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Tentative Frankenvote™ time:

[X] Let Oriko talk, or even better, rant, any time she needs it.
--[X] "I know you're trying you're best, and I'm not blaming you. It's going to be okay. We still have a lot of time, and we can still fix this. You're not going to die, and Kirika isn't going to die either."
[X] Tell her that what's happening to her isn't exactly unheard of.
[x]But Oriko? You absolutelyhave more meaning than your powers. You matter because you're Oriko, and not just because you have a crystal ball.
[X] You believe that there's something about her wish, aboutwhat her visions are showing her, that she just can't accept anymore or regrets.
[X] It would help, if she would look back on the last couple of days in detail. Especially, the night her powers started hurting her. There had to be some sort of realization or epiphany that she had, even if might have been an unconscious one. Does anything come to mind for her?
[x]Remember that other timeline I mentioned a while back? Theone where you saved Yuma? Where you and Kirika were a force for good? Well, there'smore. I probably should havetalked to you- both of you- about this earlier, but...it just neverseemed like the time. I'm sorry...
-[X] Do you want to know more about her? (If yes, explainSymmetry Diamond Oriko, and the necessary parts of the story to make sense of her.)
 
Onmur said:
Not included in my frankenvote: An apology. Because I don't think it's necessary, but I find it weird nobody's complaining/making an alt with the apology, since everybody was voting for that.
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Personally, I don't think that an apology is either required or useful. We told her the truth as well as we could. Oriko is intensely frustrated, but the target of that frustration is not Sabrina. Oriko is angry and scared because of the horrible futures shown to her by her visions and she's frustrated because she doesn't see a way to save everyone like she wants to. So I vote "no" on an apology.

Onmur said:
[X] Let Oriko talk, or even better, rant, any time she needs it.
-[X] Interpret your Wish, Oriko, not your visions. Your visions are a tool, a means to an end. What have you been using them for?
-[X] That's more important. Not what you can do, but what you've chosen to do.
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This is fine, but it doesn't help Oriko figure out why her current desires are in conflict with her wish. We need Oriko to tell us about the specifics of her wish (or at least to think about those specifics to herself) so that she realizes where the conflict is. I don't know for sure what the conflict is, but let's say (for example) that Oriko was depressed (and possibly suicidal) when she made her contract and she wanted to accomplish something great and she didn't mind dying in the process. Or maybe her original wish was for a singular destiny, but now she wants options. At any rate, Oriko is in a different state of mind and her priorities have shifted, so there's a conflict between what she wished for then and what she wants now. This is the conflict that Oriko needs to come to terms with.

-[X] And you know what's more important? You, you are more important than your powers; you're far more than a Crystal Ball to use...
-[X] You matter, you, as a person, as someone to be loved, to Kirika.
-[X] And you matter to me, as a friend.
-[X] If I had to choose between keeping you alive and healty, or keeping your powers... what do you think I would choose?
[X] I've told you about that other Oriko, who found her own answer, her own meaning to her life, and truly came into her own from it.
-[X] Do you want to know more about her? (If yes, explain Symmetry Diamond Oriko, and the necessary parts of the story to make sense of her.)
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This is good, but I think it needs to come after Oriko realizes what the problem is.

UbeOne said:
I'd choose the vote that focuses on the "listening to and comforting Oriko and Kirika" part.
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Listening to them and comforting them is important, definitely. But Oriko's primary need is to understand what the conflict is between her wish and her current desires, and she needs a bit of encouragement to talk about those things and figure it out. We don't know what that conflict is (specifically), but it's still quite possible for us to ask the questions that will lead Oriko to the answer.
 
Well, after a night full of sleep, I'm... more confused about this vote than last night.

Uh.

boonerunner said:
This is fine, but it doesn't help Oriko figure out why her current desires are in conflict with her wish. We need Oriko to tell us about the specifics of her wish (or at least to think about those specifics to herself) so that she realizes where the conflict is.
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I read this:
redzonejoe said:
The powers are a symptom of the wish. You don't look at the powers to explain your wish, you look at the wish and maybe guess what the powers are doing to further it.

Oriko is doing that thing I hate where she's starting at the conclusion!
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And figured: Oriko's problem might not be that she's misinterpreting her Wish exactly, but rather that she's missing the distinction between Wish and Wish Powers.

What I tried to point out, "Your visions are a tool, a means to an end. What have you been using them for?" is that her Wish is not her Visions, but the use she makes of her powers, overall. Even if she were to decide to ditch her powers and realize her destiny/meaning without magical help, that would still be a choice, and thus her Wish in action.

It's about the choices she makes, and she's not seeing that because she's over reliant on her powers.

I think Oriko is a... protector? Of sorts? She's always trying to look for ways things can go wrong so she can prevent them. Her power is not so much to see the future, but to protect others from The Bad Things That Might Befall Them™?

(Also, I don't know how to get Oriko to admit to not being fulfilling her Wish. That would be the million dollar question (answer?))

TheFanficAddict said:
You're not going to die,
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Not sure we can get away with contradicting her on this right now. She's pretty big on dying.

Agent Whiskers said:
Gah, Onmur's vote feels so sappy and pretentious, even if it is true. I think I might actually prefer Ugolino's.
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To be honest, if I were saying stuff like that, I'd do so in a... matter-of-fact/rough/insulting manner just to avoid being sappy. :V

RexHeller said:
I'm unbiased! Mostly because I don't actually know what's going on either.
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In that case, I'm also mostly unbiased. :p

TheFanficAddict said:
Well someone who isn't Ugo the Scion of Social, Onmur the Grand, Based Lord of Omake, or Agent Whiskers??
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Loktarogar said:
[X] Onmur

I trust sempai
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Oh, my, when did I get titles? :oops:

I think it's time I admit it, then: I'm a sham, I'm actually Evil™, I haven't ever written a quest nor a story worth reading, I've never drank actual, quality tea, and I don't even have a microwave.

*Kisses a random baby off the street*

Vote for me.
 
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Onmur said:
Oh, my, when did I get titles? :oops:

I think it's time I admit it, then: I'm a sham, I'm actually Evil™, I haven't ever written a quest nor a story worth reading, I've never drank actual, quality tea, and I don't even have a microwave.

*Kisses a random baby off the street*

Vote for me.
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Not possessing a microwave is actually a big bonus when dealing with Oriko as that means you can't anger her by doing unspeakable things to tea :V

As for thel votes: they are all pretty similar and while Onmur's vote is pretty sappy and full of feelings of all things, I like it best because right now Oriko is in no mind to actually listen to well constructed arguments, so letting her rant and talk may actually help. Not to say that the other votes are bad.

[x] Onmur
 
Onmur said:
Kitty would've been the most appropriate, I guess, but that's just because cat rating is just that flexible.
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Indeed it is.
In this case it would mean "crosses the road without looking and hopes for the best" but it can have a variety of meanings in different contexts. Unfortunately that would surely also lead to abuse, so it was rejected :(
 
FelOnyx said:
And this is a problem why?
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We need a meta quest in which quests as a whole interact with one another.

... PMAS would be represented by Sabrina, wouldn't it?

Meow quest would be a cat -not Amura herself, but a cat.

Sayaka Quest could be a suit of armor armed with a sword and a gun, that trips itself everytime it tries to shoot something.
 
Onmur said:
We need a meta quest in which quests as a whole interact with one another.

... PMAS would be represented by Sabrina, wouldn't it?

Meow quest would be a cat -not Amura herself, but a cat.

Sayaka Quest could be a suit of armor armed with a sword and a gun, that trips itself everytime it tries to shoot something.
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Further layers of meta? I approve.
 
Unfortunately Quest Quest is already taken, but if it uses Quest Quest as the protagonist it can be called Quest Quest Quest.
 
Torgamous said:
That sounds like a Witch to me.
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Syster: "Uh-oh! Seems Sayaqa Witched out again."

Sayaqa: "GRAAAAAAWL! HEAD PUUUUUUNNS!"

Syster: "Who's up for a Raid?"

Dr. Cat: "Hunting time!"

Asuqa: "I'll get a homerun this time for sure."

Spir-homu: "It's cheating if you control both sides."

Asuqa: "Oh, come on!"

Dr. Cat: "Hunt, hunt, hunt, hunt..."

Syster: "Hold on, I need to hold votes."

Dr. Cat: "But that takes forever!"

SPIDERWITCH: "HWEE AR ALSO HUNTIN'!"

Dr. Cat: "Kitty!"

SPIDERWITCH: "HWEE NO KITTY. HWEE BRRROUGHT NAHPALM TODAY!"

Asuqa: "Well, you can't go wrong with fire..."

Syster: "Voting's done! Let's pick up a few more party members and get this thing on! Maybe we can pick up a Mami?"

Spir-homu: "I think a Madoka based quest would be better-"

SPIDERWITCH: "HWEE AGRRREE ON THHE TAHKING OF A MAMI!"

Spir-homu: "But-"

Dr. Cat: "Yellow quest girl!"

Syster: "Let's go!"

Spir-homu: "... A Mami is fine, too."
 
Onmur said:
We need a meta quest in which quests as a whole interact with one another.

... PMAS would be represented by Sabrina, wouldn't it?

Meow quest would be a cat -not Amura herself, but a cat.

Sayaka Quest could be a suit of armor armed with a sword and a gun, that trips itself everytime it tries to shoot something.
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Sayaka quest also would lose its limbs all the time.
 
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