To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)

lbmaian · Jul 24, 2017

GBZ comments:

OneirosTheWriter said:
Starfleet Engineering Team - Building mining colony of 29 Miele V - ETC 2317.Q4
Starfleet Colony Team - Building mining colony on 29 Miele V - ETC 2317.Q4
[29 Miele V station complete]
...
[Planning to work on 29 Miele V SR Mine Next]

@OneirosTheWriter is this supposed to be 29 Baker V?

I can't find any reference to Starfleet prospectors (or any prospectors) finding or doing anything in a 29 Miele system in all the GBZ reports.

Meanwhile, a Starfleet prospector did find significant finds in the 29 Baker system in 2316.Q3 GBZ:

OneirosTheWriter said:
USS Nicholas Barton, NCC-632, Prospector (21 Baker / 29 Baker / 34 Baker) - 29 Baker II 15br/yr mine, 29 Baker V 10sr/yr, minor colony potential

This is also listed in the "Claimed" section:

OneirosTheWriter said:
(Starfleet) 29 Baker II 15br/yr mine, 29 Baker V 10sr/yr, minor colony potential

OneirosTheWriter said:
[41 Miele IV Mine Colony complete, 25 (30) br/yr gain]

This already happened in 2316.Q4 GBZ, so it shouldn't be repeated here (or else we'd mistake this as a completed colony this year, thus double-counting it):

OneirosTheWriter said:
Starfleet Colony Team - Building mining colony on 41 Miele IV - ETC 2316.Q4
[41 Miele IV Mine Colony complete, 25 (30) br/yr gain]

OneirosTheWriter said:
Prospecting
Key: (This Quarter / Last Quarter / Next Quarter) - Results of Last Quarter

Starfleet:
USS Nicholas Barton, NCC-632, Prospector (- / - / -) - Holding
USS Somak, NCC-635, Prospector (- / - / - ) - Holding
[30sr collected]

Others:
Forager Trinzzi, NCC-3304 (- / - / -) - Holding
Forager Onzala, NCC-3302 (- / - / -) - Holding

CAS Ipoor, Prospector (- / - / -) - Holding
CSS Narhana, Prospector (22 Firefly / 5 Firefly / 16 Firefly) - 5 Firefly - Class M world, 2xSR mines (1 on the class M, the other 10sr), 50br pickup

So it looks like everyone in the GBZ, expect possibly the Cardassian affiliates are in consolidation mode. Nearly all the Federation prospectors are sitting idle. The Caitians are the only exception and they're pretty much all-in with the GBZ project - indeed they sent all two of their prospectors here.

This does mean new Starfleet prospector builds are low priority.

OneirosTheWriter said:
[Caitians looking to trade development rights to the Class M planet here - UESPA leading interest]

That's promising, and UESPA does needs more resources to catch up, now having one of the smaller fleets throughout the Federation.

But I hope this goes a step further, whereby a coalition of members could cooperatively colonize a world. The GBZ isn't infinite after all, and I hope to head off as much inter-member envy in the future from GBZ acquisitions.

Briefvoice · Jul 24, 2017

OneirosTheWriter said:
So anyone have any good ideas for design styles for Institute logos? <.<

I am unfortunately not an artist, but if we're just talking ideas. All designs have a background of brownish-red, as that's the Gaeni 'color'.

Henn-Makad Engineering Institute (Sk 3, Starbases / Minerals) - A stylized cluster of dilithium crystals inside a laboratory beaker with a suggestion of machinery around it on the borders.

Inid Uttar Institute (Sk 3, Sensors / Propulsion) - Stylized triangular shape of a ship with engines blazing behind it. At the tip of the ship, a dish points at a distant star.

Technocracy Interstellar Ministry (Sk 3, Xenopsychology / Foreign Analysis) - A string runes (letters in the Gaeni language) stretches between two stars.

Iron Wolf · Jul 24, 2017

I honestly think the Fed might have to consider some sort of tax on the resources flowing out of the GBZ for equalization transfers, because that doesn't seem fair otherwise. Unless it's all chill in how the consumer resources get distributed -- I note it's all the species with desires to expand fleet capacity running to the GBZ and not like, the Tellarites or Vulcans.

Nervos Belli · Jul 24, 2017

All of them should be a Vulcan fleeing in terror as a Gaeni scientist unveils his latest abomination.

Goat · Jul 24, 2017

OneirosTheWriter said:
Sector Command hasn't cleared further subsectors for the prospectors, due a combination of trying to consolidate the resources already discovered, and the fact that the fleet forces are tied down protecting those sites.

So if you want those prospectors working, we need to move more fleet and more logistics in to the GBZ.

SynchronizedWritersBlock · Jul 24, 2017

Goat said:
Assuming the reality of the game universe does actually look something like that by that time frame, do we want to have Green Excelsiors in the SBZ for levelling up purposes, or veteran units for higher success rates?
If we go Green units, use this as the levelling grounds and rotate every time someone reaches Blooded?

Once Mutual Support completes, I would suggest moving Green Excelsiors from internal to BZ as it gives them the highest event rate. Remember, D score doesn't increase with veterancy.

Simon_Jester · Jul 24, 2017

TyrialFrost said:
[][REPORT] Klingon Fleet Strength
[][REPORT] Romulan Fleet Strength
[][REPORT] Cardassian Fleet Strength
[][REPORT] Horizon Fleet Strength

...Um...

I mean, is there a particular reason that we need reports on the fleet strength of all our neighbors simultaneously this year, including the ones where we have almost NO information that would allow us to get an accurate count, and the ones we just got a count on within the past one or two years?

Or is this an impulsive "I didn't know we'd ever gotten a fleet strength report, fleet strength is important, so I'm going to ignore all other considerations and say to spam fleet strength reports" thing?

pheonix89 · Jul 24, 2017

SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
Once Mutual Support completes, I would suggest moving Green Excelsiors from internal to BZ as it gives them the highest event rate. Remember, D score doesn't increase with veterancy.

Yep.

SBZ looks like the best leveling grounds. FIVE sectors to mutual support to and a starbase for that bonus.

Actually I'm kind of worried about the SBZ having missed event issues from ships using their response on Mutual Support.

lbmaian · Jul 24, 2017

Gnarker said:
[1] versus, for example, "you get some info for free, but not as much as with a dedicated report". Or maybe the free update and the report might have stacked, allowing us to get more in-depth intel than a normal report on it's own would have.

FYI you've clobbered your own vote with this in NetTally since it's being counted as a ranked vote.

Glassware · Jul 24, 2017

[X][CARD] Cardassian Shipbuilding Report
[X][CARD] Cardassian Tactics Report
[X][ROM] Romulan Ship Analysis Report - Bird-of-Prey-Replacement
[X][REPORT] Ship Analysis Report: Klingon Bird-of-Prey Mark II
[X][REPORT] Klingon Fleet Strength Report
[X][REPORT] Klingon New Battleship Early Report
[X][REPORT] Horizon Harmony Diplomatic Posture Report
[X][REPORT] Cardassian Logistics and Deployment requirements
[X][REPORT] Horizon Fleet Strength

I'm curious to see what the Tauni can tell us, if nothing else.

AlphaDelta · Jul 24, 2017

Briefvoice said:
See what I'm looking at, though, is that the Sydraxian Border Zone covers five additional sectors by Mutual Support. So maybe it's better to just put two Excelsiors there even if it means a critical interior sector doesn't get an Excelsior flagship.

...

Umm... That's what I was arguing for?

AlphaDelta said:
There's two constraints to optimize against: Responses made and Events passed.

IMO, Cruiser + Centaur or even a Miranda in less crucial sectors should be acceptable, or even solo cruiser once Mutual Support is up.

We need our BZ Flags and Critical Sector Flagships more than one in every sector.

ThoughtMaster · Jul 24, 2017

You know, with the threat of Syndraxia neutralized, I honestly wouldn't be too surprised if the council orders for the dissolution of the SBZ due to the reason behind the existence of the border zone being solved.

SynchronizedWritersBlock · Jul 24, 2017

ThoughtMaster said:
You know, with the threat of Syndraxia neutralized, I honestly wouldn't be too surprised if the council orders for the dissolution of the SBZ due to the reason behind the existence of the border zone being solved.

I wouldn't be opposed to that if it could be rolled into a Coreward Border Zone for a pp cost.

pheonix89 · Jul 24, 2017

ThoughtMaster said:
You know, with the threat of Syndraxia neutralized, I honestly wouldn't be too surprised if the council orders for the dissolution of the SBZ due to the reason behind the existence of the border zone being solved.

Not happening.

Frontier zones are now officially a confirmed mechanic, so the SBZ is basically now the Spinwards-Corewards Frontier Zone.

SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
I wouldn't be opposed to that if it could be rolled into a Coreward Border Zone for a pp cost.

There isn't a Coreward border zone listed.

There's the Horizon Border Zone, but the SBZ is already nearing the size limit. See how we're about to get a second Cardassian BZ?

Incorperating the HBZ would make the SBZ bigger than both CBZ combined. Or bigger than the RBZ and KBZ.

lbmaian · Jul 24, 2017

nocarename said:
Alright, I've changed that up and punched in some assumptions for future conditions, plus the Ked Paddah snakepit info.
Also fixed some parts where my math was wrong. I think I got everything, but like that really means anything.
I am now prepared for the thread to tear it apart and find my mistakes.
To Boldly Go - Logistics Projections

Haven't had time to do a detailed look yet - will hopefully do so in a couple hours. But for now, another couple comments.

1) The source data here looks like it's based off my audit ledger spreadsheet. Some important considerations:

a) The income sheet is split into C:V "Previous EOY Income" (which for 2317 means the 2316 EOY income) and X:AQ "Income Changes" (which for 2317 means changes in income this year since 2316 EOY). I don't think you're looking at the "Income Changes" section.

For ex, the colonies scheduled for 2317 completion (Kohl II, Piara V, Mica III, 29 ~~Miele~~ Baker V) are showing up as empty in your sheet, but there are numbers for them in the "Income Changes" section.

b) Industrial needs to take into account ALL the BR and SR annual income, not just the ones from member worlds and colonies. That means that it includes misc trading agreements, earlier omake rewards, etc. The 2317 numbers you're looking for are currently C784 & E784 (2316 EOY total) and X784 & Z784 (2317 total changes so far).

c) edit: I do also list expected income next year (2318) in the "Income Delayed Until Next Year" row on the main sheet tab. That's currently row 705 for this year (2317).

2) Would be helpful to list the known starbases, outposts, and stations out to ensure that the ones orbiting homeworlds and major worlds are being properly excluded.

3) Overall, to be helpful in the long-term, your sheet may need to be reconfigured to track expected logistics year-over-year, similar to Briefvoice's quarter-over-quarter shipbuild projection spreadsheet. In fact, it could be worth it to import data from my audit ledger spreadsheet and BV's shipbuild planning spreadsheet via IMPORTRANGE formulas somehow.

pbluekan · Jul 24, 2017

pheonix89 said:
Not happening.

Frontier zones are now officially a confirmed mechanic, so the SBZ is basically now the Spinwards-Corewards Frontier Zone.

And when the Sydraxians are affiliated or become members? The zone would certainly move, but I wouldn't be surprised if we dissolve it sooner, rather than later, and re-up it in a different position as the frontier zone.

Goat · Jul 24, 2017

pbluekan said:
And when the Sydraxians are affiliated or become members?

Truly, the Federation is most insidious. They are the diplomatic Borg, they make you want to be assimilated ....

Jrin · Jul 24, 2017

[X][CARD] Cardassian Tactics Report (Gain +5% combat vs Cardassian fleets for the next 12 months)
[X][CARD] Cardassian Shipbuilding Report

[X][ROM] Romulan Ship Analysis Report - Bird-of-Prey-Replacement

[X][REPORT] Arcadian Empire Diplomatic Posture Report
[X][REPORT] Dylaarian Federation Diplomatic Posture Report
[X][REPORT] Update on the Hishmeri Situation
[X][REPORT] Horizon Harmony Diplomatic Posture Report
[X][REPORT] Interstellar Commonwealth Diplomatic Posture Report
[X][REPORT] GBZ: Konen fleet strength

Steven Kodaly · Jul 24, 2017

OneirosTheWriter said:
So anyone have any good ideas for design styles for Institute logos? <.<

Shark pictures. All the shark pictures.

Simon_Jester · Jul 24, 2017

ThoughtMaster said:
You know, with the threat of Syndraxia neutralized, I honestly wouldn't be too surprised if the council orders for the dissolution of the SBZ due to the reason behind the existence of the border zone being solved.

I think for that to happen, we'd need to not only 'neutralize' the Sydraxians (note spelling), we'd need to be assured of their friendliness. If we could, say, get them up to major affiliates, the Sydraxian Border Zone might well advance a few subsectors to coreward and become 'the Border Zone that protects the Sydraxians' instead of 'the Border Zone that protects against the Sydraxians.'

The Cardassian Border Zone advanced in similar fashion, rolling forward past the Apiata and Indorians when they affiliated. Heck, when it was created I think it may have been on our side of Amarki space, though I could be wrong about that.

pheonix89 said:
Not happening.

Frontier zones are now officially a confirmed mechanic, so the SBZ is basically now the Spinwards-Corewards Frontier Zone.

There isn't a Coreward border zone listed.

There's the Horizon Border Zone, but the SBZ is already nearing the size limit. See how we're about to get a second Cardassian BZ?

Incorperating the HBZ would make the SBZ bigger than both CBZ combined. Or bigger than the RBZ and KBZ.

You know... it'd just be a name change. Like, the border zone still exists, but it's no longer guarding against the same thing, and it may have moved, so it just gets renamed.

SynchronizedWritersBlock · Jul 24, 2017

The Graduates that are apparently gaining ground on Dar Nakar favored isolationism, so as long as we are assured of that we may not need to make them affiliates, just guarantees of non-hostile.

nocarename · Jul 24, 2017

lbmaian said:
Haven't had time to do a detailed look yet - will hopefully do so in a couple hours. But for now, another couple comments.

1) The source data here looks like it's based off my audit ledger spreadsheet. Some important considerations:

a) The income sheet is split into C:V "Previous EOY Income" (which for 2317 means the 2316 EOY income) and X:AQ "Income Changes" (which for 2317 means changes in income this year since 2316 EOY). I don't think you're looking at the "Income Changes" section.

For ex, the colonies scheduled for 2317 completion (Kohl II, Piara V, Mica III, 29 ~~Miele~~ Baker V) are showing up as empty in your sheet, but there are numbers for them in the "Income Changes" section.

b) Industrial needs to take into account ALL the BR and SR annual income, not just the ones from member worlds and colonies. That means that it includes misc trading agreements, earlier omake rewards, etc. The 2317 numbers you're looking for are currently C784 & E784 (2316 EOY total) and X784 & Z784 (2317 total changes so far).

c) edit: I do also list expected income next year (2318) in the "Income Delayed Until Next Year" row on the main sheet tab. That's currently row 705 for this year (2317).

1)It is indeed.
a)I'll punch in that additional colony info and...
b)other incomes...
c)and those too.
Thank you for this. Lag in following through on changes is not a lack of appreciation, only free time.

2) Would be helpful to list the known starbases, outposts, and stations out to ensure that the ones orbiting homeworlds and major worlds are being properly excluded.

Added to the to-do list.

3) Overall, to be helpful in the long-term, your sheet may need to be reconfigured to track expected logistics year-over-year, similar to Briefvoice's quarter-over-quarter shipbuild projection spreadsheet. In fact, it could be worth it to import data from my audit ledger spreadsheet and BV's shipbuild planning spreadsheet via IMPORTRANGE formulas somehow.

Given that I currently need to manually tweak the shipping assignments (except Supply, which is very SR dominated) I'm not sure how practical this is. I'll see what I can do though.

Goat · Jul 24, 2017

Just a minor thought. Nothing really new, but it is an interesting process to me.

To our major neighbours, the Federation has been a puzzle, strong on defence but quick to avoid offence, just quietly there. An overall government that just doesn't work in their own experience. When they had an aggressive fleet commander they made him resign over the trifling issue of making warships. Their Starfleet had only a handful of ships, mostly long range explorers with little support.

Then in last two decades it has more than tripled in size, gone from 4 members to potentially mid-teens, engaged in an offensive war that saw them smash through a fleet that was battle tested and had already forced back other powers for minimal losses; and for all their public stance of peace, almost all fleet actions in the GBZ have been started by Starfleet. The fleet has exploded in size, with more capital ships then possibly all three closest neighbours combined and those big ships are supported by a comparatively numerically weak but growing modern cruiser line.

A century of being viewed as weak outside of their immediate borders vs the explosive growth that is going on ....

Derek58 · Jul 24, 2017

Goat said:
Just a minor thought. Nothing really new, but it is an interesting process to me.

To our major neighbours, the Federation has been a puzzle, strong on defence but quick to avoid offence, just quietly there. An overall government that just doesn't work in their own experience. When they had an aggressive fleet commander they made him resign over the trifling issue of making warships. Their Starfleet had only a handful of ships, mostly long range explorers with little support.

Then in last two decades it has more than tripled in size, gone from 4 members to potentially mid-teens, engaged in an offensive war that saw them smash through a fleet that was battle tested and had already forced back other powers for minimal losses; and for all their public stance of peace, almost all fleet actions in the GBZ have been started by Starfleet. The fleet has exploded in size, with more capital ships then possibly all three closest neighbours combined and those big ships are supported by a comparatively numerically weak but growing modern cruiser line.

A century of being viewed as weak outside of their immediate borders vs the explosive growth that is going on ....

And I can't wait for the reaction when they encounter one of our shiny new Ambassadors, and then see Enterprise on the hull

AlphaDelta · Jul 24, 2017

Derek58 said:
And I can't wait for the reaction when they encounter one of our shiny new Ambassadors, and then see Enterprise on the hull

Did I mention that there's two?

And there's seven on the way?

Scratch that, there's 10 on the way.

Legate Dikhed: :eek:

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