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If it's a vital spot directly harming said spot could increase the difficulty of fixing said witch.
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Onmur
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Right, the 'Core'.
Well, if we can find Walpy's Core, it should be easier to kill her. Maybe.
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It's supposed to be in the sense that we want to make sure there are no fires before we go home. Reinterpret it however you want to that effect, I'm trying to also avoid anything that would make Sayaka hesitate to call us for backup if she needed to.
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... It may be better to ask hitomi to check on the boy one. mostly because she's less likely to blow up on us, or misunderstand us.
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Considered it, discarded it. Let's not support HitoKyousu over SayaKyousu regardless of our ships.
Wait, crap. You're completely right. Got to keep in mind why we're doing this in the first place. And while I would love to inform her more about Mami's issues, don't really feel like going into it right now.
[X] Kaizuki
Except we really should explain Mami's issues first. Talking about our crush problems is completely pointless without background context about why precisely it's kind of stressing us out in the first place. Which is definitely not fluffy, and it could take a while. And I just don't particularly feel like going into that right now. And it kind of feels uncomfortable talking about that stuff when Mami is like really close by even with the privacy thing.
Karnewarrior
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We could be a total Sabrina about it and just tell her we want her to do it because it needs to be done and we ship them so she should do it. For his safety. And then immediately hang up the phone.
I'm not really sure what that would do to Sayaka but I don't think rage fills soul gems so it should be safe.
EDIT: The whole Mami issue is summed up in like two sentences though. "She's emotionally dependent on us right now because her friends keep leaving her and we had to tear her away from Kyuubey because he's a liar. And so we're worried that she might feel like she has to say yes" is enough for Madoka to go on - hell, it's basically everything relevant that's happened.
I'm not really sure what that would do to Sayaka but I don't think rage fills soul gems so it should be safe.
EDIT: The whole Mami issue is summed up in like two sentences though. "She's emotionally dependent on us right now because her friends keep leaving her and we had to tear her away from Kyuubey because he's a liar. And so we're worried that she might feel like she has to say yes" is enough for Madoka to go on - hell, it's basically everything relevant that's happened.
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We found out earlier tonight that using grief privacy creates an impenetrable black dome like a drow just cast darkness on you.
Do we need Grief privacy for this? Is Kyubey knowing about our crush on Mami really that dangerous?
I think that Sayaka would have to be deliberately misinterpreting us with malice to get that result, but it is a weird turn of phrase. How about just saying that we want to check up on everyone before we call it a night? Also, why would Sayaka not accept "I'm worried something might have happened" as a reason? She knows that witches can randomly grab people. It happened to her.
That's what I said! Why the hell would Madoka believe Kyubey over us? She knows about the lichbomb, so she knows that Kyubey's full of shit. But she's going to ignore us and trust him because we were vague on the details?
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Wait, crap. You're completely right. Got to keep in mind why we're doing this in the first place. And while I would love to inform her more about Mami's issues, don't really feel like going into it right now.
[X] Kaizuki
Except we really should explain Mami's issues first. Talking about our crush problems is completely pointless without background context about why precisely it's kind of stressing us out in the first place. Which is definitely not fluffy, and it could take a while. And I just don't particularly feel like going into that right now. And it kind of feels uncomfortable talking about that stuff when Mami is like really close by even with the privacy thing.
So both sides are kinda in the right here, actually. It's easy to summarize. But uh... Doesn't this, well, deserve a bit more than a summary and a quick chat...?
Mami is srs business guys.
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Worse Kyubey does is be vague on details....
Do we want to "summarize" something like this, though? And ,IMO, Mami's issues are more important than our uncertainty on the crush. So, I'd actually prefer to go into more detail on the former instead of glossing it over.
Honestly, I just want to move on and am tired of heavy conversations right now. This deserves more time and thought than I'm quite frankly willing to head into right now.
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No, Kyubey withholds everything about the consequences of what he's trying to convince them to do. We're not withholding the important information: the fact that Madoka making a wish will destroy the fucking world. Knowing about the consequences is more important than knowing exactly how it will happen. What is Madoka going to care about more, being warned that she might accidentally end all human life, or a detailed explanation of the contracting system?Worse Kyubey does is be vague on details....
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False.
Madoka Witching out would destroy the world.
Making a wish does not.
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Madoka making a wish always ends up in her witching out.
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right... of course cause nothing else ever happens after making a wish nothing at all.
cause after becoming a mg someone can only become a witch.
because nothing else can possible happen at all.
how about you prove that because
is needed.
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In a hundred timeloops, is there a single one where Madoka didn't either die or witch out? If there was, then Homura wouldn't have had to keep looping. Hell, in loop 4 she witched out after firing a single shot!
That's like saying that pulling the pin and releasing the spoon on a grenade doesn't make the grenade explode, because the chemical fuse running down is what actually triggers detonation. The former inevitably causes the latter. Suggesting that it has no causal effect is disingenuous.
That's like saying that pulling the pin and releasing the spoon on a grenade doesn't make the grenade explode, because the chemical fuse running down is what actually triggers detonation. The former inevitably causes the latter. Suggesting that it has no causal effect is disingenuous.
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I think your missing a point here.
Note the fact that madoka could simply die.
Now unless you think madoka dying leads to the end of the world the statement
If utterly false.
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Yeah, and you can destroy a live grenade before it has to a chance to detonate, but that doesn't mean that pulling the pin doesn't make grenades explode. There is a direct causal relationship between Madoka making a wish and the world ending. An outside force could intervene to derail the chain of cause and effect, but that doesn't mean that it's not still the cause... and betting on that intervention is not something to risk people's lives on, much less an entire world.
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... Your not in any way disproving my point, which is that the statement of madoka making a wish will cause the end of the world is a lie, which is something that a incubator could easily point out (weather he would or not is of course in question).
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It's not a lie. As I just said, there's a direct causal relationship between Madoka making a wish and the world ending.
Madoka makes wish -> Madoka becomes MG -> Madoka witches out -> world ends.
Without some sort of outside intervention, this chain of events is inevitable.
Here's another example.
Pull trigger -> firing pin strikes primer -> primer ignites powder -> expanding gas propels bullet -> bullet strikes person -> person bleeds to death.
The person who pulled the trigger is held legally responsible for the death of the person, regardless of the other steps in between. Do you think that if you went before a judge and tried to claim that you weren't guilty of murder because the gun could have jammed of the round could have been a dud, that would get you anywhere?
Madoka makes wish -> Madoka becomes MG -> Madoka witches out -> world ends.
Without some sort of outside intervention, this chain of events is inevitable.
Here's another example.
Pull trigger -> firing pin strikes primer -> primer ignites powder -> expanding gas propels bullet -> bullet strikes person -> person bleeds to death.
The person who pulled the trigger is held legally responsible for the death of the person, regardless of the other steps in between. Do you think that if you went before a judge and tried to claim that you weren't guilty of murder because the gun could have jammed of the round could have been a dud, that would get you anywhere?
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... Your argument is of course utterly moronic.
namely to be right all the steps have to happen, however unless you can say every gun ever fired has caused a person to bleed to death you cannot say that madoka making a witch leads to her witchdoom. It merely causes the possibility for her to become a witch, not a certainty.
And none of this changes the fact that claim madoka wishes = the end of the world is false.
These steps do not by nessary lead to
these ones.
And these steps do not nessarly lead to
these ones.
namely to be right all the steps have to happen, however unless you can say every gun ever fired has caused a person to bleed to death you cannot say that madoka making a witch leads to her witchdoom. It merely causes the possibility for her to become a witch, not a certainty.
A judge will not a judge person of shooting to kill if the bullet didn't kill someone though, which is the whole flaw of your argument. Attempted murder possible, but not murder.
And none of this changes the fact that claim madoka wishes = the end of the world is false.
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If you fire a gun while it's pointed at a person, there is a high probability that they will die from it, and you will still be held criminally liable for trying to kill them even if you failed in the attempt. For that matter, if you fire a gun without checking whether or not there was a person in the potential path of the bullet, you will still be held liable for any injuries or deaths caused by those bullets due to criminal negligence.
A court of law would find that a reasonable person in those circumstances should have known that firing the gun could result in death, and would find that person guilty of murder, attempted murder, manslaughter, assault with a deadly weapon and/or criminal negligence, depending on exactly how things played out. Saying, "I could have missed," or "they could have survived," would not change that. Nor does saying, before firing the weapon, "An outside force could intervene to prevent this person from dying as a result of me pulling this trigger," mean that you're not responsible if they die, which is what you're trying to argue with Madoka.
The key word, of course, being reasonable, which you are clearly not interested in being.
That's enough, the both of you.
To clarify, I'm notand hopefully won't ever be a mod and thus not speaking in any official position, but both of you can knock it off. The vitriol is becoming tiresome to read, both for me and likely everyone else in the thread. You can discuss this civilly or not at all, and especially without spaghetti posting (by which I mean quote by quote breakdowns, which are irritating to read and exceedingly tiring to parse).
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I'm not being reasonable....
In the original show the only 1 Magical girl that became a witch in the final timeline was Sayaka, 2 of the other MG's died, one became an not-actually entity, and the last one survive memoires in-tacked a universal rewrite.
You are the one trying to use all manner of analogies to try to prove that the statement
"Madoka making a wish and becoming a magical girl will cause the end of the world"
Is true.
I am stating that it is false.
*See QM's post*.......
anyway, everything that you have stated so far has not changed the situation, which is that Madoka making a wish will not end the world. Your attempt to liken it to a real world situation fails because it does not change that madoka could literally choose to kill herself to prevent becoming a witch (or someone else killing her to prevent her from becoming a witch) or madoka staying by us because we can prevent a witchout.
Karnewarrior
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Is it just me, or do we seem to always have some two people having it out in the comments section?
Ugo started fights. Then Sereg started fights. The Aura was fighting, and now Speck is fighting, and now I'm starting fights...
Oh god, it's gotten to me! I can't bring this vitriol back to Bay 12, I might *gasp* slow the development of Dwarf Fortress! *endgasp*
Ugo started fights. Then Sereg started fights. The Aura was fighting, and now Speck is fighting, and now I'm starting fights...
Oh god, it's gotten to me! I can't bring this vitriol back to Bay 12, I might *gasp* slow the development of Dwarf Fortress! *endgasp*