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Katsuragi said:
Earn her demotion, off the books? :p
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"Nash, your attempt to get demoted by launching a coup -- which, because it's like you're wearing controversy teflon, is the only thing that would reliably stick -- has revealed President N'Gir and most of her advisors to actually be Cardassians with cat hair glued onto their face, something you noticed as soon as you walked into the same room as them. My bad on that one. Anyways, since you've saved the Federation again, we're going to skip the RA promotion and just give you Vice-Admiral Operations."

"NOT IF I SHOOT YOU FIRST!"

*Zapping nosies*

"Oh my god, Nash! Sousa -- this note, it fell out of her pocket -- she was a Romulan plant the whole time! And now we have the Admiral position open..."

"FUCKS SAKE"
 
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[X][MRR] Promote to Commodore
[X][NASH] Promote to Rear Admiral
[X][THUIR] Promote to Rear Admiral
[X][ROCK] Transfer to Ship Design Bureau
[X][SAAVIK] Transfer to Starfleet Academy

It is still time to promote Nash. She is deserving, and. Ore importantly capable of the posts we will be giving her.
 
All right, @Nix 's passionate arguments on the subject have convinced me to promote Thuir. I still think ka'Sharren could use some time at Starfleet Command to burnish her Politics aptitude.

[X][MRR] Leave as Captain and appoint to shore billet
[X][NASH] Assign to Staff at Starfleet Command
[X][THUIR] Promote to Rear Admiral
[X][ROCK] Transfer to Starfleet Engineering Command
[X][SAAVIK] Assign to Task Force - Ferasa Sector
 
[][MRR] Leave as Captain and appoint to shore billet
[][NASH] Assign to Sector Task Force <Gabriel Border Zone>
[][THUIR] Transfer to Starfleet Academy
[][ROCK] Transfer to Starfleet Engineering Command
[][SAAVIK] Leave in Starfleet Tactical

EDIT: Updated below.
 
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[X][MRR] Leave as Captain and appoint to shore billet
[X][NASH] Assign to Sector Task Force <Gabriel Border Zone>
[X][THUIR] Transfer to Staff at Starfleet Command
[X][ROCK] Transfer to Starfleet Engineering Command
[X][SAAVIK] Leave in Starfleet Tactical


Lets at least give our best girl something fun to do!
 
Briefvoice said:
All right, @Nix 's passionate arguments on the subject have convinced me to promote Thuir. I still think ka'Sharren could use some time at Starfleet Command to burnish her Politics aptitude.
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If not SFA, I'd prefer Thiur at Command, actually, before promoting him. Then we can see if we can get him into Admiral over Sydraxian screeching. :D

However, I am pretty torn on Nash. On one hand, Starfleet Command is the ultimate desk job. On the other, maybe that's what she needs?

That being said, there's a pretty strong desire to put her in the GBZ to kick ass.

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lbmaian said:
https://forums.sufficientvelocity.c...-starfleet-quest.32005/page-1966#post-8611209 - joke-make
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Um excuse me, I pretty clearly put in the Author's Notes this is to be considered top-level canon and not a joke, sir. :p
 
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[X][MRR] Leave as Captain and appoint to shore billet
[X][NASH] Assign to Sector Task Force <Gabriel Expanse>
[X][THUIR] Transfer to Starfleet Academy
[X][ROCK] Transfer to Ship Design Bureau
[X][SAAVIK] Assign to Task Force - Ferasa Sector
 
[X][MRR] Leave as Captain and appoint to shore billet
[X][NASH] Assign to Sector Task Force <Gabriel Border Zone>
[X][THUIR] Promote to Rear Admiral
[X][ROCK] Transfer to Starfleet Engineering Command
[X][SAAVIK] Leave in Starfleet Tactical
 
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[X][MRR] Leave as Captain and appoint to shore billet
[X][NASH] Assign to Sector Task Force <Gabriel Expanse>
[x][THUIR] Promote to Rear Admiral
[X][ROCK] Transfer to Ship Design Bureau
[X][SAAVIK] Assign to Task Force - Ferasa Sector
 
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Iron Wolf said:
If not SFA, I'd prefer Thiur at Command, actually, before promoting him. Then we can see if we can get him into Admiral over Sydraxian screeching. :D
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You talk as though Thuir still had much of a career ahead of him if we don't promote him. He's already 56, about the same age the likes of Chen and Eriksson made Vice Admiral (and at least 6 years older than Sousa when she made Vice Admiral). Our (non-Vulcan) Admirals typically retire in their early 60es to early 70es (Erikkson 70, Choss 63, Vzorc 67, sh'Masharr 67, ch'Vohlet 74, Sousa 65), Rear Admirals typically earlier than Vice Admirals, so he probably only has about a decade or so ahead of him, particularly if he doesn't make Vice Admiral. If we promote him now he'd be eligible for one of the Theater Command VADM positions or the like in his early 60es. He'd probably never make commander of Starfleet anyway, but he'd have a reasonable shot at a high profile career and might stick around until his 70es. If we put him in another Commodore position for a couple of years to gather experience instead there's barely any time left in his career to actually make use of it, probably just one longer term Rear Admiral posting before he retires. There is a remote chance he might pull a Sulu, but most people don't.
 
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[X][MRR] Leave as Captain and appoint to shore billet
[X][NASH] Assign to Sector Task Force <Gabriel Border Zone>
[X][THUIR] Promote to Rear Admiral
[X][ROCK] Transfer to Starfleet Engineering Command
[X][SAAVIK] Leave in Starfleet Tactical
 
Nix said:
You talk as though Thuir still had much of a career ahead of him if we don't promote him. He's already 56, about the same age the likes of Chen and Eriksson made Vice Admiral (and at least 6 years older than Sousa when she made Vice Admiral).
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Ah, I see. Switching my vote, then. My earlier point stands for Nash and Sam though.

[X][MRR] Leave as Captain and appoint to shore billet
[X][NASH] Assign to Sector Task Force <Gabriel Border Zone>
[X][THUIR] Promote to Rear Admiral
[X][ROCK] Transfer to Starfleet Engineering Command
[X][SAAVIK] Leave in Starfleet Tactical
 
[X] Iron Wolf.
Since almost nobody else is even interested in Straak going to the Academy anyways...
 
[X][MRR] Leave as Captain and appoint to shore billet

As others have said, she helped save the Federation, and as a protege of Nash, Samhara may want to follow Nash's footsteps for a second FYM.


[X][NASH] Assign to Sector Task Force <Gabriel Border Zone>

I agree with what others have said about Nash's preferences, along with her 4.5 years of TIR.

In addition, we're sending so many ships over to the GBZ, that we're at the point that we need a third task force.

Consider: The GBZ currently (Q3) has 17 ships: 2 Excelsiors, 5 Connie-Bs, 1 blooded Constie, and 9 Miranda-As. Next year, this is scheduled (albeit subject to change) to grow to 23 ships: 1 Excelsior-A, 1 Excelsior, 5 Connie-Bs, 4 Rennies, 1 Centaur-A, 11 Miranda-As. That's a shitload of ships.

The largest task force ever commanded by a Commodore has been 10 ships: TF6 in the Arcadian crisis, commanded by Iorinn Grann. But this was a defensive fleet, made for catching any mentat/Licori intrusions.

The largest non-defense task force ever commanded by a Commodore has been 9 ships: TF2 in the Syndicate campaign (the Amarki fleet) and TF2 in the Arcadian crisis, both commanded by Nash ka'Sharren. The other Arcadian crisis task forces were either 7 or 8 ships. The GBZ task forces maxed out at 6 ships IIRC.

So the GBZ will need three task forces by next year, and that's an opening for Nash.


[ ][THUIR] No preference

I don't know whether Thuir prefers promotion or other Commodore-level positions for experience, or what's best for him and Starfleet here, so I'll abstain on this vote.

Regardless of his position, no doubt he'll still be continuing presentations of "Not Touching Things 101" :)


[X][ROCK] Transfer to Ship Design Bureau

Theoretically, Starfleet Engineering Command offers the most hands-on approach to space rocks™.

Problem: We're sorely lacking in engineering ships. We only have 6 right now, and I don't recall any more being built at the moment. (I think we've been concentrating on prospectors, freighters, cargo ships, and the hospital ship prototype instead.)

So for now, let's let Straak work his magic in the SDB in the mineralogy research group.


[X][SAAVIK] Assign to Task Force - Ferasa Sector

Don't have a strong opinion here, but if she's proved to be as much as a trouble magnet as she has, here is as a good place as any.

Bonus: this is N'Gir's heartland :p
 
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Why do people want Straak to participate in building outposts and shipyards rather than researching (perhaps among other things) minerals and geological sensors?
 
[X][MRR] Leave as Captain and appoint to shore billet
[X][NASH] Assign to Sector Task Force <Gabriel Border Zone>
[X][THUIR] Promote to Rear Admiral
[X][ROCK] Transfer to Starfleet Engineering Command
[X][SAAVIK] Leave in Starfleet Tactical
 
Iron Wolf said:
We will let him set up mines in Engineering command, and then we will mine him for knowledge.
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I think Starfleet Colony Command is responsible for mines. Engineering ships might be involved as well, but if so they probably report to Colony Command officers for the duration of the assignment. If you want him to work on mines a write-in for Colony Command would probably be the better choice.
 
[X][MRR] Leave as Captain and appoint to shore billet
[X][NASH] Assign to Sector Task Force <Gabriel Border Zone>
[X][THUIR] Promote to Rear Admiral
[X][ROCK] Transfer to Ship Design Bureau
 
More seriously I don't think Engineering command has gotten a lot of attention, despite its importance, and it would be a good fit for Straak. I never thought of him as being really 'theoretical' or on ship design stuff, he seems more interested in hands-on application.
 
[X][THUIR] Assign to Staff at Starfleet Command

[X][NASH] Assign to Sector Task Force <Gabriel Border Zone>

[X][SAAVIK] Leave in Starfleet Tactical

[X][ROCK] Transfer to Starfleet Engineering Command

[X][MRR] Leave as Captain and appoint to shore billet
 
Iron Wolf said:
More seriously I don't think Engineering command has gotten a lot of attention, despite its importance, and it would be a good fit for Straak. I never thought of him as being really 'theoretical' or on ship design stuff, he seems more interested in hands-on application.
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But the only way to get a hands-on approach in Engineering command at his practically-Commodore rank, Straak would have to command an engineering ship. And we only have 6 engineering ships that already have captains, and no new engineering ships in at least 2 years IIRC. So Straak would be stuck behind a desk anyway.

And as Nix says, engineering only has a minor contribution to mining or space rocks. Engineering ships are primarily responsible for building and repairing space stuff, or towing damaged ships to berths.
 
lbmaian said:
But the only way to get a hands-on approach in Engineering command at his practically-Commodore rank, Straak would have to command an engineering ship. And we only have 6 engineering ships that already have captains, and no new engineering ships in at least 2 years IIRC. So Straak would be stuck behind a desk anyway.
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"Hands-on" here being less about him in direct command and more what the people he's overseeing are doing. Straak's existing characterization is using existing equipment and his extensive knowledge of (usually geological) theory to perform miracles. That doesn't seem like the sort of innovator personality SDB needs; it does sound like the kind of guy who can run a fleet of Engineering ships.


Looking at the org chart I think he'll end up in charge of either Deep Space Division or Field Construction, both of which would presumably involve the initial setup of the mines - Engineering ships are assigned to the former. Colony does have "Chief, Starfleet Prospecting Division, Commodore" so maybe that would work as best Rock place.

However since the GM is nudging us towards certain pathways I'm inclined to stick with the given options.

EDIT: Deep Space Division in particular might be good, it'll have him managing multiple ships.
 
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