X] Telepathy Sayaka if there's a moment where you're both free.
    -[X] (Channel Kirika.) Confessing takes courage no matter what kind of personality you have. In the end, it's really just down to her being brave and asking him out on a date.
    --[X] (Good natured teasing) ... since it's Kwijibo, she may want to do so extra bluntly.
    [x] Confirm plans. You and Mami will have dinner with the Plieades after karaoke. Be yourself and let conversation go as it may.
    [X] Your turn now. Sing alone, for Mami:
    -[X] A Thousand Years
    [X] Duet time!
    -[X] Vivo per lei
    [X] Telepathy Sayaka if there's a down moment where you both can speak.
    -[X] Confessions are scary no matter who you are. In the end, it's really just down to her being brave and asking him or her out on a date - and if it's Kwijibo, and she doesn't have to tell us if it is, she may want to do so with a bullhorn and full parade because the boy is denser than the core of a Neutron Star.
    [X] Back to Funtimes if Sayaka doesn't have questions.
    [X] If we're singing a solo, "Stand By Me", if a duet, "Ain't No Mountain High Enough".
    [X] Sing a song for Mami
    [X] Song for duet
    [X] Confirm after-karaoke plans
    [X] At some point, sing only my railgun
    [X] Your turn now. Sing alone, for Mami:
    -[X] Boop
    [X] Duet time!
    -[X] Vivo per lei
    [X] Telepathy Sayaka if there's a down moment where you both can speak.
    -[X] Confessions are scary no matter who you are. In the end, it's really just down to her being brave and asking him or her out on a date - and if it's Kwijibo, and she doesn't have to tell us if it is, she may want to do so with a bullhorn and full parade because the boy is denser than the core of a Neutron Star.
    [X] Back to Funtimes if Sayaka doesn't have questions.
 
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[] Song for duet
[] Confirm after-karaoke plans
[] Write-in (word count limit: 150 words)


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OK, look. I know this feels a bit filler-ish, but I have no idea what works as a duet song, so I'm gonna say: Give me one, please. It doesn't have to be in Japanese, but I would prefer something from 2011.

The QM asked us to vote for a specific song. The leading vote doesn't specify a song, nor have we actually come to a consensus out of the vote. We've proposed a load of songs and only a few have voted for others songs. Some of us haven't even voted for our own suggestions.

[X] Yume no Tsubasa
-[X] Confessions are scary no matter who you are. In the end it's really just down to her being brave and asking him or her out on a date - and if it's Kwijibo, and she doesn't have to tell us if it is, she may want to do so with a bullhorn and full parade because the boy's denser than the core of a neutron star.
-[X] Confirm plans. You and Mami will have dinner with the Pleiades later after Karaoke. Be yourself and let the conversation flow as it may.
Adhoc vote count started by Madou Sutegobana on Sep 7, 2017 at 8:17 AM, finished with 123944 posts and 12 votes.

  • [x] First, respond to Mami's song with a solo of your own. Sappy and romantic and fitting your feelings, practically a confession in song form.
    [x] Then, later, do a duet. Bonus points for a fitting reference for the others to catch.
    [x] Try and get Homura to sing at least one song. Nothing boundary pushing, you want this to be pleasant for her. (So you can get her to agree to do it again! Mwahahaha! Just according to keikaku!)
    [X] Telepathy Sayaka if there's a moment where you're both free.
    -[X] (Channel Kirika.) Confessing takes courage no matter what kind of personality you have. In the end, it's really just down to her being brave and asking him out on a date.
    --[X] (Good natured teasing) ... since it's Kwijibo, she may want to do so extra bluntly.
    [x] Confirm plans. You and Mami will have dinner with the Plieades after karaoke. Be yourself and let conversation go as it may.
    [X] Your turn now. Sing alone, for Mami:
    -[X] A Thousand Years
    [X] Duet time!
    -[X] Vivo per lei
    [X] Telepathy Sayaka if there's a down moment where you both can speak.
    -[X] Confessions are scary no matter who you are. In the end, it's really just down to her being brave and asking him or her out on a date - and if it's Kwijibo, and she doesn't have to tell us if it is, she may want to do so with a bullhorn and full parade because the boy is denser than the core of a Neutron Star.
    [X] Back to Funtimes if Sayaka doesn't have questions.
    [X] If we're singing a solo, "Stand By Me", if a duet, "Ain't No Mountain High Enough".
    [X] Sing a song for Mami
    [X] Song for duet
    [X] Confirm after-karaoke plans
    [X] At some point, sing only my railgun
    [X] Your turn now. Sing alone, for Mami:
    -[X] Boop
    [X] Duet time!
    -[X] Vivo per lei
    [X] Telepathy Sayaka if there's a down moment where you both can speak.
    -[X] Confessions are scary no matter who you are. In the end, it's really just down to her being brave and asking him or her out on a date - and if it's Kwijibo, and she doesn't have to tell us if it is, she may want to do so with a bullhorn and full parade because the boy is denser than the core of a Neutron Star.
    [X] Back to Funtimes if Sayaka doesn't have questions.
    [X] Yume no Tsubasa
    -[X] Confessions are scary no matter who you are. In the end it's really just down to her being brave and asking him or her out on a date - and if it's Kwijibo, and she doesn't have to tell us if it is, she may want to do so with a bullhorn and full parade because the boy's denser than the core of a neutron star.
    -[X] Confirm plans. You and Mami will have dinner with the Pleiades later after Karaoke. Be yourself and let the conversation flow as it may.
 
Here's the thing: I don't know romantic music. That is not a genre I am interested in.

So I have no idea what to vote for in terms of romantic music and just went for the vote that seemed good otherwise.
 
Best version seems to not be available but what about Vincero - a pop ballad featuring music by Puccini (Nessum Dorma)

Lyrics
Won't you trust me now
Won't you tell me how
I can make you believe in life and love and liberty
Don't you dare, don't you
Trust my word, baby
We would be the first

If you're satisfied
If you think you've tried
Try again

If we do this right
If we really fight
Only then

Ma il mio mistero e chiuso in me
Il nome mio nessun sapra
No, no, dilegua, o notte
Tramontate, stelle
Tramontate, stelle
All'alba vincero

If you hesitate
If you want to wait
Don't forget that we promised to be there, now didn't we
Cold and lonely, I
Solved your riddle, I
Made way for you

See the break of dawn
You will be reborn
Take my hand
If you come with me
Let the old things be
We can fly

Ma il mio mistero e chiuso in me
Il nome mio nessun sapra
No, no, dilegua, o notte
Tramontate, stelle
Tramontate, stelle
All'alba vincero

Turandot!
Turandot!
Turandot!

(Ma il mio mistero e chiuso in me)
(Il nome mio nessun sapra)
Dilegua, o notte
Tramontate, stelle
Tramontate, stelle
All'alba vincero

Vincero, vincero...

Apparently there was a japanese version in 2008.
Edit here. For an idea of how it goes.
(The Fredrik Kempe version is the best, IMHO.)
Only downside is it's for Tenors, and I am not sure Sabrina has the vocal resources for Nessum Dorma without grief hax.
 
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[x] I'm Gonna Be (500 Miles)
[x] Canta Per Me
[x] Try and get Homura to sing at least one song. Nothing boundary pushing, you want this to be pleasant for her.
[X] Telepathy Sayaka if there's a moment where you're both free.
-[X] (Channel Kirika.) Confessing takes courage no matter what kind of personality you have. In the end, it's really just down to her being brave and asking him out on a date.
--[X] (Good natured teasing) ... since it's Kwijibo, she may want to do so extra bluntly.
[x] Confirm plans. You and Mami will have dinner with the Plieades after karaoke. Be yourself and let conversation go as it may.
 
I keep thinking if Sabrina singing classic rock.

.... we need to make a rock band *nods*

Homura: Bass, Vocals
Mami: Piano
Sayaka: Guitar
Kyouko: Drums
Sabrina: Rhythm
Madoka: Back up vocals.

: p
 
[X] Your turn now. Sing alone, for Mami:
-[X] A Thousand Years
[X] Duet time!
-[X] Vivo per lei
[x] Try and get Homura to sing at least one song. Nothing boundary pushing, you want this to be pleasant for her. (So you can get her to agree to do it again! Mwahahaha! Just according to keikaku!)
[X] Telepathy Sayaka if there's a moment where you're both free.
-[X] (Channel Kirika.) Confessing takes courage no matter what kind of personality you have. In the end, it's really just down to her being brave and asking him out on a date.
--[X] (Good natured teasing) ... since it's Kwijibo, she may want to do so extra bluntly.
[x] Confirm plans. You and Mami will have dinner with the Plieades after karaoke. Be yourself and let conversation go as it may.
 
One major point of progress, probably in the future, is if Mami admits her deepest feelings on the matter to Kazumi--her loneliness, fear of being abandoned/left behind, her self-doubts and low self-esteem, her constant fear of saying or doing the wrong thing and driving her friends away, and her fear that, one day, her friends will just distance themselves from her without warning or explanation. And if Kazumi takes all of that in and reaffirms her relationship with Mami, it will be a major point of progress, with many (but not all, and not completely) of her fears and doubts being addressed directly.
Is this something to make happen or something to hope will happen?
 
Binged through it all and had a great time.
Curious though do we really need to prevent Madoka from contracting as we got infinite magic with grief removal?.

Also we should totally share the theory with Homura about Walpurgisnacht hunting Madoka & Homura and then convince her you all should take a weekend off in Italy to see if it'll delay the event.
Also lots of more cute!
Also I don't feel this is any filler at all we need more cute it's great!
 
Welcome to SV and Sabrina's Head! Have fun and enjoy your stay. :)
 
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