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To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest) Starfleet Ship Design Bureau, Refit ("To Boldly Go...")
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[X][BETA] Oreasa Starfleet Yards
[X][AMBY] Heavy Ambassador
[X][CREW1] Crew with Explorer Corps
[X][CREW2] Crew with Standard Crew
[X][NAME1] Epona
[X][NAME2] Pleezirra

[X][BUILD] 2316 2 Ambassadors, Resume 1 Miranda-A, 1 Excelsior refit, 2 Miranda-A refits, 2 Constellation Refits
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[X][BETA] Oreasa Starfleet Yards
[X][AMBY] Heavy Ambassador
[X][CREW1] Crew with Explorer Corps
[X][CREW2] Crew with Standard Crew
[X][NAME1] Epona
[X][NAME2] Pleezirra

[X][BUILD] 2316 2 Ambassadors, Resume 1 Miranda-A, 1 Excelsior refit, 2 Miranda-A refits, 2 Constellation Refits
 
[X][BETA] Oreasa Starfleet Yards
[X][AMBY] Heavy Ambassador
[X][CREW1] Crew with Explorer Corps
[X][CREW2] Crew with Standard Crew
[X][NAME1] Tarrak
[X][NAME2] Pleezirra
[X][BUILD] 2316 2 Ambassadors, Resume 1 Miranda-A, 1 Excelsior refit, 2 Miranda-A refits, 2 Constellation Refits
 
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Is no one else going to suggest an alternative build plan?

Key decisions:
- lone vs paired Ambassador prototypes - huge cost vs 7 mo earlier completion & early Enterprise-C (personally think this is a no-brainer)
- Sarek refit & 2318 FYM vs 2317 FYM - potentially last opportunity for some EC panel captains (like Mrr'shan, if she's so inclined) this year vs potentially 5 year wait for Sarek refit (which is also arguably the ship least necessary in need of a refit)
- lone Miranda-A vs paired Miranda-A - paired Miranda would be faster but is only possible if a refit is dropped in favor of it (note that canceling the Miranda wouldn't get us back most of its SR, so that's not a viable option)
- whether to strictly follow our deployment plan - could have those Constellation refits built a quarter earlier if not following it

(I'm personally okay with BV's build plan - I did argue for the paired Amby builds in UP after all - but the lack of an alternative is worrying.)

@OneirosTheWriter, shouldn't the Constellation-A be listed under light cruisers?

I'm curious to see whether it is actually named the Constellation-A or Constellation-P :p
 
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lbmaian said:
BTW if I were a speciest Councillor, this would be worrying me. Sulu may be incredibly popular, but I'd hardly be surprised if an Andorian Councillor or two would grumble.
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Add to it that ka'Sharren was arguably snubbed when it came to promotions (or at least it could be interpreted that way).
 
[X][BETA] Oreasa Starfleet Yards
[X][AMBY] Heavy Ambassador
[X][CREW1] Crew with Explorer Corps
[X][CREW2] Crew with Standard Crew
[X][NAME1] Epona
[X][NAME2] Pleezirra
 
OneirosTheWriter said:
AMBASSADOR VOTE
[ ][AMBY] Light Ambassador
Future-Future [511m, 2.5m t]
C7 S8 H5 L9 P8 D7
Cost [250br 200sr, 4.5 years], Crew [O-6, E-5, T-5]

[ ][AMBY] Medium Ambassador
Future-Future [511m, 2.6m t]
C8 S8 H6 L9 P8 D8
Cost [260br 200sr, 5 years], Crew [O-6, E-6, T-5]

[ ][AMBY] Heavy Ambassador
Future-Future [524m, 3.0m t]
C8 S9 H7 L9 P9 D8
Cost [300br 240sr, 4.75 years], Crew [O-7, E-7, T-6]

[ ][BETA] Please name the Betazed Starfleet Yard
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These need evasion and reliability listed.



On the designs:

Light and Medium have an effective 6-7% evasion (can't remember the exact number off hand). This gives the Medium Ambassador the equivalent durability of the Heavy design despite having 1 less hull.

Heavy has 0% evasion.

Light has medium amount of refit space.
Medium has very little.
Heavy has a great deal.

The effect of refit space doesn't determine if the ship can be refit. We'd still be able to refit the Medium design. What it determines is how much leeway we have to add entirely new parts or to swap to heavier parts. The Medium design would have potential to cut part quantities as an upgrade to higher quality parts, which would create space to upgrade stats. The Light or Heavy designs could potentially ignore this, or do it in addition to just adding things.

Overall: Medium is in my opinion the most efficient design by a long way, but Heavy has the best potential.
 
[X][BETA] Oreasa Starfleet Yards

[X][CREW1] Crew with Explorer Corps
[X][CREW2] Crew with Standard Crew

[X][NAME1] Epona
[X][NAME2] Pleezirra

[X][BUILD] 2316 2 Ambassadors, Resume 1 Miranda-A, 1 Excelsior refit, 2 Miranda-A refits, 2 Constellation Refits

[X][AMBY] Heavy Ambassador
 
SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
These need evasion and reliability listed.



On the designs:

Light and Medium have an effective 6-7% evasion (can't remember the exact number off hand). This gives the Medium Ambassador the equivalent durability of the Heavy design despite having 1 less hull.

Heavy has 0% evasion.

Light has medium amount of refit space.
Medium has very little.
Heavy has a great deal.

The effect of refit space doesn't determine if the ship can be refit. We'd still be able to refit the Medium design. What it determines is how much leeway we have to add entirely new parts or to swap to heavier parts. The Medium design would have potential to cut part quantities as an upgrade to higher quality parts, which would create space to upgrade stats. The Light or Heavy designs could potentially ignore this, or do it in addition to just adding things.

Overall: Medium is in my opinion the most efficient design by a long way, but Heavy has the best potential.
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For me, the largest argument against the medium amby class is the fact it takes a whopping 5 years to build. The heavy amby is bad enough with 4.75 years.
 
[X][BETA] Oreasa Starfleet Yards
[X][NAME1] Tarrak
[X][NAME2] Pleezirra
[X][CREW1] Crew with Explorer Corps
[X][CREW2] Crew with Standard Crew
[X][BUILD] 2316 2 Ambassadors, Resume 1 Miranda-A, 1 Excelsior refit, 2 Miranda-A refits, 2 Constellation Refits
[X][AMBY] Heavy Ambassador
 
Nervos Belli said:
She's been in her rank for four years, and she's probably happier in a fleet role than a desk job. If we'd promoted her we wouldn't be able to send her to the GBZ.
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Also some of us are worried about throwing her into the deep end and not having provided the training, seasoning and support to keep her from stealing the newest Explorer grade ship out of dock and sailing out to fix the problem, whatever it might be, by herself.
Delegation is a skill that must be learned as much as anything else.
 
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So I've been redoing my shipbuilding spreadsheet projections now that we no longer have Chen's bonus. I think the Crew problem is solved and we do not need further academy expansions at the moment.

Berthwise, think we're okay for the moment but I wouldn't mind having another set of berths 3 years out in 2319 or 2320.
 
[X][BETA] Oreasa Starfleet Yards

[X][CREW1] Crew with Explorer Corps
[X][CREW2] Crew with Standard Crew

[X][NAME1] Tarrak
[X][NAME2] Pleezirra

[X][BUILD] 2316 2 Ambassadors, Resume 1 Miranda-A, 1 Excelsior refit, 2 Miranda-A refits, 2 Constellation Refits

[X][AMBY] Heavy Ambassador

e: Would be willing to swap to Epona if I need to vote strategically.
 
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@OneirosTheWriter
Colony data was obsolete, so I made an updated version. I'll keep updating this and the experienced/uprated ship index I made earlier, just link to them in the relevant part of the front page, please.

Note that there seems to have been a phantom research colony somewhere - we were listed having income from one more research colony than we should have

Nope, Keluur was in the totals but not the site listing.

Current as of start of 2316.

Mining Colony, Josephine III [20 (25) BR/yr, (2 rp / yr), (1 pp/yr) ] 2304.Q2
Mining Colony, Pygmalion 337 IV-3 [20 (25) br / year, (2 rp / yr), (1 pp/yr) ] 2307.Q2
Mining Colony, Beta Corridan [10 (15) br / year, 10 (20) sr / year, (2 rp / yr), (1 pp/yr)] 2308.Q2
Mining Colony, Galus V system [15 (20) br / year, (2 rp / yr), (1 pp/yr)] 2309.Q2
Mining Colony, Gamma Canidae V, [15 (20) br / year, (2 rp / yr), (1 pp/yr)] 2311.Q2
Mining Colony, Lapycorias VII, [20 (25) br/year, (2 rp / yr), (1 pp/yr)] 2311.Q2
Mining Colony, Lapycorias XIII, [20 (35) br/year, (2 rp / yr), (1 pp/yr)], 2312.Q2
Mining Colony, Collie, [10 (15) br/yr, 15 (25) sr/yr, (2 rp / yr), (1 pp/yr)], 2314.Q1
Mining Colony, Ulen Gao VII, [20 (25) br/year, (2 rp / yr), (1 pp/yr)] 2315.Q2

Mining Colony, Hophos III-2 [20 (30) SR/year, (2 rp / yr), (1 pp/yr)] 2303.Q2
Mining Colony, Biroth System [15 (25) SR/yr, 5 (7) RP/yr, (1 pp/yr)] 2304.Q4
Mining Colony, 21 Themis VII system [15 (25) sr / year, (2 rp / yr), (1 pp/yr)], 2309.Q2
Mining Colony, Tagh Pakot, [10 (20) sr/year, (2 rp / yr), (1 pp/yr), (1 pp/yr)], 2312.Q2
Mining Colony, Corvo, [10 (20) sr/year, (2 rp / yr), (1 pp/yr)], 2313.Q2
Mining Colony, Peco Sigma, [10 (20) sr/year, (2 rp / yr), (1 pp/yr)], 2315.Q2
Mining Colony Castor IV-2, [20 (30) sr/year, (2 rp / yr), (1 pp/yr)], 2315.Q2

Research Colony, Aelin System, [ 5 (7) rp / year, (1 pp/yr)], 2306.Q2
Research Colony, Athos V with Romulans [ 5 (7) rp / year, (1 pp/yr)] 2307.Q2
Research Colony, Meridia VI system [5 (7) rp/ year, (1 pp/yr)], 2309.Q2
Research Colony, 17 Jamboree IX system (Yel'urulasu), [5 (7) rp/ year, (1 pp/yr)], 2309.Q4
Research Colony, Ke'Luur, [5 (7) rp/year, (1 pp/yr)), 2312.Q4


Total income: 150 (195) br. 125 (215) sr. 30 (72) rp. 0 (21) pp

Under construction
Research Colony, Cronulla VI, [5 (7) rp/yr, (1 pp/yr)] ETA 2316.Q2
Mining Colony, 41 Miele IV, [25 (30) br/yr, (2 rp/yr), (1pp/yr)], 2316.Q4

Bonuses in effect:
+5 br from each BR mining colony.
+10 sr from each SR mining colonies.
+2 RP from each research colonies.
+2 RP from each non-research colonies.
+1 PP from each all colonies.

Potential Colonies:

Mining Colony, Kappa Tau, 15 (20) br/yr, (2 rp / yr), (1 pp/yr)
Mining Colony, Proxima Eridani, 15 (20) br/yr, (2 rp / yr), (1 pp/yr)
Mining Colony, Piara V, 25 (30) br/yr, (2 rp / yr), (1 pp/yr)
Mining Colony, Mica III, 25 (30) br/yr (2 rp / yr), (1 pp/yr)
Mining Colony, Kohl II, 25 (30) br/yr, 25 (35) /sr per year, (2 rp / yr), (1 pp/yr)
 
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[X][BETA] Oreasa Starfleet Yards
[X][NAME1] Tarrak
[X][NAME2] Pleezirra
[X][CREW1] Crew with Explorer Corps
[X][CREW2] Crew with Standard Crew
[X][BUILD] 2316 2 Ambassadors, Resume 1 Miranda-A, 1 Excelsior refit, 2 Miranda-A refits, 2 Constellation Refits
[X][AMBY] Heavy Ambassador
 
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