According to the chapter it would need a fair amount of improvement for our purposes. Interpretation is a significant problem. Especially as we used some of the witchy parts to lighten the load last time. That time we saw shapes, with the implications that it was somewhat vague, this time we need shapes, locations in 3d space, and quality of color and texture.
Given the problem is computation, we could try a mechanical computer for that. (Or possibly a hybrid optical/mechanical one but I imagine we're likely missing quite a lot of components for that.)
*Ponders*
But if we made the world's smallest Babbage engine/rod logic computer, could it run Doom?
Anyways, updated vote. I think it gets more of what I'm trying to do in a more flexible form.
[X] Wake up before Mami. Make Mami breakfast in bed. Make progress on a non-witchy grief eye for remote cooking, but don't spend too much time trying.
[X]Cook lunch swap for the Asunaro crew with Mami.
[X] Radio Mitakihara Morning News, but not so early that you wake up Sayaka.
-[X] Bring everyone up to speed on Asunaro plans.
-[X] Ask about news or plans from everyone else, keep everyone on the same page.
[X] Find a moment to test your magic on Mami's ribbons. Have a little silly fun doing it.
[X] Clock grief movement speed.
[X] After seeing Mami to school, set an alarm so you have enough time to spend at least half an hour in Kazamino before leaving for Asunaro.
-[X] Head to Warehouse-kun to do some science. -[X] Leave some spare time to deal with any issues that might come up in Kasamino or Asunaro.
(rod logic is awesome, by the way, and I am absolutely proposing at that at some point we try to build a full-blown computer out of it.)
(then maybe we'll load it up with an AI.)
(...and then maybe that AI would escape our control and become a new antagonist.)
(or maybe it wouldn't be a new antagonist - what if that's what Feathers is? A malevolent rod logic supercomputer AI that got out of Sabrina's control during a SCIENCE session.)
"Hey, Mami? You know how I can use Grief to make mechanisms of arbitrarily small size and extremely high precision? Well, the good news is I decided it would be foolish to use this to create an artificial intelligence of unknown power and ethical nature. The bad news is I instead made some nano-meter scale machines that can self-replicate. They're eaten all the ice cream. And the 2 floors below us."
Remember that scene where Laurie gets upset with Dr. Manhattan because they're having romantic time, but it turns out he's actually got a whole bunch of blue clones running around multitasking?
You are trying to be Dr. Manhattan. Do not be Dr. Manhattan. He is not good at human relationships.
Except that we're using it to make her breakfast in bed, which is also romantic. We're using multitasking to do twice as much romantic stuff for her. It's the polar opposite of what Dr. Manhattan did.
Except that we're using it to make her breakfast in bed, which is also romantic. We're using multitasking to do twice as much romantic stuff for her. It's the polar opposite of what Dr. Manhattan did.
Yeah, well, springing a surprise threesome on somebody isn't really "romantic" in the traditional sense. And he was also doing his research in another room at the same time. And, frankly, he had been really emotionally distant and apathetic towards her for a while by that point, so it was really just the latest example of something that had been happeneing for quite some time. The one thing Sabrina absolutely hasn't been towards Mami is "distant".
Remember that scene where Laurie gets upset with Dr. Manhattan because they're having romantic time, but it turns out he's actually got a whole bunch of blue clones running around multitasking?
You are trying to be Dr. Manhattan. Do not be Dr. Manhattan. He is not good at human relationships.
I remember that scene and I remember being annoyed at her. There's plenty of Manhattan to go around. If he can give you the attention you want while still getting work done then why shouldn't he?
There's complex emotions involved here that don't really mesh well with her limited understanding of what he's become. She wants to be the center of his attention but he can't really give her that because she's so small in comparison to his expanded faculties.
I doubt we have that level focus from what we've seen of Sabrina so far but I'm confidant we can remote breakfast and still cuddle Mumi.
I remember that scene and I remember being annoyed at her. There's plenty of Manhattan to go around. If he can give you the attention you want while still getting work done then why shouldn't he?
There's complex emotions involved here that don't really mesh well with her limited understanding of what he's become. She wants to be the center of his attention but he can't really give her that because she's so small in comparison to his expanded faculties.
I doubt we have that level focus from what we've seen of Sabrina so far but I'm confidant we can remote breakfast and still cuddle Mumi.
Consciousness filters in slowly, trickling back in in drips and drabs. You're cocooned in delicious warmth, and there are a pair of arms wrapped possessively around your waist. Mami. Recollection of yesterday is quicker to come, like a thunderbolt striking and bringing with it simple joy.
Your eyes drift open, to be greeted by Mami's peacefully sleeping face, just centimeters away from yours. Her breath mingles with yours, tickling your skin.
You can't help the guilty squirm that's always at the back of your mind, that Mami isn't really fully well and you don't want to take advantage of her for your own selfish reasons, but... you've gone over that already with yourself, around and around and still-
You're here. And this is fine. It's not perfect, but it's wonderful. You smile at Mami, admiring how she manages to look effortlessly radiant, with her hair messy from sleep and illuminated by just the streetlight shining in through the window.
The joy is enough to buoy you out of the bed, except that you have a plan this morning that begins with stealing Mami's alarm clock with a few marbles of Grief you guide in from your bag out in the living room. You float it carefully over to where your arms are wound around Mami, and flick the alarm off before carefully setting it back on the bedside table.
Phase one, complete: Mami is dear to you, and she's amazing in so many ways, but she is not a morning person. She's not waking up until much later.
Phase two, then. You need more Grief, but that's easy enough to solve. You already have Grief migrating down from the roof, along the exterior of the building - and you skid a few Grief marbles along the wall until you find the window, and its latch.
You focus for a few minutes as you mould the Grief thoughtfully. You could make a chibi you, or you could make an army of chibi yous, or you could make a full sized version of yourself. The problem with that, though, is that you aren't absolutely sure the sensation of Witch won't wake Mami. She might be used to it, but that doesn't mean it isn't there.
Hmm.
Alright, then. You'll fall back on the same trick you used yesterday: a carefully balanced array of arrays of nanoscale cantilevers sensitive enough to feel the dance of photons. It's not sight; it's not wired into your visual cortex. It's more like someone drawing on your skin with a million tiny little pins, each one a photon twanging a tiny, tiny bar of Grief.
It's not much harder to shrink the arrays a little so you can see in the visual spectrum. Without active Grief, you don't have the carefully designed lensing arrays, but you make do with parallel constructs in the same way a long baseline radio telescope array might work. Besides, this gets you stereoscopic sight, which is useful.
Manipulating kitchen equipment is much easier. Grief forms a perfect actuator, of course. You can lift pans and keep them absolutely steady, for one, and tossing a pancake with mechanical precision shouldn't be too hard. You'll put that to the test in a bit. First, you have to actually make the pancakes.
You set about doing just that - a dozen different things happening at once as you fill the rice cooker, grab some breaded chicken from the fridge, start whisking up some vinaigrette for salad, clean out the strawberries, crack eggs into a mixing bowl for the batter... There's a minor jam at the sink as you try to clean too many dishes at once, the clatter of colliding plates making you wince even from here.
Nothing broken, thankfully.
Breakfast takes twenty minutes to prepare, with a basic lunch on the way. You're certain Mami will want to cook something special to swap with the Asunaro girls, so you've just prepared some fried chicken, rice, and salad - a nice, simple baseline.
And still plenty early for you to have a nice, leisurely breakfast in bed, and for Mami to cook. Perfect. You take a moment to set it all up on a Grief tray, and hover the platform over to the door, just out of sight.
"Mami?" you murmur, smiling and worming one hand free of the covers to pat Mami's cheek. "Mami, time to wake up."
"Mmm?" she mumbles, face scrunching up adorably as she nuzzles against your hand. "Mmmmm."
You giggle, patting her cheek a little more firmly. "Mami, it's time to wake up. Breakfast is ready."
"Mmmmmn," she hums, a gentle smile rising to her face. Her eyes flicker open a few seconds later, sleep-befuddled gold meeting your gaze. "Breakfast?"
"Good morning, Mami," you say, smiling warmly at her.
"Good-" she's interrupted by a huge yawn. "Good morning, Sabrina. You- you prepared breakfast?"
"Yup," you say, beaming.
"You shouldn't have," she says, giving you a soft, fondly exasperated smile as she starts to sit up.
"Nuh-uh," you say, tightening your arm around her waist and stopping her from getting up. "I should have. Stay."
"Mm?" Mami says, twisting to look at her clock. "Oh, it's still early..."
"Yeah, I thought you might want to make something special for lunch," you say with a smile. "But no, stay here."
The puzzled look on her face is chased away by the arrival of your breakfast tray - heaps of pancakes, with fresh fruit and honey and butter and cream, and freshly steeped tea.
"Oh, Sabrina," Mami says, beaming at you. "It looks wonderful. You really shouldn't have."
"Should and did," you say, grinning right back as you float the tray over.
Mami beams at you, and then blushes. "Um... I do need to get up," she says, with a meaningful glance at the wall.
You give her a quizzical look before it clicks. "Ah, right. Now that you mention it, I need to go, too... OK, breakfast in bed is postponed for fifteen minutes."
She huffs a laugh, and hops off the bed as you move your breakfast clear and cover it to keep it warm.
When you exit the bathroom, you find Mami in the kitchen, fussing with a pot. She gives you a quick, slightly guilty smile, stirring more.
You laugh, and walk over to hug her from behind. "Cooking for lunch?"
"I wanted to get an early start," she defends half-heartedly, uncertainty flickering across her face. "Is- is that OK? I don't... the breakfast in bed is wonderful, Sabrina, and I don't want to waste it, and I'm looking forward to it, but I just need a little bit more time to cook. I- I'm sorry."
"I get it," you say with a reassuring smile as you tuck your chin on her shoulder. "I get it, Mami, you don't have to justify yourself. What are we cooking?"
"Ribollita," Mami says, biting her lip. "It's- it's alright? Really?"
"Yes, really," you say with a warm smile. "It's OK, Mami. I understand."
"Alright," she whispers, leaning into your embrace.
You hug her close for a few minutes before speaking again. Ribollita... a rich stew of vegetables and meat, thickened with bread. And it's nice and simple, too. "What do we need to do next?"
"Um... just to add the beans and herbs," Mami says, indicating the small bowl of beans, already washed and ready. "Then we need to reduce it for a bit."
"Well, we can eat breakfast in bed while it reduces, right?" you say, tightening your hug around her. "It'll be fine."
"Alright," Mami repeats, relaxing. "Then- I'll add it in?"
"Yeah," you say, releasing Mami to let her work. She gives you a wan smile, which you return warm and pleased as she stirs the pot and adds the next round of ingredients, reducing the heat.
"All done?" you say, smiling at her and wrapping your arm around her waist. "Shall we have breakfast?"
"I'd like that," she murmurs.
"Then let's," you say, tugging her back towards the bedroom, where breakfast is waiting. You beam at Mami as you tug her back onto the bed, and she curls up beside you with a quiet noise. You sit side by side, arranging the pillows to get more comfortable.
... the bed's a little cramped to be eating breakfast side by side on, if you're honest. Regardless, you float the breakfast tray over, beaming at Mami.
"Dig in," you say with a smile, and uncover your breakfast. It's still warm, a gust of lovely sweet fragrance wafting invitingly towards you. "Itadakimasu!"
Mami echoes you, and with your encouraging smile, reaches for the fork to grab some pancakes. She slices off a small piece, drizzling it with butter and honey before popping it into her mouth. You watch as she chews, irrationally anxious. You've made pancakes before, but this has to be perfect.
"It's wonderful," she says, beaming at you.
"Good," you say, a broad smile breaking out on your face as the tension vanishes from your shoulders. You help yourself to more pancakes, and start in on your own breakfast.
Truth be told, you think the pancakes are a little soggy from the wait, but you're not going to say anything about that. You finish breakfast, Mami giving you a bright smile as you stand and head to the kitchen to clean up the dishes and finish the ribollita.
You take a moment to reach out by telepathy as you cook, mental call going out across Mitakihara. "Goooood morning Mitakihara!"
"You're late today," Sayaka says, sounding amused.
"Eh," you say. "Waking you up early was funny once or twice, but I don't want to actually deprive you of sleep when you need it. Good morning!"
"Hmph," Sayaka says. "I'm still angry at you about the whole Oriko thing."
"Good morning, Sabrina! How are you?" Madoka says cheerfully.
"Good morning," Homura murmurs, Hitomi chiming in last. You make some small talk, checking that everyone's doing alright this morning - Sayaka seems uncertain as to whether to be thankful for the few minute's extra sleep, or to tease you over being late. You fill everyone in about your expected lunch guests from Asunaro, to which Madoka frets over not having known in advance.
After that, it's time to pack and be ready to leave for the day. You and Mami take turns to change - you put on a blouse and a pair of pants. You are going to Asunaro, after all, so you have to be appropriately equipped to blow their minds with proper clothes.
You grin brightly at Mami as you step out of the bedroom. She smiles back, radiantly pleased.
"Oh, by the way, Mami, can I get some ribbon from you?" you say as you reach for your bag, slinging it over your shoulder. You'd meant to do some testing yesterday, but you didn't have the time for it.
"Mm? Of course," Mami says, pressing her thumb and middle finger together before pulling them apart to reveal the bright glint of her ribbons. "How much do you need?"
"Uhh," you say. "Maybe a few meters?"
"Alright," Mami says, offering the ribbon to you, still held taut between her two fingers. "Pull!"
You grin at her, and do just that - you hook a finger through the middle and start pulling. It unspools as if drawn from some invisible reel, Mami's smile widening as you laugh in delight.
"Alright, that's enough," you say, grinning at Mami. With a twist of her wrist, she detaches the ribbon from her fingers, leaving you with a small pile of golden ribbon pooled around your feet. You start stuffing it into your bag. "Thanks!"
"Of course, Sabrina," she says.
And then you're headed out. You're carrying the stew, poured carefully into a large Tupperware and wrapped carefully with a thermal bag to keep it warm.
"You're sure you can leave it at school?" you ask Mami, indicating the plastic container. "I can carry it with some Grief, no problem."
"It'll be fine," Mami says, beaming at you. "I'll just leave it in my locker."
"Alright," you say, walking closer and bumping your shoulder against hers - you'd hold her hand, but both of yours are currently full with carrying the stew.
You're joined by your friends along the way, making your way to school in a chattering little mob. You don't let Homura drift quietly at the edge of the group, either - you and Mami exchange a sly grin and work in tandem to corral her towards the center of the group where Madoka's walking.
"And here we are," you say finally, nodding at the truancy officer, the same one as always. Does Mitakihara Middle School only have the one? Maybe they work in shifts or something. "Have a good day in school, everyone! Don't forget our guests later, yeah~?"
"'course not!" Sayaka says, grinning and flashing you an energetic thumbs up. "We'll make a good impression, I bet! Though, right - Sabrina, you said you wanted to talk to me at some point, right?"
"Oh, yeah," you say, scowling. "Yeah, I'd nearly forgotten, thanks for the reminder. Uh... I'll catch up with you at some point."
Homura nods, amethyst eyes fixing on yours for a long, long second before she nods and half-turns towards the school gates. You all exchange goodbyes, except for Mami, who hums quietly, waiting for the others to trickle off towards the building.
She approaches you as Sayaka leads the sedate charge on Mitakihara Middle School. There's a warm smile on her face as she takes the container from you, and then she hesitates.
"See you later, Mami," you say. "Lunchtime."
"See you," she echoes, taking a reluctant step back, eyes still fixed on you.
You smile at her. "I promise."
"Alright," she whispers, finally turning to head towards the gates. You wait until she disappears into the building with one last lingering look back at you.
With another polite nod for the truancy officer, you head off. You have science to do, and Mami's ex-student to kidnap. To which end, you set an alarm on your phone for an hour from now - that should leave you a reasonable amount of time for you to drop by Kasamino, and then head to Asunaro and back.
For now, you turn down an alleyway. You'll head over to Warehouse-kun for a science session.
Hm. If you're with Mami now, that means Warehouse-kun is unattached, you suppose. Maybe you'll ship him with Table-chan or something.
... nah, that's silly.
You nearly trip over Kyuubey as you crest the roof from your wall-hopping. Instead you flinch, and stumble over to the side.
"What do you want?" you snap at the little alien perching on the edge of the roof.
The Incubator stares at you with unblinking red eyes. "Sabrina, your chosen method of travel is unsubtle. Recent times have resulted in a disproportionate amount of effort expended in maintaining the secrecy of magic."
"Uh huh," you say, frowning. Euphemistic references towards mind-wipes, of course, which you're not quite happy with. "Why do you bring this up?"
"I would like to introduce you to a puella magi versed in stealth," Kyuubey says, tail flicking slowly as it hops up on an air conditioning vent so that it's nearly eye level with you. "And I'd like you to acquire a stealth enchantment from her. This benefits both of us."
"Sayaka has stealth, too," you point out, staring at Kyuubey. That's... well, it could be trying to backstab you, but this is explicitly an offer for you.
"She needs to go to school," Kyuubey says. "Additionally, she's inexperienced with enchantment, and won't be able to make you a stealth device."
"Uh... huh," you say. "Or I could ask Yuko, over in Sendai."
"She has not experimented with enchantment," Kyuubey answers, pausing for a second. "This is to our mutual benefit."
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[] Talk to Kyuubey
- [] About?
- [] Agree with its offer
- [] Disagree
[] Head to Warehouse-kun for Science
- [] Experiment on the ribbon
- [] One more avenue of research
[] Head to Kasamino
- [] Talk to Kyouko about?
- [] What do you offer as payment
[] Write-in (word count limit: 150 words)
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And here begins Book 2, chapter 9: "We Don't Go To Ravenholm Asunaro..."
Hmm...Coobs said he'd "like [us] to acquire a stealth enchantment from her."
While the "I would like to introduce you to" makes it sound friendly, I'm wary of the little weasel's offer.
Just because Kyubey has no compunctions about being deceitful doesn't mean he has a compulsion to be.
This might be just what it appears.
Besides. Invisible Jet!
[edit] At some point, I really want to have a good talk with Kyubey. They gotta be making some sort of basic error of reason, because they're behaving remarkably stupid for an ostensibly-smart race.
I think what's going on is ... like, from our human perspective, the Madoka Magica universe is obviously a "managed" universe. (I don't want to say "a story" here, because that explanation only works from the outside.) But like ... if you're looking at the sort of universes yu get naturally, they all probably look sort of like ours - basic laws at a very low level, and high-level constructs emerging through spontaneous organization and evolutionary selection.
That's not the Madoka Magica universe - that one is the universe where souls are an ontologically basic object, and the laws of the universe are completely rewritable by little girls' hopes and dreams. That's not a universe, that's a running game of Nomic that somebody built a world on. You don't get that kind of universe naturally, or you shouldn't expect to, because minds are too complicated to expect them to pop up as basic objects. No, this is the kind of universe that you get if you have some sort of God, which doesn't necessarily have to mean "old man with a beard" but can range from "benevolent superintelligence" to "bored alien kid with too much computer capacity". Not to imply that this universe has a divine purpose, but somebody clearly set it up to specifically pay attention to conscious minds and treat them as basic objects. I don't know how you got from that to the witch system - clearly it can't be a physical necessity because Madoka's World completely bypassed it, without immediately collapsing into a puff of entropy.
Anyway, I think that the error the Kyubes are making is that they're stuck evaluating universal theories in order of complexity, so they think that somehow, this universe has to run on sane reductionist simple laws, and they can't think of the "alien kid" hypothesis because they simply don't have the imagination to create that scenario. They keep thinking that the universe has to have an impartial, manipulatable set of laws, and they lack the imaginative capacity or symbol-space to hit the hypothesis that the universe is deliberately caused by a sentient, conscious entity who cares about the lives of other sentient, conscious entities, who for some reason wants little girls to have the power to reshape reality, and they are not, as they should be, absolutely bloody terrified of the possibility of offending that entity.
Since they don't have stories, they consistently fail to deduce that the universe runs on storybook logic.
(It doesn't help that Madoka Magica runs on "dark and gritty" storybook logic. Thanks Gen.)
So I would like a clarification from Coobs here, his method does account for our massive cloud of Greif right? cause we could be Invisible all day and still cause a fuss cause we ride in a FUCKHUGE CLOUD OF ENCROACHING DARKNESS AND DESPAIR.
Alternatively we could work on Active Camouflage for our MOF. It should work just fine even if it is detectable by MG senses. The only issue here would be time really.
The Incubator stares at you with unblinking red eyes. "Sabrina, your chosen method of travel is unsubtle. Recent times have resulted in a disproportionate amount of effort expended in maintaining the secrecy of magic."
"Uh huh," you say, frowning. Euphemistic references towards mind-wipes, of course, which you're not quite happy with. "Why do you bring this up?"
"I would like to introduce you to a puella magi versed in stealth," Kyuubey says, tail flicking slowly as it hops up on an air conditioning vent so that it's nearly eye level with you. "And I'd like you to acquire a stealth enchantment from her. This benefits both of us."
"Sayaka has stealth, too," you point out, staring at Kyuubey. That's... well, it could be trying to backstab you, but this is explicitly an offer for you.
"She needs to go to school," Kyuubey says. "Additionally, she's inexperienced with enchantment, and won't be able to make you a stealth device."
"Uh... huh," you say. "Or I could ask Yuko, over in Sendai."
"She has not experimented with enchantment," Kyuubey answers, pausing for a second. "This is to our mutual benefit."
Well regardless of how we feel about Kyuubey we should not ignore a chance to peacefully make contact with another magical girl. This seems to be a fairly safe offer, and is perhaps a chance to throw Kyuubey a bone without risking to much our self. We should still be cautious though and ask lots of questions. Make sure there is no hidden features in the enchantment that Kyuubey could use against us and stuff.
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[X] Get a telepathic okay from Niko to talk about Hijiri. Try to think exclusively about the one we gave the seed to, rather than the one sitting in front of us, in case we have an evil clone situation.
[X] Privacy Sphere
[X] Information
-[X] How far is the range on that memory device?
-[X] It runs on magic, right? So it should react to Antimagic?
-[X] Any other unusual occurences?
[X] Rogue's gallery dump
-[X] Asaka Yuuri and Anri Airi
-[X] If we got the okay, Hijiri dump with help from Niko
[X] Plans for finding the Villain
-[X] Most likely positions at this time if we know them. Hijiri might be at Niko's old home, ect.
-[X] Preventing Mind-shenanigans is a must
-[X] Probable combat.
-[X] Teams? One, two, or three?
[X] Enact Operation Sherlock
-[X] Contact Homura and ask her if she'd be willing to do periodic check-ins on our team leaders/us. To prevent forget-me cloaks from working properly.
[x] Cleansing, everyone!
-[x] Get it copied.
[x] Privately tell Kirika to start antimagicking herself and Oriko.
[x] Explain the Soujus and Anri.
[x] Privately explain Kanna to Niko. Be gentle and supportive.
-[x] Encourage her to tell the rest of the Pleiades about her wish.
[X] Discuss:
-[X] RoE. When you catch the thief, you want to talk. If they regret their actions, cooperate, and return what they stole, you want them to have a new Clear Seed. Rehabilitative justice. Ensure they don't do it again by giving them no reason to.
[X] Don't steamroll!
[X] Soul Gem cleansing, everyone?
[X] Share: Three suspects:
-[X] Yuuri, her powers fit the attack.
-[X] 'Souju'. Not the likely culprit.
[X] Telepathy Niko: Apologize; nudge her to share the details of her Wish. It's better they hear this from her.
[X] Discuss:
-[X] When you catch the thief, you want to talk. If they regret their actions, cooperate, and return what they stole, you want them to have a new Clear Seed.
[X] Ask Niko for details about the Memory Field, and advice on how to counter it.
-[X] A tall order, but ask Kirika if she can make permanent Anti Magic effects as protection.
[X] Have Kazumi and Sayaka copy the Fog, the MoF, and everything useful.
[X] Tracking: Search for physical/magical traces.
[X] Searching: Groups, base of operations, check-ins and scheduling. One MoF per group.
[X] Keep the story straight. Relay as though we're covering for Oriko.
-[X] Yuuri, her powers fit the attack.
-[X] 'Souju'. Not the likely culprit.
[X] Privately, tell Niko that we're aware of another possible culprit who appears to a history with Niko, named Kanna Hijiri. Ask for her okay to talk about her.
[X] Discuss the Memory Field's details, and how to counter it.
-[X] personally broach the idea of Kirkia's antimagic but keep things open.
[X] Rig up tests to look for traces of various possible methods that might have induced sleep.
[X] Searching
-[X] re-construct your detection enhancing Ioun stone for Kazumi to copy.
-[X] Sayaka brigade?
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[x] Simultaneously: Telepathy Sayaka and discuss showing up for her parents and for school. Fly a clone home? Commit hard to upcoming reveal of magic to parents?
[x] Propose bringing Hijiri along. You're not done asking questions.
[x] Persuade Hijiri to connect you to Yuuri. Take the opportunity to affirm her personhood and agency.
-[x] Choices have consequences, both good and bad. Her past actions have damaged everyone's ability to trust her. She can fix that by making different choices going forward.
-[x] Reassure her by expressing your desire to help everyone, even after they make mistakes - if nothing else, people without problems don't cause problems for others.
-[x] Give her an opportunity to help you help her: Drop the memory thing and help you deal with Yuuri.
[x] Get information about Yuuri.
[x] Proceed.
-[x] If no cooperation: Break to vote.
-[x] Otherwise: Ask the group to let you speak to Yuuri alone. She knows dangerous things and you don't want her having everyone's brainmail address.
[x] Gently explain to Hijiri why she can't leave. Yes, she is a real person with all the rights thereof. And when real people steal stuff and attack people, they don't get to just leave until they've made things right.
[x] Telepathy: Ask everyone to give you some room so you can try to talk her down.
[x] Simultaneously: Telepathy Sayaka and ask how to handle her parents waking up soon. Fly back? Send clone? Text them claiming she had an early softball practice? What about school in a few hours? Call out sick?
[x] Therapy-ize Hijiri a bit.
-[x] Like any person, Hijiri's choices have consequences. What she did damaged people's ability to trust her. But it's still possible to win that trust back.
-[x] Help her feel safer by expressing your desire to help everyone, including people that've made bad choices and interfered with other people's peaceful lives.
-[x] Give her an easy opportunity, let her help you help her: Let go of the memory thing. It's not doing her any good now: everyone knows where she is and Niko's clearly immune to it. All it's doing is preventing you from helping her.
-[x] If successful, ask about Yuuri and what exactly happened between them.
[x] Simultaneously: Telepathy Sayaka and discuss showing up for her parents and for school. Fly a clone home? Commit hard to upcoming reveal of magic to parents? -[x] After that: Telepathy Kazumi about the lack of meguca in the city. If necessary, bring up outside knowledge suggesting there should be more. --[x] If she's evasive, namedrop the Freezer.
[x] Propose bringing Hijiri along. You're not done asking questions.
[x] Persuade Hijiri to connect you to Yuuri. Take the opportunity to affirm her personhood and agency.
-[x] Choices have consequences, both good and bad. Her past actions have damaged everyone's ability to trust her. She can fix that by making different choices going forward.
-[x] Reassure her by expressing your desire to help everyone, even after they make mistakes - if nothing else, people without problems don't cause problems for others.
-[x] Give her an opportunity to help you help her: Drop the memory thing and help you deal with Yuuri.
[x] Get information about Yuuri.
[x] Proceed.
-[x] If no cooperation: break the memory device
-[x] Otherwise: Ask the group to let you speak to Yuuri alone. She knows dangerous things and you don't want her having everyone's brainmail address.
[x] Simultaneously: Telepathy Sayaka and discuss her morning plans. Fly a clone home? Commit to revealing magic to parents?
[x] Propose bringing Hijiri along. You're not done asking questions.
-[x] Move discussion away from emotional overreactions to logical reasoning on an appropriate and rational punishment/response to Hijiri's actions.
[x] Affirm Hiriji's personhood and agency.
-[x] Literary quote: "No practical definition of freedom would be complete without the freedom to take the consequences. Indeed, it is the freedom upon which all the others are based."
-[x] All choices have consequences. Hijiri's past actions have damaged everyone's ability to trust her. She can fix that by making different choices going forward.
-[x] Reassure her by expressing your desire to help everyone, even after they make mistakes - if nothing else, people without problems cause fewer problems for others.
-[x] Give her an opportunity to help you help her: Dropping the memory thing, and helping you deal with Yuuri.
[x] Ask for information about Yuuri. What is her power, what are her goals, what is she like as a person? ... Why trust her?
-[x] Ask for a telepathy link. Ask to speak alone due to infohazard. Regardless of result, break for voting.
Adhoc vote count started by 4Dname on Nov 10, 2017 at 5:28 PM, finished with 128691 posts and 13 votes.
[x] Simultaneously: Telepathy Sayaka and discuss showing up for her parents and for school. Fly a clone home? Commit hard to upcoming reveal of magic to parents?
[x] Propose bringing Hijiri along. You're not done asking questions.
[x] Persuade Hijiri to connect you to Yuuri. Take the opportunity to affirm her personhood and agency.
-[x] Choices have consequences, both good and bad. Her past actions have damaged everyone's ability to trust her. She can fix that by making different choices going forward.
-[x] Reassure her by expressing your desire to help everyone, even after they make mistakes - if nothing else, people without problems don't cause problems for others.
-[x] Give her an opportunity to help you help her: Drop the memory thing and help you deal with Yuuri.
[x] Get information about Yuuri.
[x] Proceed.
-[x] If no cooperation: Break to vote.
-[x] Otherwise: Ask the group to let you speak to Yuuri alone. She knows dangerous things and you don't want her having everyone's brainmail address.
[x] Gently explain to Hijiri why she can't leave. Yes, she is a real person with all the rights thereof. And when real people steal stuff and attack people, they don't get to just leave until they've made things right.
[x] Telepathy: Ask everyone to give you some room so you can try to talk her down.
[x] Simultaneously: Telepathy Sayaka and ask how to handle her parents waking up soon. Fly back? Send clone? Text them claiming she had an early softball practice? What about school in a few hours? Call out sick?
[x] Therapy-ize Hijiri a bit.
-[x] Like any person, Hijiri's choices have consequences. What she did damaged people's ability to trust her. But it's still possible to win that trust back.
-[x] Help her feel safer by expressing your desire to help everyone, including people that've made bad choices and interfered with other people's peaceful lives.
-[x] Give her an easy opportunity, let her help you help her: Let go of the memory thing. It's not doing her any good now: everyone knows where she is and Niko's clearly immune to it. All it's doing is preventing you from helping her.
-[x] If successful, ask about Yuuri and what exactly happened between them.
[x] Simultaneously: Telepathy Sayaka and discuss showing up for her parents and for school. Fly a clone home? Commit hard to upcoming reveal of magic to parents? -[x] After that: Telepathy Kazumi about the lack of meguca in the city. If necessary, bring up outside knowledge suggesting there should be more. --[x] If she's evasive, namedrop the Freezer.
[x] Propose bringing Hijiri along. You're not done asking questions.
[x] Persuade Hijiri to connect you to Yuuri. Take the opportunity to affirm her personhood and agency.
-[x] Choices have consequences, both good and bad. Her past actions have damaged everyone's ability to trust her. She can fix that by making different choices going forward.
-[x] Reassure her by expressing your desire to help everyone, even after they make mistakes - if nothing else, people without problems don't cause problems for others.
-[x] Give her an opportunity to help you help her: Drop the memory thing and help you deal with Yuuri.
[x] Get information about Yuuri.
[x] Proceed.
-[x] If no cooperation: break the memory device
-[x] Otherwise: Ask the group to let you speak to Yuuri alone. She knows dangerous things and you don't want her having everyone's brainmail address.
[x] Simultaneously: Telepathy Sayaka and discuss her morning plans. Fly a clone home? Commit to revealing magic to parents?
[x] Propose bringing Hijiri along. You're not done asking questions.
-[x] Move discussion away from emotional overreactions to logical reasoning on an appropriate and rational punishment/response to Hijiri's actions.
[x] Affirm Hiriji's personhood and agency.
-[x] Literary quote: "No practical definition of freedom would be complete without the freedom to take the consequences. Indeed, it is the freedom upon which all the others are based."
-[x] All choices have consequences. Hijiri's past actions have damaged everyone's ability to trust her. She can fix that by making different choices going forward.
-[x] Reassure her by expressing your desire to help everyone, even after they make mistakes - if nothing else, people without problems cause fewer problems for others.
-[x] Give her an opportunity to help you help her: Dropping the memory thing, and helping you deal with Yuuri.
[x] Ask for information about Yuuri. What is her power, what are her goals, what is she like as a person? ... Why trust her?
-[x] Ask for a telepathy link. Ask to speak alone due to infohazard. Regardless of result, break for voting.
Adhoc vote count started by 4Dname on Nov 10, 2017 at 5:33 PM, finished with 128691 posts and 13 votes.
[x] Simultaneously: Telepathy Sayaka and discuss showing up for her parents and for school. Fly a clone home? Commit hard to upcoming reveal of magic to parents?
[x] Propose bringing Hijiri along. You're not done asking questions.
[x] Persuade Hijiri to connect you to Yuuri. Take the opportunity to affirm her personhood and agency.
-[x] Choices have consequences, both good and bad. Her past actions have damaged everyone's ability to trust her. She can fix that by making different choices going forward.
-[x] Reassure her by expressing your desire to help everyone, even after they make mistakes - if nothing else, people without problems don't cause problems for others.
-[x] Give her an opportunity to help you help her: Drop the memory thing and help you deal with Yuuri.
[x] Get information about Yuuri.
[x] Proceed.
-[x] If no cooperation: Break to vote.
-[x] Otherwise: Ask the group to let you speak to Yuuri alone. She knows dangerous things and you don't want her having everyone's brainmail address.
[x] Gently explain to Hijiri why she can't leave. Yes, she is a real person with all the rights thereof. And when real people steal stuff and attack people, they don't get to just leave until they've made things right.
[x] Telepathy: Ask everyone to give you some room so you can try to talk her down.
[x] Simultaneously: Telepathy Sayaka and ask how to handle her parents waking up soon. Fly back? Send clone? Text them claiming she had an early softball practice? What about school in a few hours? Call out sick?
[x] Therapy-ize Hijiri a bit.
-[x] Like any person, Hijiri's choices have consequences. What she did damaged people's ability to trust her. But it's still possible to win that trust back.
-[x] Help her feel safer by expressing your desire to help everyone, including people that've made bad choices and interfered with other people's peaceful lives.
-[x] Give her an easy opportunity, let her help you help her: Let go of the memory thing. It's not doing her any good now: everyone knows where she is and Niko's clearly immune to it. All it's doing is preventing you from helping her.
-[x] If successful, ask about Yuuri and what exactly happened between them.
[x] Simultaneously: Telepathy Sayaka and discuss showing up for her parents and for school. Fly a clone home? Commit hard to upcoming reveal of magic to parents? -[x] After that: Telepathy Kazumi about the lack of meguca in the city. If necessary, bring up outside knowledge suggesting there should be more. --[x] If she's evasive, namedrop the Freezer.
[x] Propose bringing Hijiri along. You're not done asking questions.
[x] Persuade Hijiri to connect you to Yuuri. Take the opportunity to affirm her personhood and agency.
-[x] Choices have consequences, both good and bad. Her past actions have damaged everyone's ability to trust her. She can fix that by making different choices going forward.
-[x] Reassure her by expressing your desire to help everyone, even after they make mistakes - if nothing else, people without problems don't cause problems for others.
-[x] Give her an opportunity to help you help her: Drop the memory thing and help you deal with Yuuri.
[x] Get information about Yuuri.
[x] Proceed.
-[x] If no cooperation: break the memory device
-[x] Otherwise: Ask the group to let you speak to Yuuri alone. She knows dangerous things and you don't want her having everyone's brainmail address.
[x] Simultaneously: Telepathy Sayaka and discuss her morning plans. Fly a clone home? Commit to revealing magic to parents?
[x] Propose bringing Hijiri along. You're not done asking questions.
-[x] Move discussion away from emotional overreactions to logical reasoning on an appropriate and rational punishment/response to Hijiri's actions.
[x] Affirm Hiriji's personhood and agency.
-[x] Literary quote: "No practical definition of freedom would be complete without the freedom to take the consequences. Indeed, it is the freedom upon which all the others are based."
-[x] All choices have consequences. Hijiri's past actions have damaged everyone's ability to trust her. She can fix that by making different choices going forward.
-[x] Reassure her by expressing your desire to help everyone, even after they make mistakes - if nothing else, people without problems cause fewer problems for others.
-[x] Give her an opportunity to help you help her: Dropping the memory thing, and helping you deal with Yuuri.
[x] Ask for information about Yuuri. What is her power, what are her goals, what is she like as a person? ... Why trust her?
-[x] Ask for a telepathy link. Ask to speak alone due to infohazard. Regardless of result, break for voting.
I'm thinking a polite, neutral "I will consider it." would be enough for now.
A possible concession would be to put some anti-radar countermeasure or something to our grief jet/flying nimbus/MOF, which would also spare some JDSF radar operators from a heart attack.