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[X] Mami...
-[X] Of course she can come

[X] What will you be doing?
-[X] Ask the Pleiades about the meguca you felt trailing after Nico earlier
-[X] Tour town and go shopping. Buy Mami a dress
 
[X] Of course it's all right. Mami is more important than school, than anything.
-[X] Extra tight hugs. You're here, you're not going anywhere.

We're not giving her permission. We're telling her that It's all right.

Similarly, more reassurances. Not necessarily verbal, just make sure she knows.

[x] Help Mami recover enough that she can stop by the front desk and let them know that something came up.

Implement suggestion by @AuraTwilight.

[X] Rejoin with the Pleiades.
-[x] Remind Mami she can call Kazumi Kazumi. You know she wants to be friends.
--[x] Alternatively, silly nicknames?
-[X] Tour and go shopping. Buy Mami a dress. You wanted it to be a surprise, but now you get to see Mami try a bunch of beautiful dresses!
--[X] If collateral shopping happens, so be it.

Move that reminder down to a spot where it makes sense. And tack on some brain damage in case we need to de-serious the conversation. I vote that we realize that we could be a sentai team and start trying to figure out a theme and our code-names.

Shopping! :D

I wonder if there's anything we can buy for Homura. Or for Madohomu.
 
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Mmm... I forgot the vote line about tellling Kazumi about Niko.

[X] Of course it's alright. Mami is more important than school, than anything.
-[X] Help Mami recover. Ask if she wants to go tell the school she's leaving; we can just roofhop out if she wants.

[X] Telepathyically tell Kazumi about the magical girl trailing Nikko earlier.

[X] Rejoin with the Pleiades.
-[X] Remind Mami she can call Kazumi Kazumi. You know she wants to be friends.
-[X] Tour and go shopping. Buy Mami a dress. You wanted it to be a surprise, but now you get to see Mami try a bunch of beautiful dresses!
--[X] If collateral shopping happens, so be it.

[X] Telepathy Sayaka about the sparring sessions. Tell her the tentative schedule you picked, but let her decide how the training schedule's gonna be if she doesn't like it.

I'm not sure about 'silly nicknames' line. In fact, I'm not sure we should be trying to 'correct' Mami about what she calls Kazumi. It might not be the best time.
 
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Onmur said:
I foresee jokes about being delinquents together at some point in the close-ish future.
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Jokes?

The neighbours are two lesbian delinquent couples, a crazy cat Homu, Koko who's basically a single mother and you expected a cute Kohai but it's only Sayaka-chan.
And Ohno.

In short all our friends are or are at risk of becoming lesbian delinquents.
We really need a token straight meguca.
(Other than Ohno?)
 
Jonen C said:
Jokes?

The neighbours are two lesbian delinquent couples, a crazy cat Homu, Koko who's basically a single mother and you expected a cute Kohai but it's only Sayaka-chan.
And Ohno.

In short all our friends are or are at risk of becoming lesbian delinquents.
We really need a token straight meguca.
(Other than Ohno?)
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But where would we find a straight meguca?

... We should hunt down that girl who eloped with the portuguese boy.

Oh, wait.

[Q] Telepathy Nadia.
-[Q] We need to find a straight meguca.
 
[X] Of course it's all right. Mami is more important than school, than anything.
-[X] Extra tight hugs. You're here, you're not going anywhere.

[x] Help Mami recover enough that she can stop by the front desk and let them know that something came up.

[X] Rejoin with the Pleiades.
-[X] Suggest shopping! Or maybe a tour of Mitakihara, or SCIENCE, or hanging out at Mami's apartment cooking or watching a movie, or anything else everyone wants to do! What you do isn't as important as who you're doing it with.
--[x] If shopping happens, buy Mami a dress. You wanted it to be a surprise, but now you get to see Mami try a bunch of beautiful dresses!
Onmur said:
I'm not sure about 'silly nicknames' line. In fact, I'm not sure we should be trying to 'correct' Mami about what she calls Kazumi. It might not be the best time.
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Feels reasonable. If it becomes a problem, brinapilot can probably handle it anyway.
 
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MrCogmor said:
You don't have to be sadistic to be a serial killer you just have to commit a series of murders.
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That's not true. A serial killer is a very specific thing. For one thing, serial killers are all psychopathic (or at least sociopathic). They all enjoy killing, or at least gain satisfaction from it. Furthermore, merely enjoying killing (and killing a lot of people) does not inherently make one a serial killer, either.

To give you an idea, a clear sign that a person is a serial killer in the making is experimenting with killing animals, particularly in visceral or peculiar ways. Not just hunting, mind you, but things like catching a squirrel and wringing its neck with one's bare hands.

Serial killers also don't usually have anything specifically personal against their victims (they'll sometimes have grudges against the general type of person--like a beautiful blond woman, because the serial killer has a thing against beautiful blond women, etc.), whereas someone who just murders several people typically will have specific reasons for killing those specific people, rather than "others like those people". Even, say, a white supremacist who murders a bunch of black people because they're black isn't necessarily a serial killer. In much the same way that someone who is sometimes sadistic isn't necessarily a psychopath, someone who murders several people isn't necessarily a serial killer.

I mean, John Wick commits a series of murders, but no one calls him a serial killer, because he isn't one.
 
Kaizuki said:
Mother fucker, I thought we had actually made enough progress that this wasn't going to happen after she didn't say anything about it this morning or last night. God, this is arguably worse, although I think in reality it's not as bad.

The obvious initial answer is "Mami, if you want to take one afternoon off to spend it with a friend you thought you'd never see again, nobody is going to mind. Not in the long term."

I'm of a mind to leave it at that for now, and let the hard talk lie until + unless this happens again. Then we have a problem.
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It's really not that big of a deal, and it's very understandable for this to be a specific occurrence, rather than a developing habit. She's just had one of her kohai return to her for the very first time in her life (and is very much happy to see her). Of course she wants to spend time with them--and Sabrina, her pillar and primary source of comfort--especially when the subject of Kyouko was also brought up (and the possibility of seeing her again).

Jonen C said:
We really need a token straight meguca.
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Where's Akane when you need her?
 
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Onmur said:
-[X] Tour and go shopping. Buy Mami a dress. You wanted it to be a surprise, but now you get to see Mami try a bunch of beautiful dresses!
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Vebyast said:
-[X] Tour and go shopping. Buy Mami a dress. You wanted it to be a surprise, but now you get to see Mami try a bunch of beautiful dresses!
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Vebyast said:
--[x] If shopping happens, buy Mami a dress. You wanted it to be a surprise, but now you get to see Mami try a bunch of beautiful dresses!
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Is the bit about wanting it to be a surprise really neccessary? I am concerned that to already on-edge Mami Brain, that might be heard (if Sabrina expresses it that is, if she doesn't then whys it in the vote anyway) something like:
"Oh no oh MahoKami noooo! My weak moment/day made me go and ruin Sabrina's surprise for me?! I never meant for that to happen!!"

I mean sure, to us its about it being just as good that we get to go shopping for her, but people do get worked up about surprises and honoring them even when they aren't extra worried about things.
 
AuraTwilight said:
No. To be a serial killer actually does require some form of emotional gratification from the act, it's part of the legal classification. Otherwise we call them a mass murderer or a repeat killer; a serial killer is called such because they have a serial compulsion to kill for entirely internal psychiatric reasons.
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SaltyWaffles said:
That's not true. A serial killer is a very specific thing. For one thing, serial killers are all psychopathic (or at least sociopathic).
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Er. I actually didn't know this was the technical definition, so I'll preface this by apologizing for being the first one to use the incorrect terminology. :oops:

AuraTwilight said:
Homura doesn't fit. She doesn't even have the body count; Murderface jokes aside she's only canonically ever killed two people straight out: Madoka, in a mercy-kill in timeline 3 (which utterly broke her), and that one time she had to kill Oriko because she fucking attacked Madoka in her classroom.
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This isn't quite accurate. From what I recall, following the events of Oriko Magica, Homura proceeded to then outright murder Oriko and Kirika for the next several timelines-- before they'd even get a chance to contract-- because they might be a threat to Madoka, and didn't stop until she realized that them being potentials at all was vanishingly rare. Throughout this timeline, it's been by our word alone that she hasn't given them another .45 ACP facelift (and Sabrina's nearly been shot more than a couple times), and finally relented to us keeping them as our prisoners (after sawing Oriko nearly in half with machine gun fire). I find it mildly presumptive to believe that they were the only threats that Homura felt the need to suppress this way across ~100 loops. Also, PMMM seems to imply that she's been forced to kill Sayaka before, and it took a significant effort of will in Rebellion to not immediately gem Mami when she got the upper hand in their fight (notwithstanding the fact that she never actually did because Mami is amazing).

Murderface is a meme for a reason. However...

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There's been times she's been PREPARED to kill, but she doesn't enjoy it, doesn't usually do it because she usually has a better option, and whenever she does kill it's always paired with absolutely severe, extreme emotional trauma that feeds into actual PTSD over having to do these things, so much so that it destroys her self-image and self-worth and she calls herself a monster who doesn't deserve a reward for her hard work.
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This was actually a lot of my point in the context of the original post where I was agreeing with you. Homura already sees herself as damned, and can justify pretty much anything in the name of saving Madoka's soul (up to and including selling her out to the Incubators on the off chance she could free her from the Law of Cycles)-- and if she fucks up, she can just reset and try again. In fact, there's probably also an Undertale analogy somewhere in here; this sort of time travel, where you have the ability to savescum every time you screw up, and have seen people live or die as a result of your actions over and over again, is a solipsistic nightmare that makes it increasingly difficult to see other people as people. She'd already given up on Sayaka completely because that's just who she is, notwithstanding the things that made her important as a person to people who weren't Homura.

Since it's absolutely vital that this be the last timeline, if Homura's already gunned people down before we showed up, we're going to have to forgive her those sins-- because she can't, no matter how well she can justify them. This is why Homuplomacy is so important and eats up so much of our time: We're trying to teach her how to be human again, to have hope in other people, and to believe that she deserves better than the Hell she's been going through, while at the same time getting across to her that her admittedly perfectly rational paranoia is hurting people unnecessarily.

Just because she's a murderer doesn't mean she's a bad person; after all, Homura did nothing wrong. :V
 
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