Prevent by warning Kyouko off, by telling Mami, or by picking Mami up and sprinting off in the opposite direction and refusing to explain?
Well, clearly Sabrina should keep Mami from looking around by kissing her until Kyouko passes out of sight. :D

But seriously, Mami knows that Kyouko is going to be working with Sayaka and Sabrina, so there's no need to keep her presence a secret. We'd just be putting off a face-to-face meeting until Mami felt up to it, and for that we can just tell her.

We should facilitate a reconciliation between them first.
I'm not comfortable waiting as long as that would probably take. Kyouko's Seed shortage and our Witch surplus are pressing issues that could cost lives.
 
I think a microsingularity with just the mass of the air inside a small sphere would decay fast enough that the only thing we'd have to worry about should be the radiation.

I don't know how dangerous that would be though. I dunno if we can direct it or if it would light the atmosphere on fire. Probably not?
 
I think a microsingularity with just the mass of the air inside a small sphere would decay fast enough that the only thing we'd have to worry about should be the radiation.

I don't know how dangerous that would be though. I dunno if we can direct it or if it would light the atmosphere on fire. Probably not?

The real issue is that information that enters a black hole can potentially be reconstituted. As such, it's simply not an effective enough way of scrubbing away signs of what we did if we want to hide it from Kyuubey.

That's right - a black hole won't be thorough enough.

As such, you either want a ludicrously absurd amount of randomized energy, like Vebyast proposed, or a conceptual total information theoretic erasure effect using griefhax. Quite possibly both, to be on the safe side.
 
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Anything done to Kyuubey could potentially be decoded from Sabrina's brain. It would probably be easier than reconstructing from a Singularity.
 
Funny idea for haggling with Kyouko, if she objects to ue paying her at too high a level and thinks it's charity:

Play against her competitiveness, and say something along the lines of, "Oh? Would you prefer I gouge you for your services, and pay you the minimum I can get away with? I'm fairly certain I can get you to accept <insert minor insulting pay bracket or profession here>..."

Ideally get Kyouko to forget she's suspicious and opposed to us on principle, and just see us as a skinflint to extort as much money from as possible, whereupon after long negotiations in which Kyouka comes out on top, Sabrina cheerfully hops out the window while informing Kyouko of what pay bracket she's haggled herself into.
 
[X] New policy: Minimize utility fog when socializing.

[X] After food, discuss hunting. Offer hunting in Mitakihara; there's a surplus of Witches right now, so it'd be mutually beneficial.
-[X] Discuss her Grief Seed status. Ask her not to give used Seeds to Kyuubey; you can use them. Reoffer the Clean Seed, and inform her how they're distributed.

[X] Discuss Sayaka's training.
-[X] Telepathy Sayaka and determine the details (frequency, hours, etc.)
-[X] Offer to pay Kyouko the same rates as a skilled professional consultant. Avoid feeling like charity.

[X] Offer introductions to Inoue Yuuki. She can hack bank/government records.

[X] Head to Asunaro.
-[X] While flying:
--[X] Call Nakano Mika and politely ask about potential ties to the Nakano corporation.
--[X] Call ahead to Kazusa to facilitate meeting up.
-[X] Present yourself as you actually are: cheerful dweeb who wants to help but can back that attitude up.

Very minor tweak: Moved minimizing the grief fog during social to the top. Might help with Koko a bit, and we'll get more feedback on if it makes a difference.

Also, now it's 150 words. :V
 
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Anything done to Kyuubey could potentially be decoded from Sabrina's brain. It would probably be easier than reconstructing from a Singularity.
Seriously, though, this is a reasonable concern. Kyubey's latest demonstration of sensory powers makes me worry that he can just straight read thoughts out of neurons. I'm iffy, I believe that there are some events in Rebellion that indicate that this is not the case, but we know for sure that Kyubey's telepathy operates by pure physics and he has to have something. I think the best suggestion at this point has been that he's reading out subvocalizations and other involuntary muscular micromovements. Of course, that's still a major problem; I can easily see Sabrina having accidentally unconsciously subvocalized a great deal of critical metaknowledge.
 
Seriously, though, this is a reasonable concern. Kyubey's latest demonstration of sensory powers makes me worry that he can just straight read thoughts out of neurons. I'm iffy, I believe that there are some events in Rebellion that indicate that this is not the case, but we know for sure that Kyubey's telepathy operates by pure physics and he has to have something. I think the best suggestion at this point has been that he's reading out subvocalizations and other involuntary muscular micromovements. Of course, that's still a major problem; I can easily see Sabrina having accidentally unconsciously subvocalized a great deal of critical metaknowledge.
And now combine subvocalization with the fact that we've been making explicit references to events and works that are yet to come for some time. Just off the top of my head, we've made Korra references during the Sendai fight (Akiyama Atsuko, AKA. "Kuvria", notably her teammate was named "Ramiel" based on an anime that already exists.) and warned Nadia about an upcoming earthquake with Kyuubey having been at the same table moments ago.
 
Seriously, though, this is a reasonable concern. Kyubey's latest demonstration of sensory powers makes me worry that he can just straight read thoughts out of neurons. I'm iffy, I believe that there are some events in Rebellion that indicate that this is not the case, but we know for sure that Kyubey's telepathy operates by pure physics and he has to have something. I think the best suggestion at this point has been that he's reading out subvocalizations and other involuntary muscular micromovements. Of course, that's still a major problem; I can easily see Sabrina having accidentally unconsciously subvocalized a great deal of critical metaknowledge.

This is 100% impossible. If he could read minds, forget Rebellion; KYubey would've known Homura was a time traveler the whole time and the plot wouldn't of happened. He can't read minds. Probably because Souls.
 
My gut suggests that he could probably detect the information's presence, being the architect of the system, but it's "encoded" with emotions, so he can't really understand it.

It'd fit, at least.
 
I'm iffy, I believe that there are some events in Rebellion that indicate that this is not the case, but we know for sure that Kyubey's telepathy operates by pure physics and he has to have something. I think the best suggestion at this point has been that he's reading out subvocalizations and other involuntary muscular micromovements.
We can reasonably certain that he can't just read minds, or he wouldn't have been surprised by Madoka's wish.

I don't think that subvocalizations and kinesics would be able to have enough precision for the communications that we have over telepathy. Especially when there's a proper name with no prior context, like "Kuvira."


and warned Nadia about an upcoming earthquake with Kyuubey having been at the same table moments ago.
We played that one off as the result of having a precog on staff, however. And we've spouted random, redonkulous nicknames like "meguca" that aren't from future media, so I'm not sure how Kyubey would know the difference between future references and Sabrina's usual brain damage


Kyuubey's soul extraction also works on pure physics. Physics in PMMM contains a lot of things that ours doesn't.
I'm not so sure that the magical girl conversion process and telepathy are pure physics. Kyubey does still talk about magic in terms of being something outside even their science. And it also doesn't seem to be a process that they fully understand and control, or they could have just not granted Madoka's wish when they realized it would be damaging to them, or included some way to shut down the gems of troublesome girls. I get the impression that magic is a black box to them: they don't really know how it works, but they've learned through trial and error that if they put in a certain input they'll get a certain output. Possibly they stole some sort of ritual from a magically-inclined civilization and found that if they put souls in the box, they got energy out.
 
Oh hey, I found this thing.

Just gonna post this here for future reference, Kyuubey does use magic in some way:

"I see," the Incubator says, remaining in place as you continue to pour Grief into the hole in its back. Out of curiosity, you check what it feels like in your Grief senses.

It's... faint. Very faint. Distant, nearly imperceptible traces of Grief... and magic gather in its body, tiny wisps of both, unlike the full, refulgent glory of a puella magi or Witch. Would explain why you've never really noticed it coming and going, you suppose.

The Grief that you're feeding to it... you still have no idea where it goes. The moment it passes that midnight black portal, it simply vanishes from your senses.
 
A more optimistic note in regards to "mind reading" via subvocalization: It's noteworthy that Firn first brought the idea up on the Discord while we were talking about setting up our own telepathy network. It could simply be that that relates to a way for Kyuubey to "overhear" our secondary network.

After all, if you're deliberately thinking words at people to talk to them, that's by far the most likely circumstance for subvocalization to happen, one would think.
We played that one off as the result of having a precog on staff, however. And we've spouted random, redonkulous nicknames like "meguca" that aren't from future media, so I'm not sure how Kyubey would know the difference between future references and Sabrina's usual brain damage
That makes sense when you just know of a generic precog but, as far as I recall, Oriko doesn't have a regular habit of looking outside Mitakihara. At the very least, she didn't recognize Sendai when we first asked where Sakura went and likewise only looked into Asunaro after we asked her about it.

Reading from that, it's odd that she would have foreseen something half a world and months away, and her then telling us about it is odder.

But, thinking further, if you want a moment where Kyuubey learns about our metaknowledge, I'd peg when we revealed ourselves to Homura In Surface Tension.

As of Direct Intervention, we have pretty strong hints that Kyuubey knows about Homura's loops. (and I say strong rather than certain just because I still suspect it may be something else instead. If there aren't any oddies, he knows, if there are oddities it could be something else.)

Before then, we have a meeting on the rooftop with Homura during chapter 2. Not only is it one where we ask her to use her power, but it doesn't give either of us much of an alibi to a direct observer.

And if Kyuubey had wanted to watch us, he knew exactly where to go: We discuss the meeting place over telepathy.

Even while an observing Kyuubey wouldn't have seen the conversation itself, he would have seen the start and end and there are two reasonable suppositions from that:

First, information was exchanged. This is pretty obvious since, afterwards Homura says: "It's good to be working with you, too," while the first "good to be working with you" was exchanged inside the timestop. It's easy to guess that something happened and an agreement was come to while Homura acted. Likewise we immediately let out a [ perhaps somewhat relieved?] breath after being freed from the constant silence. Which might be enough to figure that significant time passed. (or might not)

Second, and more relevant to our metaknoweldge, we either knew, or had a very confident guess, what Homura's power was before then.

The Homura metabomb timestop, cut as it might appear to an outside observer, for reference if anyone wants to make their own supposition:

"I'll see you later, Mami," you tell the blonde.

"See you, Sabrina! Don't stay out too late," Mami replies, smiling and heading off home.

"Homura?" you call.

A long pause. "Do you know where Madoka's house is?" the time traveller replies eventually.

"No," you admit.

"Meet me at Mitakihara Middle School, then," Homura replies tersely.

"On my way," you nod, even if she can't see you. You frown at the surrounding buildings. Nowhere good to hide so that you can get to the roof, so you walk along the street until you finally find an alley to duck into. Moments later, you find yourself on the roof, illuminated from below by the gentle glow of streetlamps from below and the waxing crescent moon above.

You launch yourself into the air, enjoying the cool evening breeze. As you hop along the roofs, you briefly wonder if anybody might look up at precisely the right moment to see you sailing between buildings, but dismiss the thought as irrelevant. It's not really your problem.

You quickly approach the school. By night, with its lights out, the glass and steel architecture of the building gains an ethereal beauty to it, glittering under the light of the moon and the streetlamps. A thousand shadows crisscross and overlap in its interior, forming a shifting mosaic of shadows.

Your senses let you home unerringly in on Homura, who's standing on one of the apartments near the school, and you crunch to a landing right behind her. She's wearing her puella magi uniform, and simply standing with her hands held loosely at her sides while looking down on the school.

Homura turns when you land behind her, fixing you with her violet gaze. Standing as she is at the edge of the roof, she's silhouetted by the glow of the city lights, and you can barely make out her expression. You wonder if she's being intentionally intimidating.

A deep breath. "Homura, I think we need to talk in private. Can you use your power on the both of us? I can cleanse your gem as necessary, if that's a problem."

You can see Homura frown in the shadows, and you can understand why. Timestop is her one big trump card, and she'd be naturally reluctant to bring you in to it, and more than that, how did you know about it? You can practically see the gears turning in her head.

"I don't mean you, or Madoka, any harm. I want to help," you say, taking a risk. Homura inhales sharply at that.

Finally, though, she nods, "Yes. One moment." She glances around the rooftop, before finally seeing what she's looking for; a discarded, empty cigarette box. She holds out one end of the box to you with her left hand, and you understand- the box is fragile and easy to lose your grip of, stranding you in the timestop if you make any hostile moves.

You sit down on the rooftop, patting the rooftop in front of you and looking at the time traveller expectantly. This might take a while, you reason. Homura looks even more annoyed, but sits down, still proferring the box to you.

You take a deep breath, and grasp the end of the box.

The shield clacks and spins on Homura's arm, and time-
-stops.
Homura's shield clacks on her arm, and colour unceremoniously floods back into the world. The cars resume their motion, and the return of the noise of the city, so suddenly returning after the profound silence of the timestop, disorients you for a moment.

You blow out a breath. "Whoo."

Homura rises to her feet, dropping the cigarette box, and extends her Soul Gem to you wordlessly. You can see that the timestop has cost her quite dearly; corruption swirls in the depths of her Soul Gem, darkening its brilliant violet gleam. Well, you can fix that.

You stand, stretching languidly, and curl a hand. The Grief drifts free, forming itself into a cloud which you compress down to a marble, moderately larger than the other ones you already have. Homura brings the Soul Gem up to her eye level, examining it closely.

"It's good to be working with you, too," Homura says finally, extending her hand toward you. You smile, and grab her hand in a firm handshake.

"Yeah. Same, Homura," you agree. "Stay safe."

"Hm," the timetraveller grunts, walking to the edge of the roof.

"Bye!" you call as she leaps towards the next building, heading off, you assume, to resume her vigil over Madoka. You yourself turn to head back to Mami's apartment.

You soon reach home, and unlock the door. It's only 8:30PM, so you're not surprised to find that Mami's still awake. Less pleasant, however, is the fact that Kyuubey has apparently returned at some point, and is currently curled on the couch while Mami does what looks like homework at the low table.

"Hello, Sabrina! How did your talk with Akemi go?" Mami calls cheerfully as you lock the door behind you. The Incubator sits up on the couch and fixes you with its glassy pink eyes.

Lastly, It's worth noting that Kyuubey had been gone on business during that. He's next seen again in public just after we get back to Mami's house after that visit as in the very update the timestop ends. If he was waiting and hiding to see if we'd do something, it fits that he revealed himself after he got what he wanted. (which, to be fair, is iffy) Regardless, there is a good chance he was back from his business during that time.

I'm not so sure that the magical girl conversion process and telepathy are pure physics. Kyubey does still talk about magic in terms of being something outside even their science. And it also doesn't seem to be a process that they fully understand and control, or they could have just not granted Madoka's wish when they realized it would be damaging to them, or included some way to shut down the gems of troublesome girls. I get the impression that magic is a black box to them: they don't really know how it works, but they've learned through trial and error that if they put in a certain input they'll get a certain output. Possibly they stole some sort of ritual from a magically-inclined civilization and found that if they put souls in the box, they got energy out.

Oh hey, I found this thing.

Just gonna post this here for future reference, Kyuubey does use magic in some way:
Yup, I'm figuring that Kyuubey does have a way to use magic. And frankly... putting these to posts together would fit with what we know of enchantment too.

Enchantments have to be remade for each type that occurs and, IIRC, it read like that counted for subtle variations within a type of enchantment too. Even so, once an enchantment is made, any magical girl can take a look at it and learn to use it from just seeing it.

That could well include the Incubators too. In which case magical girls would fit in as the people who develop enchantments for Incubators to use, while witches serve as a source of actual power.

Which might mean that Kyuubey's nuts material analysis could be the result of of a long ago alien magical girl's enchantment.
 
They said that space was cold, Hollywood did. Cold. Empty. Dark.

But all you feel right now, rushing up through the atmosphere in your little rocket, is warmth. It took you three months. Walpurghis came and went, Madoka finally was Homubombed, Asunaro, Tokyo... They all fly past you in colors of fire. A flurry of golden embers, rising higher and higher, screaming your ascendance to the skies.

And then, almost startlingly quickly, the fires die, and everything is silent. Truely, completely silent, with only the sound of yourself and your passenger's breathing. You let it sit right there, as your craft continues to streak through the exosphere. A hand blindly, weakly grasps for your own, but when you look over, she's not looking at you. Mami has her eyes closed, and seems to be listening intently.

You concentrate on not breathing. It takes a bit more out of your gem to do, but it's worth it. Slowly, even the slight rustles of fabric and the tiny eddies of breath die out, leaving behind nothing but void. Perfect, encapsulating silence, that seems to stretch on forever. You shut your eyes too, listening to nothing for a while. And while you do...

Unbidden, you and Mami open your eyes together. All the grief that made up your rocket has become perfectly clear, the only visual barrier between you and infinity a few feet of air. All around you, stars gleam like looking at the sun through perfectly black velvet. The Milky Way stands bared before you, and you feel a sense of vertigo as you look back eons on stars so far away that no Human could ever reach them. No Magical Girl could ever go there. But you might... If Mami asked you to, you'd find a way.

"Wow..." Mami breathes, softly. The sound echos loudly against the perfect silence of a vacuum. Like church bells on a clear day.

It almost feels sinful to respond to that... wonder, in her voice. "We're almost there."

Mami smiles, and it's hard to tell if it's a sad smile, even when she starts tearing up. "...We're in space."

"Yeah."

"We're in space!"

"Yeah!"

"WE'RE IN SPACE!" Mami laughs, giddy with excitement. "It's beautiful! We-" Mami stops to sob in happiness, wiping at her eyes with the heels of her hands. "We're in space, Sabrina. How many people have been here, in all of human history? How many, plus us?"

"Five-hundred thirty eight, now." You say, getting swept up in the excitment. Then there's a soft chime from your grief rocket. You've arrived.

"I guess it's time to get going." Mami says sadly, looking around as if she wants to remember this moment for the rest of her life - which, probably the both of you do.

Well, you for different reasons. You can come back up here, but you'll only be able to do this next bit once.

"Yeah. I'm going to open the door behind you." Mami nods and closes her eyes again, and you can see the small lattice of clear ribbons quickly form a dome around her head. You do the same with your grief. Then, with a twist of your will, you open a hole into the heights of Low Earth Orbit. The wind rushes around you briefly, but eventually it dies down in favor of leaving you and Mami floating, unsupported, high above the world.

It only takes a small push for you and her to link hands and begin your descent, this time wrapped far more personally. Ribbons and grief entwine to block friction, and you and Mami fall faster and faster towards the surface of the planet. You hear Mami cry out in exuberance as the fire lights up again, wreathing both of you in the flames of reentry. As the air begins to grow thicker, you and Mami both begin spreading wings. Magical ribbon and solid Grief are stronger than any man-made material, and the two of you shudder through your pseudo-hug as all four wings extend out to one hundred meters each, with the flames stretching even further, painting a brilliant angel across the sky in the colors of a setting sun. The clouds are still far below you, but above you, the whorls of disturbed atmosphere and burning fire stretch across a span larger than some countries.

As the furthest layers of cirrus clouds grow closer, you tap your helmet to Mami's. "Hey!" You shout, over the rushing wind. "Let me in!"

"What?!"

"Open up! I want to do something!"

It takes Mami a moment to finagle her ribbons in such a way that you're able to make contact with her without any impediments (or your flesh burning away), but she's Mami freaking Tomoe, and it happens.

"W-what did you want to do?" She asks. But she's blushing a little, and you think she has a guess long before you jump in and kiss her on the lips.

Mami freezes, but eventually relaxes further into the kiss. It almost makes you regret deciding to do it this way when you start to lose track of time, and nearly miss your mark for starting to level out your descent.

It's dark, when the two of you hit the ground with a roll, wings vanishing into glittering gold and a bevy of disintegrating spheres, respectively. But you survive. You survive jumping out of a space-ship in orbit. You survived Walpurghis Nacht.

You survived the most nerve-wracking moment of your life, when you kissed Mami Tomoe.

The two of you take a moment to catch your breath, panting and giggling in equal measure. But eventually you both calm down, and it's silent for a few moments.

It almost takes all of your courage to ask, but you manage to make it sound nearly as cool in real life as it sounded in your head when you ask Mami, "So... What did you think of your first kiss?"

Mami's silent for a few moments, and you feel a thrill of fear when a tear rolls down her cheek, but then she smiles, and reaches up at the first stars glimmering in the evening sky. "I think I have two new Most Beautiful Things in my life."

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Most Beautiful Things
 
Most Beautiful Things
You know. Maybe it's just that I like Kerbal Space Program, I'm actually disappointed it didn't end like this:

It's dark, when the two of you hit the ground with a roll, wings vanishing into glittering gold and a bevy of disintegrating spheres, respectively. But you survive. You survive jumping out of a space-ship in orbit. You survived Walpurghis Nacht.

You survived the most nerve-wracking moment of your life, when you kissed Mami Tomoe.

The two of you take a moment to catch your breath, panting and giggling in equal measure. But eventually you both calm down, and for a few moments the silence is broken only by the occasional explosions from lithobreaking rocket debris.

It almost takes all of your courage to ask, but you manage to make it sound nearly as cool in real life as it sounded in your head when you ask Mami, "So... What did you think of your first kiss?"

Mami's silent for a few moments, and you feel a thrill of fear when a tear rolls down her cheek, but then she smiles, and reaches up at the first stars glimmering in the evening sky. "I think I have two new Most Beautiful Things in my life."
 
I mean, yeah. I could have written it like I'm Sorry and just had them get distracted and slam into the ground at terminal velocity.

But I was in a romantic mood, not a sadistic one.
 
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