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Puella Magi Adfligo Systema

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[X] Stay calm and impartial.
[X] Tell Kyubey that we have some Grief that needs disposing off if he wants them.
[X] While you're busy dumping grief into his back, ask why he's here.
[X] Ask Nadia if she's okay with his presence.
-[X] If not, kindly ask Kyubey to go somewhere else.
[X] Continue Vote in Abeyance.

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Hannz said:
It's not impossible for a girl to not be bothered or even like the Witch/Lich Bombs, and still remain on even or friendly terms with Kyubey.

Just look at Joan of Arc, it did nothing but strengthen her resolve and she didn't even point a finger at Kyubey.

If I remember correctly, the PSP game even had a Witch that idolized Kyubey. Her Witch form wore a Kyubey mask and her Witch Card said something about admiring his purpose and thanking him for how he finally made her relevant and useful.

Nadia could be any of those two or she could have just stopped caring. No sense at getting angry at a volcano, after all.
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Lichbomb, I can see.Its really an cultural phenomenon.
Witchbomb, though... I think it needs someone like Joan to forgive that.
AND TO LIKE IT.?
No, i can not see that. Unless you think of yourself as damned anyways....
 
QB is amoral. If Bennouna is witchbombed, then she might still be cooperating with him just for pragmatic reasons - certainly, without using QB, establishing communications and asking permission to enter new zones and all that becomes much harder.

That said, what QB does is sketchy enough even without the lich or witch bombs - he recruits young girls into being child soldiers, in a system where fights against each other are all but inevitable.

Nadia is well traveled, and that means that she both has a broad perspective on QB's shit (certainly she thinks her own life isn't that sweet, given her characterization of being a traveling magical girl as "hard"), and has undoubtedly encountered groups that don't like him.

Our groups reaction to QB is not going to be unprecedented to her - what will be unusual is that Mami Tomoe is one of those reacting. Heck, she'll probably be able to guess that one of the 'bombs' got shared, and I very much hope she has the tact not to poke at it.

So yeah, professionalism from all side to just ignore the issue is the order of the day, I think.
 
Sailor Midgard said:
Witchbomb, though... I think it needs someone like Joan to forgive that.
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Not necessarily. The existence of wraiths after Madokami's rewrite of reality indicates that magic and grief (and monsters created from grief) are inherent to humanity. Kyuubey benefits from the phenomenon, to be sure, but he didn't (necessarily) create it. To me, Kyuubey is a monster not because he harvests energy from witches, but because he has a callous disregard for human suffering in the process and he has a habit or rather a policy of recruiting girls without warning them of the dangers.
 
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Sailor Midgard said:
Lichbomb, I can see.Its really an cultural phenomenon.
Witchbomb, though... I think it needs someone like Joan to forgive that.
AND TO LIKE IT.?
No, i can not see that. Unless you think of yourself as damned anyways....
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Anyone with low enough self-esteem and believes that they're a waste of space can fulfill the 'Likes Witch Bomb' category.

They're never going to amount to anything, they can't help anyone, and any kindness shown to them is a complete waste since they can never return the gesture, but then, here comes Mister Kyubey filling their heads with ideas like "You can be a Hero!" and "You can help people!".

After all, those who sacrifice themselves, damn themselves to eternal horror for the sake of others, aren't they what we call Heroes? Aren't their names carved into the pages of history for all to see?

Endure so that others may live! Suffer for their happiness, and their children's happiness!

And who is the grandest hero of all? Isn't it they whose names are never remembered yet they trudge on nevertheless?

Self-sacrifice is a beautiful thing.
 
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Hannz said:
Anyone with low enough self-esteem and believes that they're a waste of space can fulfill the 'Likes Witch Bomb' category.

They're never going to amount to anything, they can't help anyone, and any kindness shown to them is a complete waste since they can never return the gesture, but then, here comes Mister Kyubey filling their heads with ideas like "You can be a Hero!" and "You can help people!".

After all, those who sacrifice themselves, damn themselves to eternal horror for the sake of others, aren't they what we call Heroes? Aren't their names carved into the pages of history for all to see?

Endure so that others may live! Suffer for their happiness, and their children's happiness!

And who is the grandest hero of all? Isn't it they whose names are never remembered yet they trudge on nevertheless?
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A person with that sort of attitude is exactly the kind who would be crushed by the witchbomb: "You mean that all of my attempts to create happiness are doomed to failure because I'm going to become a monster and destroy everything good that I ever created?!"

Hyperbole, perhaps, and there are ways around the problem (suicide before witching out, for instance) but that would probably be the default reaction.
 
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boonerunner said:
A person with that sort of attitude is exactly the kind who would be crushed by the witchbomb: "You mean that all of my attempts to create happiness are doomed to failure because I'm going to become a monster and destroy everything good that I ever created?!"

Hyperbole, perhaps, but that would probably be the default reaction.
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By becoming a Witch, you're helping sustain the life of the universe, of countless numbers of lives!

Scale is pretty important, and to a person who really only cares about doing as much good as possible, that's the grandest act you could ever do. There are other MGs out there, and they'll do an excellent job of containing whatever you become later on! It's not like your Witch is going to amount to much after all.
 
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Note the degree of support that Kyubey provides: On a scale from "Sabrina's telling the truth this time" to "Sabrina tells the truth", he chooses "It's true", supporting our claim but not anything past that.

If we're going to tell Bennouna about our Grand Plan, we may want to throw a bone to Kyubey to avoid interruptions, something like "Yes, Kyubey, I'll find you a more reliable source of negentropy, I'm working on it".
 
justinkal said:
Or she doesn't want a stranger calling her by her first name.
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Note that the only people Nadia refers to by name in the update are Mami and us. We only have a given name, and she and Mami might be on a first-name basis.
If Nadia is going to use standard Japanese convention on referring to people one doesn't really know, then she'll call Homu "Homura-san".
 
Hannz said:
By becoming a Witch, you're helping sustain the life of the universe, of countless numbers of lives!

Scale is pretty important, and to a person who really only cares about doing as much good as possible, that's the grandest act you could ever do. There are other MGs out there after all, and they'll do an excellent job of containing whatever you become later on! It's not like your Witch is going to amount to much after all.
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Which I am not buying .
Either something is SERIOUSLY wrong with the universe ... or Kyubey and friends have literally no sense of timescales.
 
discussion aside, I think I'll go with

[X]Hannz

for now. There's no need to overcomplicate this, and we're trying to be professional anyway.

Might suggest adding in a clause to watch ourselves if Kyuubey ends up staying though. Not that we aren't generally pretty good about keeping secrets, but I'd just like to be extra careful around the unknown
 
Sailor Midgard said:
Which I am not buying .
Either something is SERIOUSLY wrong with the universe ... or Kyubey and friends have literally no sense of timescales.
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Firnagzen in Discord said:
Case in point: I hold that in addition to the notion that magic exists in some manner, and that's a thorny issue to tackle from any poitn of view (I'll come back to it later), fundamental constants are slightly different in the pmmm, in particular the cosmological constant and k_b. This has significant repercussions in the *inhabitality* of that universe since it messes with, y'know, *entropy* and such.

However, I think that human physicists in-universe nevertheless dtermined that the value of k_b is the same 1.38*10^-23 that *we* know, *because of the Incubators' actions*. That's *necessary*, or else human life *as we know it* would not exist.
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It's the former. Entropy really is more aggressive in PMAS, and the only reason PMAS!Earth scientists think the universe will last ages is because they attribute the QB's efforts to natural laws.
 
Firnagzen said:
"Akemi Homura," Homura responds. "My surname is Homura."
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Typo or trolling? :D

Or does she want to make it harder for Nadia to look up information about her? But in that case she could just not give her surname at all.


kinigget said:
Might suggest adding in a clause to watch ourselves if Kyuubey ends up staying though. Not that we aren't generally pretty good about keeping secrets, but I'd just like to be extra careful around the unknown
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We've been assuming for quite some time that Kyubey can listen in on anything we say, whether we see him there or not.


Hannz said:
[X] Stay calm and impartial.
[X] Tell Kyubey that we have some Grief that needs disposing off if he wants them.
[X] While you're busy dumping grief into his back, ask why he's here.
[X] Ask Nadia if she's okay with his presence.
-[X] If not, kindly ask Kyubey to go somewhere else.
[X] Continue Vote in Abeyance.

Test vote.
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Alternate idea:

[x] Remain calm. Help Mami remain calm. Hold her hand.
[x] Tell Kyubey that we have some Grief to deliver to him. It's waiting up on the roof. He should head up there so we can give it to him.
-[x] While he goes up there, stay down here and remotely guide a couple seeds' worth of Grief into his back while we continue to talk to Nadia.
[x] If Nadia seems to realize that Kyubey makes Mami uncomfortable, let Mami decide how much she's willing to share about the reason why.
[x] Continue vote in abeyance.
 
Sailor Midgard said:
Which I am not buying .
Either something is SERIOUSLY wrong with the universe ... or Kyubey and friends have literally no sense of timescales.
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There's also the possibility that Witches, or Grief Seeds, produce some amount of grief continuously and passively, making each a permanent source of energy. Kyubey's quota, then, would be a certain quantity of permanent generating capacity. This, combined with the part where humans are strange abominations that occasionally make universe-altering wishes, throws some of Kyubey's stranger actions into sharp relief. He's not attempting to maximize his reward. He's attempting to maximize the probability that he fills his quota before humanity destroys itself.
 
The Narrator said:
[x] Remain calm. Help Mami remain calm. Hold her hand.
[x] Tell Kyubey that we have some Grief to deliver to him. It's waiting up on the roof. He should head up there so we can give it to him.
-[x] While he goes up there, stay down here and remotely guide a couple seeds' worth of Grief into his back while we continue to talk to Nadia.
[x] If Nadia seems to realize that Kyubey makes Mami uncomfortable, let Mami decide how much she's willing to share about the reason why.
[x] Continue vote in abeyance.
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A bit lukewarm on the hand holding idea.

Public displays of affection aren't exactly professiobal, and we did tell Mami we can't give her cuddles because of professionalism.

Otherwise, I don't really have a problem with the vote.

EDIT: I have no idea why I typed minimum instead of professional.
 
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I'm reluctant to offload all our Grief, since we're supposed to use that to make a vehicle to travel with today, but we're probably going to get more Grief off Nadia anyway.

We could probably retain her services for life in exchange for a Clear Seed. :D


Hannz said:
A bit lukewarm on the hand holding idea.

Public displays of affection aren't exactly minimum, and we did tell Mami we can't give her cuddles because of professionalism.

Otherwise, I don't really have a problem with the vote.
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Mami's already holding our hand:
Firnagzen said:
Mami flinches, expression crumpling, and her hand grows tight on yours.
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So we're already holding hands.
 
May I suggest that we do not use the cutesy nickname for the soul-warping horror that has given our girlfriend trust issues?

Call it the Incubator. No honorific, no nickname, not an iota of friendliness, just a cool, professional acceptance that yes, it is necessary to temporarily tolerate its presence.
 
RagnorakTres said:
May I suggest that we do not use the cutesy nickname for the soul-warping horror that has given our girlfriend trust issues?

Call it the Incubator. No honorific, no nickname, not an iota of friendliness, just a cool, professional acceptance that yes, it is necessary to temporarily tolerate its presence.
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Does it know that we know that it's real title is Incubator? We don't want to give away how much we know to it.
 
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Mami's already holding our hand:
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Huh, no need to specify that in the vote I guess.

Pretty sure that's an automatic action at this point.
RagnorakTres said:
May I suggest that we do not use the cutesy nickname for the soul-warping horror that has given our girlfriend trust issues?

Call it the Incubator. No honorific, no nickname, not an iota of friendliness, just a cool, professional acceptance that yes, it is necessary to temporarily tolerate its presence.
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Calling him Incubator doesn't sound accepting at all.

Take this for example, say I want people to call me Tim, but someone insists on calling me Jim instead. It's a bit rude, and not at all professional.
 
RagnorakTres said:
May I suggest that we do not use the cutesy nickname for the soul-warping horror that has given our girlfriend trust issues?

Call it the Incubator. No honorific, no nickname, not an iota of friendliness, just a cool, professional acceptance that yes, it is necessary to temporarily tolerate its presence.
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yep.
I am still not sure about the Entropy thing.. if th2 incubators reduced it so we could even develop.... WHAT DID THEY USE BEFORE ?
 
Might be worth asking why QB is here. We'll probably get a throwaway answer.

Ugh, I wish we already had a provate telepathy. We could be comforting Mami, reminding Homura not to get provoked, asking Bennouna if she's aware of QB's shit, and talking out loud like a nice kind guca.
 
Firnagzen said:
You leave the apartment by the roof, flying on a disc of Grief - you need do need to pick up Sayaka on the way, of course.
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There's an extra need here.

Firnagzen said:
"You have, ah, new students, Mami?" she asks, including all of you with a little wave.

"Oh, no," Mami says. "Well... we're all friends."
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This is... a thing.

Hannz said:
So, first order of business is to not explode at Kyubey or be overly hostile.

We're trying to be professional here, after all, so chill and relax people.
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[Q] Kill QB.
-[Q] Then eat QB. You're at a cafe, after all.

Hannz said:
Still, that's sound advice so we should drink tea and think of the Mumi.
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We don't have tea, though.

Hannz said:
Public displays of affection aren't exactly professiobal, and we did tell Mami we can't give her cuddles because of professionalism.
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Do hand holding, but with our feet instead of our hands. Our feet are out of sight, right? :p
 
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