So I actually read that completely differently.

Bolded bit for emphasis. I read this as saying that, without the incubators around, life as we know it wouldn't exist because the value of k_b would be different, and that their their method of staving off entropy is to change these constants to values that are more suitable for life. I don't know if they're doing it universe-wide or not, nor how far back they're doing it. I wouldn't be surprised if they still have to muck with things like the cosmic microwave background experiments and some of the other deep cosmological results, but tweaking the results coming back from a space telescope is waaaay easier than detecting and intercepting every single experiment on earth that depends on k_b. It also provides a concrete mechanism by which they're combating entropy.
But that only raises further questions (insert Futurama clip here), because the universe doesn't seem to have fundamentally changed between pre- and post-Madokami, even though the Incubators' energy yields were substantially reduced. Not to mention where the Incubators were getting their energy from before life was possible, or how they (or their creators if they're an AI) came into existence in the first place in such a scenario.

Not to mention the question of how exactly increasing the cosmological constant would be combatting entropy. The whole thing with entropy isn't that there's less total energy in the universe (conservation of energy is still a thing), but that the energy is not longer in useful form, just spread around as waste heat. So taking energy and just spreading it evenly over empty space would, if anything, be making entropy worse.

It just seems a lot more sensible to me for them to either be using grief as fuel for generators to keep their technology going (if they only care about saving their own asses) or using it as a power source to somehow produce more stellar hydrogen. That's really the thing that's going to doom the universe: when the hydrogen's used up there will be no more stars born.


EDIT: It occurs to me about an hour later that changing the cosmological constant might determine whether the universe keeps expanding forever or eventually collapses back in on itself. Still, that's a separate thing from entropy.
 
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EDIT: It occurs to me about an hour later that changing the cosmological constant might determine whether the universe keeps expanding forever or eventually collapses back in on itself. Still, that's a separate thing from entropy.
Indeed it is, yes.

But entropy and the nature of the PMMM universe in specific detail isn't particularly necessary. I constructed my own reasoning and thoughts behind it out of curiosity and as a thought exercise, but it isn't necessary to the plot, which is why I've never even alluded to it in thread.
 
Edit: Answering deleted post regarding a Magus's need for a brain.

Not Aura, but puppeteering a body without a working brain would be just that: Manually moving limbs with magic. At best, you might fire neurons to imitate the brain's control, but you'd probably get negligible feedback.

As far as the PMAS universe goes, it seems reasonable to assert that the human brain is *supposed* to interface with and be controlled by a Soul, then control the rest of the body on the Soul's behalf.

Trying to do without that interface would be...difficult.
 
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Not Aura, but puppeteering a body without a working brain would be just that: Manually moving limbs with magic. At best, you might fire neurons to imitate the brain's control, but you'd probably get negligible feedback.

As far as the PMAS universe goes, it seems reasonable to assert that the human brain is *supposed* to interface with and be controlled by a Soul, then control the rest of the body on the Soul's behalf.

Trying to do without that interface would be...difficult.

Ah, the immediately following post basically painted it as being one more problems oriko's magic was struggling to overcome to animate the body, so I deleted. Um.

"There is one thing I could do, here and now, to tear down everything," Oriko informs you, leaning forward slightly, sea green eyes boring into your blue ones. "I have not done it. There are other things I would rather not say, here."

What was the thing? Potentialbomb? Probably... But... Hm.

Oriko takes a shuddering breath, closing her eyes before looking at you again. "She's making things worse," she says in a low voice. "Kyuubey already knows, and if he tells her that, she will despair. You have to stop that from happening."

... Wait, what? How does Kyubey already know at this point?
 
I know. She can see the future, and she sees something big coming," you say. You look at Homura, and gesture at Oriko and Kirika, now just holding each other, and you begin heading over to Mami's location, feeling secure in the knowledge that you still have Kirika's Soul Gem.

Mami's quiet for a moment. "Is it Walpurgisnacht? Even so, I don't see how Oriko was 'helping'."

Oh hey Kyubey knows about feathers. Huh.
 
... Wait, what? How does Kyubey already know at this point?
At a guess? Kyubey knows that Homura's power is timestop. I can't recall if it was ever specified if Oriko spilled the beans on that one, but however it happened, Kyubey knows that. In the series, Homura using timestop to kill Kyubey in Episode 8 was apparently enough for it to deduce that she was a time-traveler. It seemed like that was the missing piece it needed to figure out the potentialbomb in the series, so if it already knows that in PMAS then it probably has all the information it needs.

Oh hey Kyubey knows about feathers. Huh.
Huh. I'd forgotten that we talked about that in the open. We've been pretty careful about keeping any further details under wraps, at least.
 
At a guess? Kyubey knows that Homura's power is timestop. I can't recall if it was ever specified if Oriko spilled the beans on that one, but however it happened, Kyubey knows that. In the series, Homura using timestop to kill Kyubey in Episode 8 was apparently enough for it to deduce that she was a time-traveler. It seemed like that was the missing piece it needed to figure out the potentialbomb in the series, so if it already knows that in PMAS then it probably has all the information it needs.

Yeah, but this was happening, like, the day after we started. We've been operating on the assumption QB doesn't know Homura is a timetraveller, yet. Or I had, anyway. This... Would seem to contradict that.
 
Yeah, but this was happening, like, the day after we started. We've been operating on the assumption QB doesn't know Homura is a timetraveller, yet. Or I had, anyway. This... Would seem to contradict that.

No, QB can potentialbomb Homura at any time. This has been one of my foundational arguments for telling Homura about it ourselves, in a controlled environment, for the past two years.
 
Yeah, but this was happening, like, the day after we started. We've been operating on the assumption QB doesn't know Homura is a timetraveller, yet. Or I had, anyway. This... Would seem to contradict that.
Yeah, Coobs has known for basically ever. I'm not sure how, but he did also tell Kyouko Homu was a timeguca a bit after that (Kyouko told us this, then IIRC we went and asked Coobs himself and he confirmed that he had.) So uh, yeah.
 
Even if Kyubey didn't know, it'd still be safer to operate under the assumption that he could figure it out at any time given the slightest hint.

Potentialboming Homura is by far the biggest upcoming item on our to-do list. We can't do it tonight, Homura's not ready, but the sooner she's ready and we can do it the better.

I think that, before we leave for the cleansing trip, we need to tell Homura that Kyubey has an infohazard loaded up and pointed at her. Especially given that he's involving himself in our affairs again, Homura needs to know that, if he tries anything, her only safe course of action is to stop time and come get us.
 
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Homura's probably one of the few people on the planet who would probably react positively to us warning her about an infohazard and not telling her the infohazard. She knows how dangerous shit like that can be.
 
The first discussion of it that I can recall was on October 15th.

Homura's probably one of the few people on the planet who would probably react positively to us warning her about an infohazard and not telling her the infohazard. She knows how dangerous shit like that can be.
I don't know if that makes a difference. It's one thing to keep a secret from others and tell yourself that it's for their own good. It's different when it's you that's the one being kept in the dark. Some people just can't stop themselves from obsessing about what they don't know.

I don't think Kyubey will use the potentialbomb (my phone's autocomplete recognizes that as a real word now) right now because it's not yet an opportune time. Witthout a desperate situation (like losing against Walpurgisnacht), it won't be enough to push her over the edge.
 
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A Red Letter Day pt. 6
Your expression goes flat. Moderation. Moderation, you urge yourself as you fight the instinct to throw the creature out of the cafe. You don't want to sour negotiations right now, especially if Nadia likes Kyuubey.

Nadia's expression smooths out, sharp green eyes darting from you, to Mami, to Homura, and back to Mami. She blows out a sharp breath. "I see."

"See what?" Kyuubey asks, pawing at the air like a cat trying to get its head scratched. It would be endearing if it wasn't, well, Kyuubey.

"You should probably leave," Nadia tells it, picking it up by the scruff of its neck.

"Wait, actually, here-" You point, Grief marbles that were orbiting your finger zipping towards Kyuubey. Apparently divining your intentions, Nadia turns Kyuubey so that its back is facing towards you, the opening already shading towards the abyssal darkness you associate with its opening.

You slam the Grief marbles home. "Now go, Kyuubey," you say. "I insist."

"Very well," Kyuubey says, tail lashing slowly. It affects a sigh as Nadia sets it on the floor and stalks away, tail waving slowly. "Perhaps another time."

Nadia sighs, sitting back in her chair. She makes a disgruntled little gesture with the Soul Gem still held in her other hand. "You found out."

"We did," you answer for everyone, shifting your grip on Mami's hand to interlace your fingers. And... that doesn't feel like enough, so you bring your other hand across to cover her hand.

Mami makes a little noise, golden eyes turning to meet yours. You smile softly at her, tracing words on her skin.

It's alright. It can't hurt you any more.

I'm here.

You don't know whether she notices, but... she relaxes, face softening into a smile. She blows out a slow breath and brushes back her hair drills before turning to face Bennouna again.

"We found out," Mami echoes, seeming to draw strength from your support and wrapping her composure around her once more. "I am... unhappy."

Nadia sets her fork down with a clink - she'd taken the opportunity to put her Soul Gem away and continue eating.

"All of you?" she asks, gesturing at the group.

"Yeah," Sayaka says, jaw tight. "We all know about our Soul Gems."

Madoka nods, twisting her fingers against each other.

"Mmm," Nadia says, making a peculiar, slashing gesture with her fingers and palm flat. "I understand. Shall we continue?"

You blow out a breath, glancing at Homura. Ironically, she seems the most settled out of all of you, eyes flickering over to you a second. She nods infinitesimally before returning her attention to watching Madoka and scanning the area.

"Yes," Mami says, voice steady. "Let's continue. Sabrina, you were saying something, befo- You were saying something?"

You smile at Mami, giving her hand a gentle squeeze. "Yeah. As you can see, Nadia, I can cleanse Soul Gems," you say.

"And y' want to trade it for my information, yes?" Nadia says with a nod. She taps her ring with one finger. "Cleansing my Gem for the length of my stay, but I leave your Witches alone?"

"Uh," you say. You actually hadn't thought of it in those terms, exactly. You were kind of thinking of it in terms of helping people in general, as opposed to use it as payment. "Well- um."

"What Sabrina means is that she wants you to help spread the news of what she can do," Mami says, cutting in smoothly over Sayaka's muffled snort.

"Ooooh," Nadia says, looking thoughtful. "Yeah, that's... Mmmm." She gesticulates with both hands, waving them back and forth in a see-saw motion. "You are trying to recruit people? For...."

She almost seems to savour the next word, rolling it about her tongue. "For Walpurgisnacht?"

"Only in part," Mami says. "Right, Sabrina?"

You pick up the conversation from Mami's cue, speaking slowly and picking your words carefully. "I don't just want to... hire, or recruit people. I want to help people, in general. Though yes, I'd be more than happy to keep your Soul Gem clean while you're in range of Mitakihara."

Nadia leans back, drumming her fingers thoughtfully on the table. "So where do I come in?"

"The news of what I can do is going to get out," you say. "And if that's the case, I'd rather ride the wave than be swept along with it. What's happened in previous cases? Has anyone ever had anything similar before?"

"Mmmnm, 'riding the wave'..." She mutters the phrase in Darija before nodding. "Yes, I see. And magical girls like you..." She scowls. "Yes, and no. There have been girls who can transfer Grief, but you- you can purify your own Gem, yes?"

"Yep," you confirm, raising an eyebrow. "Go on?"

"It is... very very very rare," Nadia says, pinching the air with two fingers to demonstrate. "But there are girls who knew enough before they make their Wish, you understand? They make their Wish, but it is... impossible to have it free. The Grief has to go somewhere else. Either it goes into a Grief Seed, or it goes into a Soul Gem."

You cringe, the motion echoed by your friends. Even Homura seems a little perturbed. "That's horrible!" Madoka says.

"Isn't it?" Nadia says with a thin smile that has nothing like humour in it. "It is enough. The kind of rumour of a girl who can cleanse Soul Gems, it inspires people, ay? Once or twice, people use that to, mm, ensnare people. I see it before, always ends badly. Always."

"It better not," Sayaka growls, folding her arms. "How can people live with themselves like that?"

"They do not, mostly," Nadia says, gesturing open handed at Sayaka. "Some of them try to live peacefully. They hunt Witches and live, but it is the kind of rumour that goes around. The hope it inspires... ay, and then the disappointment and desperation that follows." She shrugs, closing her hand into a fist.

Sayaka grimaces unhappily. "But Sabrina isn't like that," she grumbles.

"Maybe, but it is hard to believe," Nadia says, tapping her chin. "I would not have come to Mitakihara if it were not Tomoe Mami telling me, fimti?"

That earns Mami a grin from you. Mami is kind of a big deal and all.

"Thank you for extending me your trust," Mami says with a nod.

Nadia laughs. "This trip is more than enough payment for that," she says, eyeing you.

"So there's one more thing I should say," you note, leaning forward a little. "I can empty out Grief Seeds to turn them into Clear Seeds... actually, Sayaka, do you still have yours?"

A bit of a rhetorical question, considering you can sense that she does in fact have the Clear Seed on her, but still. Sayaka blinks, and fumbles the Seed out of her pocket, balancing it on the tip of her finger. "Yeah, got it right here."

"May I?" Nadia asks, holding her hand out for the Seed. Sayaka hands it over.

"So these, um, I estimate that it might last a few hundred years on the low end?" you say.

Nadia nearly drops the Clear Seed. "What?"

"Yeah, a few hundred," you say. "Though, well, I've only figured these out recently, and I have no idea if these work on long term like that. They might degrade over time or something, I don't know."

The Moroccan girl passes the Clear Seed back to Sayaka, handling it very gingerly. "I... see."

"I'm kind of interested in giving them out," you say. "And also in working out ways of doing this without having to use Grief Seeds at all-"

Nadia holds her hand up to stop you. "You want to give these away?" she asks. "For free?"

"Well... yeah," you say. "I want to actually try and help magical girls."

"Because she's Sabrina," Sayaka says, rolling her eyes.

"You're mad," Nadia says, folding her arms. "This city will be drowned in magical girls."

"I know," you say. You can't help but notice the way Homura's attention snaps to Bennouna. "And that's... mmm, that's acceptable, more or less. And I know there's going to be problems. Upsetting power structures, people abusing magic, that kind of thing. Actually, what's the biggest magical girl organisation you know of?"

"Tokyo Council," Nadia answers easily. "In Japan."

"No, I mean world wide," you say.

"There is no... big association," Nadia says, frowning. "It is... hard to hold an organisation together. It is hard to move from your territory. I am a messenger, fimti? I carry the news, and that is useful to magical girls. But I do not hold land, because if I do, I cannot move far from it."

"Hm," you say, thinking hard. No global organisation, because there isn't the ability for magical girls to do that. But that's not entirely true, because... with teleporters, a magical girl can be anywhere at any time - in some ways, Akiko kind of had the right idea. On that aspect, anyway. The problem is that magical girls wouldn't pull that kind of organisation together without impetus to do so.

"The biggest..." Nadia mumbles, obviously lost in thought. "The Regius Group, I think. They are based in Germany. They have... two hundred or so magical girls who would say they're part of it?"

"Huh," you say. "That's interesting. Anyway, mm... for my part, I'd like to ask you to spread the information to magical girls who you judge are reasonable. I mean, that's what you do, right?"

Nadia throws her head back and laughs. "Yes, it is," she says. "You're mad. Mami, is this what you want?"

"Sabrina has my full support," Mami says with a smile. You squeeze her hand in silent thanks.

"Also, to be clear..." you say. "I'm asking you to spread the news, yes, but even if someone, uh, unreasonable asks, please do tell them as well. I'd rather information about me be accurate than not."

Nadia nods thoughtfully, reaching into the backpack at her side and rummaging around. She produces a large, metal bound book that fairly glows with magic, flipping it open and scribbling in it. Sayaka tries to look over her shoulder, and is promptly pushed away with a finger on her nose. "No looking."

Sayaka makes a face, but settles back in her chair.

Bennouna finishes writing a few minutes later, flipping the tome -and it absolutely deserves the weight of the word- closed. "So. Do you want the news?"

[] Write-in

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Yes, that's a yes/no answer, but do write-in on things you wanna know. :p
 
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200 girls in one organization is quite a lot. Anyway, I 'd probably like more infromation about power structures, mostly in Japan for the moment, and any recent major changes or events invoving magical girls.

Nadia seems like a reasonable sort, so I hope we can at least somewhat steer the flow of information and rumors about Sabrina with her help.

Her reaction to Kyuubey and the talk about soul gems also makes me think that she might know the truth about witches, hard to say for sure though.
 
And people were worried that Nadia wouldn't know about Soul Gems. Seriously, she's an information broker that travels the world, she knows her stuff. Hell, she's probably been witchbombed already. Actually, we need to make sure that she doesn't think that Mami has been witchbombed. The "nature of Soul Gems" could also cover their nature as the origin of Grief Seeds.
 
[X] In no particular order:
-[X] Hey, does she have a cell number, or an email address you can reach her at?
-[X] Ask her about magical girl current events. Anything interesting? Anything potentially dangerous looming?
-[X] Ask about the oldest magical girl she's heard of, and how old is she.
-[X] Ask about magical girls whose magic allows them to manipulate the soul. You have a source who indicated one would be coming here soon, and you want to know more about them, if possible.
-[X] Ask about magical girl groups that are particularly large, powerful, influential, or nasty. You know you're going to cause some waves with your offer of cleansing and clear seeds, so you want to know about groups that might cause issues.
-[X] Ask if she made all the enchanted items on her, or if she purchased them, and if the latter, how does she keep them charged.
-[X] Ask her if she knows of any magical girls who are fluent in Japanese, are decent people, and have any of the following powers:
--[X] Long-range teleportation or portals.
--[X] Any sort of danger sense that can be used to find threats to other people before the occur.
--[X] The ability to enhance or amplify the magic of others.
--[X] The ability to protect the minds of others from being tampered with.
--[X] High-end healing abilities.
-[X] Ask if she knows any magical girls who might be willing to travel to Mitakihara to fight a city-destroying witch. There'll be free cleansings and maybe a fabulous cake!
-[X] Ask if she knows anything about the magical girls in Asunaro. It's a silly place, but you think you need to know. For reasons.
-[X] Ask if she knows anything else that might be useful to know for a girl who wants to help people.
[X] Muse aloud about how you've kinda thought about hiring her to serve as a diplomat of sorts to other groups, but since you'd give her a clear seed and clean her soul gem anyway, the only thing you'd really have to pay her with is "borrowed" yakuza gold, and that's not any fun.
-[X] That reminds you, you should tell Sayaka about the mop.
 
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[X] In no particular order:
-[X] Ask about magical girls whose magic allows them to manipulate the soul. You have a source who indicated one would be coming here soon, and you want to know more about them, if possible.
-[X] Ask about magical girl groups that are particularly large, powerful, influential, or nasty. You know you're going to cause some waves with your offer of cleansing and clear seeds, so you want to know about groups that might cause issues.
-[X] Ask if she made all the enchanted items on her, or if she purchased them, and if the latter, how does she keep them charged.
-[X] Ask her if she knows of any magical girls who are fluent in Japanese, are decent people, and have any of the following powers:
--[X] Long-range teleportation or portals.
--[X] Any sort of danger sense that can be used to find threats to other people before the occur.
--[X] The ability to enhance or amplify the magic of others.
--[X] The ability to protect the minds of others from being tampered with.
--[X] High-end healing abilities.
-[X] Ask if she knows anything else that might be useful to know for a girl who wants to help people.
[X] Muse aloud about how you've kinda thought about hiring her to serve as a diplomat of sorts to other groups, but since you'd give her a clear seed and clean her soul gem anyway, the only thing you'd really have to pay her with is "borrowed" yakuza gold, and that's not any fun.

We should probably also talk more about Walpurgisnacht, and our interests in hiring for it in particular.

Also, some questions about Asunaro?
 
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