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So, archive of conspiracy thread now available in a... ah, as-good-as-I-could-get-it format.

Somebody please read it to validate my efforts at making this stuff public. I know it's ugly but it's the best I could find that wouldn't literally take me five hours of by-hand quote-making.

There's ugomura and newspapers :)

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TheFanficAddict said:
I'm not even sure who to vote for here..
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Well, ummmmm... I can't help but feel like you're not up to date, because as much as saying it is kinda tyrannical, at this point it's either... Well, that, or null. There is no opposition vote :/ You could make one, obviously, I suppose. But the unity is intentional at this point, it should help Sabrina stay calm. A vote would have to be a huge improvement (a miracle if it happened) to justify unrest.

*majority increases*
 
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...there is a goddamn thread about the metabomb.

Started by someone who was banned from this thread.

I...I..give up. I give up.

[X]Throw ourselves at the GM's mercy

This isn't even a joke vote anymore. People are taking this way too seriously.
 
universalperson said:
...there is a goddamn thread about the metabomb.

Started by someone who was banned from this thread.

I...I..give up. I give up.

[X]Throw ourselves at the GM's mercy

This isn't even a joke vote anymore. People are taking this way too seriously.
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It's a discussion, not a thread, and it's over, and there's been a lot of talk in this thread about why it was started and used. :/

As for taking this too seriously... THE STRATEGIC SUPPLY OF WAFF WAS THREATENED!
 
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So, when the conspiracy was first meeting to try and figure out a compromise vote, I laid out what I thought were the things it was most important for the vote to do:

1.) Answer Mami's question. Which, like I said, I believe is "Why did you deceive me?" And I think our answer to this has to be couched in terms of emotion, because that's what's driving her right now.
2.) Reassure Mami of our feelings for her. I think this needs to come early on, or she's going to be too freaked out to hear anything else we have to say. I agree with Kaizuki's theory that not doing this last time is a big part of how this went wrong so quickly. I even stated my concern that might be the case back then, which was a big part of why I didn't vote for that vote.
3.) Reassure Mami that we don't intend to abandon her. In my own suggested vote, I said "stay by her side" rather than just "stay" or "stay here" just because I felt like the latter made it sound more like we didn't want to give up a rent free apartment.
4.) Specify that we will reassure her again, change our approach or stop talking and let her process shit if need be. I wouldn't have thought that we would need to say that, but in the last update we kept babbling even when it was making things worse, so apparently we do.
5.) Be concerned about the state of her Soul Gem, but don't just go yanking grief out of it without so much as a by-your-leave or warning. That was what pushed her from "losing her shit" to "tying us up and dumping us on the floor" last time, and as somebody else confirmed by finding the quote, she's flinched when we've done it in the past. We've way too blasé about fiddling with the soul of someone who does not currently trust us.
6.) Don't make things worse by reminding her of her loneliness, making it seem like we were only with her out of charity, or worse... make it seem like we're using her fear of being alone to force her to forgive us.
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I think the vote that we finally arrived at and which currently has the lion's share of the votes covers those bases. We have a contingency to watch her Soul Gem, but not to screw with it without her permission again. We have a contingency to stop if she responds poorly so we can change to a different plan. We have an answer to her question that won't do any further damage to her self-esteem. We have reassurances of our regard for her and desire to stay with her. One thing I wouldn't mind is to try and get those reassurances in a little sooner and maybe fix some odd phrasing in places, but that's probably just me overthinking things. There's a great reluctance among most of the people involved to risk doing any more fiddling at this point, and it might well be too late at this point anyway.

Does anyone think we missed something vital? If so, what? (Keeping in mind that the intent for this vote is just to get her stabilized and calm enough to listen to us, and that more detailed explanations and answering of questions is intended to follow in future votes once that has been achieved.)

Okay, that's enough forums for me. Time for me to go to bed.
 
Welp.

[x] The Great Ugo Shadow Cabal

Are we going to get in trouble for what amounts to helping somebody evade a threadban?
 
PoptartProdigy said:
I do not know of the threadban spoken of here. Have not been following closely enough to catch it.

Sooo...I hope not?
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Ugo is a dead man, even if it doesn't seem like it.

As for Einseg's concerns... probably not. The matter is public, of course, and Ugo never put forward a vote of his own -- at least not one that was used, and at least not in the conspiracy discussion. He suggested changes to votes, criticized motives, and offered valuable insight. There were occasions where he was directly overruled, and occasions where his arguments won out. He behaved (for the most part) very well, quite unlike what one would expect of the necromantic construct that he is. He even put in a couple good words for his waifu.

But in the end, Ugolino did not have a vote at the PMAS table. Furthermore, his threadban was enforced and its purpose was properly served by that enforcement: he has not generated flames, created random RPing, etc.

So, no, I don't think we'll be getting "in trouble" over it. The threadban was issued for repeated bad behavior, with the purpose of putting a stop to that behavior. I believe that it has succeeded in doing so.

What I do think would see people in trouble for such a thing would be if in a discussion or other outside-thread on-site area, Ugolino acted to incite in-thread flames and succeeded in doing so. That would be a violation of the spirit of the ban on his part, and certainly anyone who purveyed the results to the thread would be engaged in the same activity that saw Ugo banned.

But that didn't happen here at all. There was only one instance in which I feel that Ugo behaved in a manner unbecoming a user of the PMAS thread, and he didn't try to incite similar activity in anyone else. During that instance, the other members of the discussion continued to interact civily with the thread.

Of course, all of this is just my opinion -- I'm no staff member. But by Meow and Bastet, I'd argue in the defense of everyone involved in the PMAS thread and the conspiracy discussion if charges were made of helping to circumvent a threadban, not because I'd probably be one of the ones charged, but because I honestly believe such charges would be unjustified.
 
Elephant Parade said:
Ugolino, the thread's top poster, got threadbanned for... insulting people during arguments, I think? Or maybe just aggressive language—I don't actually remember.

edit: ninja'd
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Firn advocated for a temporary threadban following an episode where Ugo incited arguments while using ad-homenim arguments and flailing at strawmen. As this sort of thing had apparently occurred one to many times before, the mods permabanned him instead.
 
wow... uh, I'm not sure if this suggestion will help or not
[]*while visibly struggling with the bindings" I am NOT going to lose you"
-[]I don't want to lie to you anymore... and I care about you too much to let anything else that can hurt you remain unknown
[]No more lies, no more deceit

We have been established in Mami's mind as a heroic, if not completely tactful, figure and may be able to use this characterization as a grounding... of course Mami could be blatantly panicking and utterly forgetting about this...
 
ex143 said:
wow... uh, I'm not sure if this suggestion will help or not
[]*while visibly struggling with the bindings" I am NOT going to lose you"
-[]I don't want to lie to you anymore... and I care about you too much to let anything else that can hurt you remain unknown
[]No more lies, no more deceit

We have been established in Mami's mind as a heroic, if not completely tactful, figure and may be able to use this characterization as a grounding... of course Mami could be blatantly panicking and utterly forgetting about this...
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Tad late.

" I am NOT going to lose you"

I like that line, I'll say that much. But it's very much a throwback to Ye Olde Original Kaizuki Vote... which, I mean, is probably why I like it >.>
 
[x]Kaizuki

Alright then... hope all goes well...10 pages of discussion is kinda long... looks at thread length
uh.....
 
Surrrre let's go with that. Still think that blunt as a hammer might be better in this case due to our, probably, established personality, but eh, we'll see it in the internal thoughts of Sabs anyway.
 
ex143 said:
Surrrre let's go with that. Still think that blunt as a hammer might be better in this case due to our, probably, established personality.
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The brunt of the discussion was that Mami can be asking two questions, possibly, and the one of them is just "why are you leaving me" while the other is "why did you betray me." The consensus was that because the latter is vastly more dangerous than the former, it's best to directly address the latter in case that's whats being asked, and if it turns out it's the former, well, that's not a huge relationship-damaging problem.

... I still really like that line you dropped. But, that said, if we responded to "Why did you betray me?" with "I am NOT going to lose you!"...

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You can see how that would end up just being... incredibly weird.
 
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PMIA!Tatsuya: Sounds fine to me
Ryubey: Dammit kid...

Suddenly I can see where some of the problems might start, but as was said earlier, the more distress and panic that we end up in, the more Mami might listen to us... for better or worse...
 
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And this has been a quick summary of the last fifty or sixty hours in seven posts feat Kaizuki and ex143. Now, to a quick message from our sponsors.
 
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