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*Takes Redshirt's Mom-bomb*
Eh, it pushes closer to the potential bomb than I truly like, but it's not all that close and frankly I'll admit it does to the better job of selling Homura's contribution, and that's what's important here.

[X] If we really are here as a result of Madoka's wish... then we only exist because of the massive effort Homura has put in.
-[X] Thank Homura for helping you be here. You like existing.
-[X] (Jokingly.) ...Would this make them ...our mothers? :V

Now this should probably go at the beginning or middle given that there's long questions to be asked soooo....
*takes stapler to @Kaizuki 's vote*

[X] Talk to Homura about the strange nature of information you have, spanning centuries and continents, and including timelines that, to your knowledge, couldn't have happened and even weirder things like alternate histories without magic.
-[X] Raise a benign example.
-[X] You'd thought that what knowledge you did have of... reality... was accurate, but... Kazusa. And, weirdly, Mami's apartment -- you have three different images of its form, and exactly none of them are right, or even make sense. And apparently the Sakura church is to be demolished, which was not present anywhere in your memories and seems... slightly contradictory? Maybe?
-[X] Of course, there's also the most obvious thing: you. Sabrina.
-[X] So... you know it's a lot to ask, but could she tell you about last loop? In... in detail.

Just done real quicklike.
 
Ask Homura what potential is.
Adhoc vote count started by Firnagzen on Jul 2, 2017 at 10:00 PM, finished with 120084 posts and 25 votes.
  • [X] Talk to Homura about the strange nature of information you have, spanning centuries and continents, and including timelines that, to your knowledge, couldn't have happened. Raise a benign example to illustrate.
    -[X] Mutually discuss what this means for the reliability of your knowledge, with an aim of reassurance.
    [X] If we really are here as a result of Madoka's wish... then we only exist because of the massive effort Homura has put in.
    -[X] Thank Homura for helping you be here. You like existing.
    -[X] (Jokingly.) ...Would this make them ...our mothers? :V
    [X] An insight: Once her friends, including Homura herself, are safe, if Madoka knows the impact her wishing would have on Homura, and all the effort and sacrifice it took Homura to get through the loops... Madoka will respect that effort, and swear off making a wish
    -[x]Ask Homura if she wants to hear information that we believe she might take badly.
    -[x] If yes, inform her that Madoka's potential has been increasing due to Homura's efforts to save her.
    --[x] note that this information doesn't cause any real changes in the grand of things as long as Madoka doesn't make a wish, after all the Incubators efforts to make her a magical girl doesn't change because Madoka was able to be one before the loops started, and that Wally was going to come here no matter what Madoka's potential was anyway.
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    [X] Talk to Homura about the strange nature of information you have, spanning centuries and continents, and including timelines that, to your knowledge, couldn't have happened and even weirder things like alternate histories without magic.
    -[X]Raise a benign example.
    -[X] You'd thought that what knowledge you did have of... reality... was accurate, but... Kazusa. And, weirdly, Mami's apartment -- you have three different images of its form, and exactly none of them are right, or even make sense. And apparently the Sakura church is to be demolished, which was not present anywhere in your memories and seems... slightly contradictory? Maybe?
    -[X] Of course, there's also the most obvious thing: you. Sabrina.
    -[X] So... you know it's a lot to ask, but could she tell you about last loop? In... in detail.
    [X] If we really are here as a result of Madoka's wish... then we only exist because of the massive effort Homura has put in.
    -[X] Thank Homura for helping you be here. You like existing.
    -[X] (Jokingly.) ...Would this make them ...our mothers? :V
    [X] Talk to Homura about the strange nature of information you have, spanning centuries and continents, and including timelines that, to your knowledge, couldn't have happened and even weirder things like alternate histories without magic.
    -[X]Raise a benign example.
    -[X] You'd thought that what knowledge you did have of... reality... was accurate, but... Kazusa. And, weirdly, Mami's apartment -- you have three different images of its form, and exactly none of them are right, or even make sense. And apparently the Sakura church is to be demolished, which was not present anywhere in your memories and seems... slightly contradictory? Maybe?
    -[X] Of course, there's also the most obvious thing: you. Sabrina.
    -[X] So... you know it's a lot to ask, but could she tell you about last loop? In... in detail.
    [x] Drop the Potential Bomb
    [X]GodwinBrina
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Vebyast said:
Ask Homura what potential is.
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Sabrina: Die, monster! You don't belong in this world!
Kyubey: It was not by my hand I was once again given fluff. I was brought here by humans who wished to make contracts.
Sabrina: Contracts?! You steal girls' souls, and make them your pawns!
Kyubey: Perhaps the same could be said of all lawyers.
Sabrina: Your words are as empty as your soul! Humanity ill needs a savior such as you!
Kyubey: What is a magical girl? A miserable little pile of potential. But enough talk... have at you!
 
Always Happening said:
Sabrina: Die, monster! You don't belong in this world!
Kyubey: It was not by my hand I was once again given fluff. I was brought here by humans who wished to make contracts.
Sabrina: Contracts?! You steal girls' souls, and make them your pawns!
Kyubey: Perhaps the same could be said of all lawyers.
Sabrina: Your words are as empty as your soul! Humanity ill needs a savior such as you!
Kyubey: What is a magical girl? A miserable little pile of potential. But enough talk... have at you!
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Ah. I Wanna Be The Guy (Meguca edition).
 
[X] If we really are here as a result of Madoka's wish... then we only exist because of the massive effort Homura has put in.
-[X] Thank Homura for helping you be here. You like existing.
-[X] She's kinda like a big sister to us. And to be honest, it's kind of nice to have a family when you don't have one provided for you.

[X] Talk to Homura about the strange nature of information you have, spanning centuries and continents, and including timelines that, to your knowledge, couldn't have happened and even weirder things like alternate histories without magic.
-[X] Raise a benign example.
-[X] You'd thought that what knowledge you did have of... reality... was accurate, but... Kazusa. And, weirdly, Mami's apartment -- you have three different images of its form, and exactly none of them are right, or even make sense. And apparently the Sakura church is to be demolished, which was not present anywhere in your memories and seems... slightly contradictory? Maybe?
-[X] Of course, there's also the most obvious thing: you. Sabrina.
-[X] So... you know it's a lot to ask, but could she tell you about last loop? In... in detail.

MY COLOR IS NOW GREEN

Also, I just took out the kinda vaguely creepy reference to her being our mother. I don't know if Homura thinks of herself as old as she mentally is, but if she doesn't then calling her our mom would be more disturbing than sappy. Onee-chan does the same work without the risk.

Otherwise the vote is fine. All I'd like to add is that we might be able to do some grief fuckery that would allow Homu-Nee to show us her memories visually instead of her just telling us, but that doesn't need to be in the vote proper.
 
Redshirt Army said:
I solemnly vow that, if the "mom" joke makes it into the next update, as seems likely, I will create a "Homuquest Reaction" omake dealing with what Homura thinks of it.

That is all.
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Best part is given that she gave us the information we're basing this on in the first place, there will of course have been players in that thread saying it all along, and they will be a level of smug not before measured by modern science.
 
Vebyast said:
This bugs me. Why does Oriko think that Homura is making things worse? We're sitting here looking at the loops as having a good outcome overall, that eventually they culminate in the Fix-Everything Wish which is unequivocally Worth It. So why is Oriko stating, with such final certainty, that Homura is making things worse with the loops?
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Loop 0: Mitakihara survives, mostly, Walpurgis dies, and Homura survives.

Loop 1: Same, but Madoka becomes becomes a WMD-tier Witch.

Loop 2: Same as Loop 0, but Madoka WOULD have become an even worse Witch.

Loop 3: Madoka becomes a planet killer Witch.

Loop X: Madoka could become a planet buster Witch, at minimum...one mostly limited by her nature, not her power. Sabrina can become a universal-tier threat. Feathers exists.

If you look at it as "how bad can things get," rather than "how possible is a good ending," then...yeah, Homura is making thing's worse.
 
Higure said:
Loop 0: Mitakihara survives, mostly, Walpurgis dies, and Homura survives.

Loop 1: Same, but Madoka becomes becomes a WMD-tier Witch.

Loop 2: Same as Loop 0, but Madoka WOULD have become an even worse Witch.

Loop 3: Madoka becomes a planet killer Witch.
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Actually, watching Episode 10 again a little while back when we were discussing witchouts, when Madoka witches out at the end of what you call Loop 1, we see a glimpse of her forming the same distinct mountain-like shape of Kriemheld Gretchen that we see at the end of Loop 3. Presumably the same would have happened in Loop 2 if Homura has not shot her gem. Possibly the amount of time for her to devour the world would have been longer in those timelines than the 10 days Kyubey predicted in Loop 3.

So even one resetting of time was probably enough to take Madoka's potential up to planet-killer levels. The extra potential from the other 99 times just sped things up a little bit.
 
Uh, there's not really any indication that Loop 1 Gretchen would've eaten the whole planet. Sure maybe it would've AIMED to, that's how witches work, but there's no indication that, say, a Mami Tomoe-type couldn't walk in and roflstomp it.
 
The Narrator said:
Actually, watching Episode 10 again a little while back when we were discussing witchouts, when Madoka witches out at the end of what you call Loop 1, we see a glimpse of her forming the same distinct mountain-like shape of Kriemheld Gretchen that we see at the end of Loop 3. Presumably the same would have happened in Loop 2 if Homura has not shot her gem. Possibly the amount of time for her to devour the world would have been longer in those timelines than the 10 days Kyubey predicted in Loop 3.

So even one resetting of time was probably enough to take Madoka's potential up to planet-killer levels. The extra potential from the other 99 times just sped things up a little bit.
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As Aura said: She'd become Kriemheld, but I'd expect her to be defeatable. A very powerful Witch, but not the inevitable end of the world.
 
Since we only get a brief glimpse of it, there's no real definitive way to know one way or the other if it could be killed. But it certainly seemed massive. And at that point, time itself had already been made to stop and go backwards once for her sake, so she would presumably already be the most important person in the world. I think her potential had probably already reached "the planet is fucked" levels. And even if it hadn't, all that means is that 96% of the loops were overkill instead of 98%. The damage is still long since done, and stopping or continuing at this point won't make any real difference.
 
The Narrator said:
Since we only get a brief glimpse of it, there's no real definitive way to know one way or the other if it could be killed. But it certainly seemed massive. And at that point, time itself had already been made to stop and go backwards once for her sake, so she would presumably already be the most important person in the world. I think her potential had probably already reached "the planet is fucked" levels. And even if it hadn't, all that means is that 96% of the loops were overkill instead of 98%. The damage is still long since done, and stopping or continuing at this point won't make any real difference.
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Except that now the possibility of a multiversal threat arising has become very real.

If Homura had stopped earlier, only one Earth would have been at risk. Now...
 
The Narrator said:
Since we only get a brief glimpse of it, there's no real definitive way to know one way or the other if it could be killed. But it certainly seemed massive. And at that point, time itself had already been made to stop and go backwards once for her sake, so she would presumably already be the most important person in the world. I think her potential had probably already reached "the planet is fucked" levels. And even if it hadn't, all that means is that 96% of the loops were overkill instead of 98%. The damage is still long since done, and stopping or continuing at this point won't make any real difference.
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That's... not how any of that stuff works. Homura isn't literally rewinding time, she's travelling to other universes where Madoka isn't dead yet. Madoka's potential escalation is due to the previous Madoka's karma being tied to the current one, creating a perpendicular string of Madoka-fatelines throughout time.

SpeckofStardust said:
Said Mami type died to Wally when she had help in the starting timeline.
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Speck, I didn't LITERALLY mean Mami Tomoe, I meant literally any other random Magical Girl who was competent and not immediately self-destructive.
 
AuraTwilight said:
That's... not how any of that stuff works. Homura isn't literally rewinding time, she's travelling to other universes where Madoka isn't dead yet. Madoka's potential escalation is due to the previous Madoka's karma being tied to the current one, creating a perpendicular string of Madoka-fatelines throughout time.
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So four times a normal Madoka's potential is enough to destroy the world? That seems dubious.
 
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