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I'm not going to weigh in on the logic of either side's arguments, but I will ask that everyone read over what they write and really consider if the words they used are polite and won't be inflammatory intentionally or not. You cant account for people's tolerances perfectly but at least try to say your piece without saying things that can be easily construed as overly dismissive of the other side of the argument, thank you.

Please endeavour to be cordial. :^)
 
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--[] Royal Authority Order: Slave Wyrm Corpse [-15 Kraka Grom Favor]
---[] Royal Expedite [-15 Karak Ungor Favor]
--[] Royal Authority Order: Slave Wyrm Corpse [-15 Kraka Grom Favor]
---[] Royal Expedite [-15 Karak Ungor Favor]
You need to number these, otherwise the Tally is going to fuse them into one option.
 
Hmm yeh I think I like Crack more just in case the storm appears next turn.

monolith mastery isnt needed until we start waytaping for more adamat anyway
 
Guys we can always just make another facility inside khasagar later, it's not like it's in any way special like the other 2 options. Think of it as our personal facility vs common use one.
You mean the thing that can be done with pure favor? If that won't go through then it shouldn't even be in the cards for this vote. Read the thing person.
"Guys, there's no need to build a Khazagar facility now because we can do it later."
"If you won't build a Khazagar facility later, then the option shouldn't even exist now."

This is an elaborate way to say you don't care while pretending you do.
 
Hmm yeh I think I like Crack more just in case the storm appears next turn.

monolith mastery isnt needed until we start waytaping for more adamat anyway
On turn 43, magic infused clouds started forming in the atmosphere, which was our warning that the First Storm was coming on Turn 44. Weird magic cloud and storm phenomena is a consistent sign of the Storms of Magic in the canon lore as well.

Given that those clouds have not appeared yet, we're at least two turns out.
 
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Makes sense also delaying atherbind lets us makes sure it forms into a combo and have smelters ready in the Waystones for the storm.
The smelters are ready either way at the end of turn 59, when we build Aetherbinder doesn't really affect that, but it does let us make sure Aetherbind forms a Combo properly.
 
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I don't actually mind letting others know about the anvil. At some point I'd like to bring the Brotherhood and other fellow Drakk Runelords in to the High Energy Runesmithing club so making a separate annex away from Khazagar to is a good start. In the future I can imagine moving or building new waystones around the fulcrum to make it permanently available eventually culminating in being the site of the reproduced Karag Dron array.

A Runehenge if you will.
 
"Guys, there's no need to build a Khazagar facility now because we can do it later."
"If you won't build a Khazagar facility later, then the option shouldn't even exist now."

This is an elaborate way to say you don't care while pretending you do.
Rude, You are arguing in bad faith that we will absolutely never do a completely free action to do what you want in this specific vote that totally locks us out of the other options, meanwhile your option if there was literally any interest would get done, again, for favour only meaning it's essentially free for us to do.

This is an elaborate way to say you don't care while pretending you do while being a prick about it.
 
I have considered about letting others know vs using Heir and Retainer actions.

But to be quite honest I want the Retainers training and helping Grom on turn 59, and finishing training on 60. And Karstah needs to build Starlight or Brynbar. And while secrecy is a matter of some concern to me, the new information re-contextualizes my old position.

We need a facility, that comes at a cost and if that cost is complete and total secrecy, fine. There's still quite a bit of secrecy to go around.
 
I have considered about letting others know vs using Heir and Retainer actions.

But to be quite honest I want the Retainers training and helping Grom on turn 59, and finishing training on 60. And Karstah needs to build Starlight or Brynbar. And while secrecy is a matter of some concern to me, the new information re-contextualizes my old position.

We need a facility, that comes at a cost and if that cost is complete and total secrecy, fine. There's still quite a bit of secrecy to go around.
Secrecy in exchange for another hold sponsored project is well worth it. The Drakk artisans probably think they're safe since it's been less than a century but nope, Klausson's entered a few mood again. These guys know about adamant in general terms at this point so being told to make a manufacturing complex capable of handling more of the stuff than any of their clans have in normal gromril is going to be a sight to behold.
 
I have considered about letting others know vs using Heir and Retainer actions.

But to be quite honest I want the Retainers training and helping Grom on turn 59, and finishing training on 60. And Karstah needs to build Starlight or Brynbar. And while secrecy is a matter of some concern to me, the new information re-contextualizes my old position.

We need a facility, that comes at a cost and if that cost is complete and total secrecy, fine. There's still quite a bit of secrecy to go around.
Also no way Snorri wont pay for secrecy clause and dwarvs are serios with oaths and contracts.
 
that does bring up a thing that might not have been realised by everyone.

for the future making shit with the facility, anything that's structural cannot be built there unless it is staying there. you have to make that stuff on site.

so if any conception for a monument isn't mobile runewise, it doesn't work as something you could make in the facility.

which means gronti and siege weapons. and we ain't an engineer, we have no place trying to make proper non-gronti siege weapons.

rune already existing ones sure, but making them as would be the purpose of such a facility?

oh, and also transports. that's much easier to concieve of us using the facility for. as a sky-shipyard.

Not necessarily. Large structures can be prefabricated in parts and assembled on site.
 
[X] Plan: Glorious Vision, Help Ornsmotek and Support Grimgal
-[X] Snorri & Karstah
--[X] [Difficult] Flamedrinking Pt. 2 [1 Heir]
----[X] Choose: Combo, Flamedrinking: [Rune of Thungni's Presence, Rune of Thungni, Rune of Forgeflame]
--[X] Write-In: Aetherbinder Pt. 1 [1 Heir]
---[X] The Aetherbinder "Zhuffbarazen (lit. Torrent Binding)", Talisman: This device is a series of plates and metal loops linked together by adamant chains that fits over a dwarven arm, either armored or unarmored. Link to design post.
---[X] Choose: Master Rune of Purification (T4 Voidstone) + Rune of Worldly Warding (T4 Ancient Stone Troll Blood) + Ancestor Rune of Thungni (T4 Adamant). The theme idea is "I will Endure the Flow, I will Resist it, I will Shape it and what I cannot use I will Burn Away."
--[X] [Simple] Once more with Smelting [1 Heir] {Note: This Smelter is being built near a Waystone near the Anvil}
--[X] Examine Karaz-Kazak-Rhun [1 AP]
--[X] [Difficult] Monolith Mastery Pt. 1 [2 AP]
--[X] [Difficult] Starlight Pt. 1 [1 Heir]
---[X] Brightcaller: This is the greathammer of Clan Skarridum, a weapon also known as Brynlidha and Brighttongue. In structure it is entirely Adamant (you learned your lesson with Zharrgal), with the metal haft wrapped in Wutroth native to Dorden's territory, sourced from the Plumbeards' groves and decorated with gems retrieved from Dorden's depths. Link to design post.
---[X] Choose: Master Rune of Conduction (T4 Radiant Pegasus Blood + T2 Dragon Essence) + Lightspite (T4 Radiant Pegasus Blood) + Rune of Echoblow (T2 Dragon Gas Sac). If this Combos please call it "Constellations".
--[X] Extrasensory Perception Pt. 1 [3 AP]
-[X] Retainers & Orders
--[X] Expedition, Grungaldrin [2 Retainer + Industry of the North]
--[X] Expedition, The Throng is Mustered [1 Retainer] Support Grimgal
--[X] Order: T4 Elder Storm Wyrm's Brain
--[X] Royal Authority Order: T4 Cockatrice's Eye [-15 Kraka Grom Favor]
--[X] Royal Authority Order: T4 Lightning Oriented upgrade to Stonehorn Horns [-15 Karak Ungor Favor]
--[X] Royal Authority Order: Slave Wyrm Corpse 1 [-15 Kraka Grom Favor]
--[X] Royal Authority Order: Slave Wyrm Corpse 2 [-15 Kraka Grom Favor]
--[X] Royal Authority Order: T4 Ancient Greedy Troll Heart [-15 Karak Ungor Favor]
---[X] Royal Expedite: T4 Ancient Greedy Troll Heart [-15 Karak Ungor Favor]
--[X] Princely Hunting: T4 Elder Greedy Troll [-15 Kraka Drakk Favor]

[X] Plan: A Crack In The Consternation (Turn 58)

[X] Plan: Go all Out
-[X] [Simple] Gronti-Bay: [Cost: any 2 actions] Peerless Production will proc.
--[X] Hirelings: [Cost 5 Favour with Kraka Drakk] x7. -35 Kraka Drakk Favor
--[X] [Location:] Overtop the Anvil of the Earth: +3 actions to Gronti-Bay.
--[X] [Scope:] Dedicated General Facility. +2 actions to Gronti-Bay.
--[X] [Runes:] Do Both. +3 actions to Skaudardrengi.

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This device is a series of plates and metal loops linked together by adamant chains that fits over a dwarven arm, either armored and unarmored. When at rest the adamant construction seems to be a kind of decoration or a piece of very sturdy dwarf jewelry and it is marked by a wonderful knotwork pattern of a forge and the implication of a smith working at the anvil in the background. However, when active it is most clearly not decoration. This device is a tool for the manipulation of heat and magic and runic energy in battle and in acts of creation. Three depressions are present in its design, the first near the shoulder contains the Master Rune of Purification - glowing black as night when active. The second lays just below the elbow, and the third upon the back of the hand, and these contain the rune of Worldly Warding and Ancestor Rune of Thungni respectively. The light of the runes shimmers in the heat of the forge and the glow of Magick.
Source: The Aetherbinder

Article:
This is the greathammer of Clan Skarridum, a weapon also known as Brynlidha and Brighttongue. In structure it is entirely Adamant (you learned your lesson with Zharrgal), with the metal haft wrapped in Wutroth native to Dorden's territory, sourced from the Plumbeards' groves and decorated with gems retrieved from Dorden's depths. These gems are cut to resemble eyes and are set into lines cut down to the Adamant which imply the faces of the ancestors of Thane Morglum, their names upon their foreheads in the Aldrhun script. You have kept it simple and personal, because this is a gift to this boy and his family, thus the message shall be most clear to him and his. The hammer head is a cylinder of Adamant that tapers into a truly wicked sharp warspike and prybar. He is a warrior and this is not the hammer of a maker, so the striking face of the hammer is marked with grooves and ridges to concentrate force into a grid of focused points, points which should leave a blinding trail of shining lights by the power of the Runes when the hammer is swung. The Runes will be set into stars of Adamant connected by knotwork in a rendition of the constellation of The King's Hammer. The three brightest stars in that constellation will glow a beautiful gold and the rest are Pure Gromril polished to shine, left blank so that they may be inscribed with the names of the mightiest foes the Thane defeats in battle.
Source: Brightcaller


Social: Choose 2 outside of Plan Vote.
[X] [Social:] Dreng dueling the Hearth Guard in a friendly spar.
[X] [Social:] Dolgi gifting Ironwing and his mate new sets of armour on their anniversary.

Dolgi, where is my Talismanic Featherweight :V also I just want to meet his friends. Dreng is cool and I want to learn more about him, and possibly use this as a tie in for training Snorri's combat skills.

Myrion: Choose 1 outside of Plan Vote.
[X] [Letters:] Knowledge about Phoenix King Bel Shanaar [Standard]

What is the King like? He's a cipher to us right now.

Grimgal wishes to join the Throng of Kraka Drakk when they march with the High King and Prince Malekith
[X] [Grimgal:] Accept.

Dragon War yesssssssss.

Here we goooo. Timer is up, vote is Open.
 
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[X] Plan: Glorious Vision, Help Ornsmotek and Support Grimgal
[X] Plan: A Crack In The Consternation (Turn 58)

Skaud Vote: The intent is to stormforge the dragon. Using a waystone or Khaz is a major miss imo. Full send it, Drakk will build it in its entirety.
[X] Plan: Go all Out
-[X] [Simple] Gronti-Bay: [Cost: any 2 actions] Peerless Production will proc.
--[X] Hirelings: [Cost 5 Favour with Kraka Drakk] x7. -35 Kraka Drakk Favor
--[X] [Location:] Overtop the Anvil of the Earth: +3 actions to Gronti-Bay.
--[X] [Scope:] Dedicated General Facility. +2 actions to Gronti-Bay.
--[X] [Runes:] Do Both. +3 actions to Skaudardrengi.

[X] [Grimgal:] Accept.
[X] [Letters:] Knowledge about Phoenix King Bel Shanaar [Standard]
[X] [Social:] Dolgi the Younger contemplating his future prospects.
[X] [Social:] Dolgi gifting Ironwing and his mate new sets of armour on their anniversary.
[X] [Social:] Nain talking to other Runesmiths about his work expanding the lift.
 
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[X] Plan: Glorious Vision, Help Ornsmotek and Support Grimgal
-[X] Snorri & Karstah
--[X] [Difficult] Flamedrinking Pt. 2 [1 Heir]
--[X] Write-In: Aetherbinder Pt. 1 [1 Heir]
---[X] The Aetherbinder "Zhuffbarazen (lit. Torrent Binding)", Talisman: This device is a series of plates and metal loops linked together by adamant chains that fits over a dwarven arm, either armored and unarmored. Link to design post.
---[] Choose: Master Rune of Purification (T4 Voidstone) + Rune of Worldly Warding (T4 Ancient Stone Troll Blood) + Ancestor Rune of Thungni (T4 Adamant). The theme idea is "I will Endure the Flow, I will Resist it, I will Shape it and what I cannot use I will Burn Away."
--[X] [Simple] Once more with Smelting [1 Heir] {Note: This Smelter is being built near a Waystone near the Anvil}
--[X] Examine Karaz-Kazak-Rhun [1 AP]
--[X] [Difficult] Monolith Mastery Pt. 1 [2 AP]
--[X] [Difficult] Starlight Pt. 1 [1 Heir]
---[X] Brightcaller: This is the greathammer of Clan Skarridum, a weapon also known as Brynlidha and Brighttongue. In structure it is entirely Adamant (you learned your lesson with Zharrgal), with the metal haft wrapped in Wutroth native to Dorden's territory, sourced from the Plumbeards' groves and decorated with gems retrieved from Dorden's depths. Link to design post.
---[X] Choose: Master Rune of Conduction (T4 Radiant Pegasus Blood + T2 Dragon Essence) + Lightspite (T4 Radiant Pegasus Blood) + Rune of Echoblow (T2 Dragon Gas Sac). If this Combos please call it "Constellations".
--[X] Extrasensory Perception Pt. 1 [3 AP]
-[X] Retainers & Orders
--[X] Expedition, Grungaldrin [2 Retainer + Industry of the North]
--[X] Expedition, The Throng is Mustered [1 Retainer] Support Grimgal
--[X] Order: T4 Elder Storm Wyrm's Brain
--[X] Royal Authority Order: T4 Cockatrice's Eye [-15 Kraka Grom Favor]
--[X] Royal Authority Order: T4 Lightning Oriented upgrade to Stonehorn Horns [-15 Karak Ungor Favor]
--[X] Royal Authority Order: Slave Wyrm Corpse 1 [-15 Kraka Grom Favor]
--[X] Royal Authority Order: Slave Wyrm Corpse 2 [-15 Kraka Grom Favor]
--[X] Royal Authority Order: T4 Ancient Greedy Troll Heart [-15 Karak Ungor Favor]
---[X] Royal Expedite: T4 Ancient Greedy Troll Heart [-15 Karak Ungor Favor]

[X] Plan: A Crack In The Consternation (Turn 58)
-[X] Snorri & Karstah
--[X] [Difficult] Flamedrinking Pt. 2 [1 Heir]
--[X] Write-In: Aetherbinder Pt. 1 [1 Heir]
---[X] Choose: Master Rune of Purification (T4 Voidstone) + Rune of Worldly Warding (T4 Ancient Stone Troll Blood) + Ancestor Rune of Thungni (T4 Adamant)
--[X] [Simple] Once more with Smelting [1 Heir] {Note: This Smelter is being built near a Waystone near the Anvil}
--[X] [Difficult] Starlight Pt. 1 [1 Heir]
---[X] Choose: Master Rune of Conduction (Radiant Pegasus Blood + Dragon Essence), Rune of Lightspite (Radiant Pegasus Blood), Rune of Echoblow (Elder Wyrm's Gas Sac)
--[X] Extrasensory Perception Pt. 2 [3 Snorri AP]
--[X] Aetherbinder Pt.2 [3 Snorri AP]
-[X] Retainers & Orders
--[X] Expedition, Grungaldrin [2 Retainer + Industry of the North]
--[X] Expedition, The Throng is Mustered [1 Retainer]
--[X] Order: T4 Elder Storm Wyrm's Brain
--[X] Royal Authority Order: T4 Cockatrice's Eye [-15 Kraka Grom Favor]
--[X] Royal Authority Order: Slave Wyrm Corpse #1 [-15 Kraka Grom Favor]
---[X] Royal Expedite #1 [-15 Karak Ungor Favor]
--[X] Royal Authority Order: Slave Wyrm Corpse #2 [-15 Kraka Grom Favor]
---[X] Royal Expedite #2 [-15 Karak Ungor Favor]
--[X] Royal Authority Order: T4 Elder Wyrm's Blood x2 [-30 Kraka Grom Favor]
---[X] Royal Expedite [-30 Karak Ungor Favor]
---[X] Royal Expedite x2 [-30 Karak Ungor Favor]
--[X] Royal Authority Order: T4 Lightning Oriented upgrade to Stonehorn Horns [-15 Kraka Krum Favor]

[X] Plan: Go all Out
-[X] [Simple] Gronti-Bay: [Cost: any 2 actions] Peerless Production will proc.
--[X] Hirelings: [Cost 5 Favour with Kraka Drakk] x7. -35 Kraka Drakk Favor
--[X] [Location:] Overtop the Anvil of the Earth: +3 actions to Gronti-Bay.
--[X] [Scope:] Dedicated General Facility. +2 actions to Gronti-Bay.
--[X] [Runes:] Do Both. +3 actions to Skaudardrengi.

[X] [Social:] Tholinn being forced to endure social interaction with others.
[X] [Social:] Nain talking to other Runesmiths about his work expanding the lift.

[X] [Letters:] Knowledge about Phoenix King Bel Shanaar [Standard]

[X] [Grimgal:] Accept.
 
[X] Plan: Glorious Vision, Help Ornsmotek and Support Grimgal
[X] Plan: A Crack In The Consternation (Turn 58)

Skaud Vote:
[X] Plan: Go all Out
-[X] [Simple] Gronti-Bay: [Cost: any 2 actions] Peerless Production will proc.
--[X] Hirelings: [Cost 5 Favour with Kraka Drakk] x7. -35 Kraka Drakk Favor
--[X] [Location:] Overtop the Anvil of the Earth: +3 actions to Gronti-Bay.
--[X] [Scope:] Dedicated General Facility. +2 actions to Gronti-Bay.
--[X] [Runes:] Do Both. +3 actions to Skaudardrengi.
Don't forget the Social, Letters, and Grimgal choice :D.
 
[X] Plan: Glorious Vision, Help Ornsmotek and Support Grimgal
Prefer to look at Thungi's Ham sooner rather than later, maybe we could even have a class / exhibition of it in Khazagar.

[X] [Social:] Dreng dueling the Hearth Guard in a friendly spar.
[X] [Social:] Nain talking to other Runesmiths about his work expanding the lift.
Excited to see more about Nain's new infra passion.

[X] [Letters:] Knowledge about Prince Laequalys of House Wilderwood [Extensive]
Want to see another perspective on our Elfy boi.

[X] [Grimgal:] Accept.
DUH! CRY GRIM AND LET LOOSE THE DRAKKS OF WARRRRRRRR
 
[X] Plan: Glorious Vision, Help Ornsmotek and Support Grimgal
[X] Plan: Go all Out

[X] [Social:] Dolgi the Younger contemplating his future prospects.
[X] [Social:] Nain talking to other Runesmiths about his work expanding the lift.

[X] [Grimgal:] Accept.
 
We need a facility, that comes at a cost and if that cost is complete and total secrecy, fine. There's still quite a bit of secrecy to go around.
Speaking of secrecy, is it possible to have the facility's exterior blend in with the environment? We can still be a bit fancy with the doors if we stack multiple [Runes of the Hidden Door].

Not necessarily. Large structures can be prefabricated in parts and assembled on site.
That or we could use an MCG (Mobile Construction Gronti).
 
[X] Plan: Glorious Vision, Help Ornsmotek and Support Grimgal
[X] Plan: A Crack In The Consternation (Turn 58)
[X] [Social:] Dreng dueling the Hearth Guard in a friendly spar.
[X] [Social:] Nain talking to other Runesmiths about his work expanding the lift.
[X] [Letters:] Knowledge about Prince Laequalys of House Wilderwood [Extensive]
[X] [Grimgal:] Accept.

I super hope Dreng Social wins
 
Not necessarily. Large structures can be prefabricated in parts and assembled on site.
if it requires a structural rune, i don't think we can move it once the rune is inscribed.
hence the mobile, runewise, qualifier.

which is kinda important, since the facility is for doing rune work for big shit. and the runes we are gonna put in it are, irrelevant of where we put it, going to be with that in mind.
 
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[X] Plan: Glorious Vision, Help Ornsmotek and Support Grimgal
[X] Plan: Go all Out


[X] [Social:] Tholinn being forced to endure social interaction with others.
[X] [Social:] Nain talking to other Runesmiths about his work expanding the lift.
Thinking about I want to see Nain work and does work well with Tholinn being forced to social othrs.

Myrion: Choose 1 outside of Plan Vote.
[X] [Letters:] Knowledge about Phoenix King Bel Shanaar [Standard]

Grimgal wishes to join the Throng of Kraka Drakk when they march with the High King and Prince Malekith
[X] [Grimgal:] Accept.
 
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[X] [Social:] Tholinn being forced to endure social interaction with others.
[X] [Social:] Nain talking to other Runesmiths about his work expanding the lift.
So uh, with Soul's blessing I'd just like to say for the record that if my social vote wins I will Put My Back into making a Guzazi Zhuf tier omake.
 
[X] Plan: Glorious Vision, Help Ornsmotek and Support Grimgal
[X] Plan: A Crack In The Consternation (Turn 58)

[X] [Social:] Nain talking to other Runesmiths about his work expanding the lift.
[X] [Social:] Dolgi gifting Ironwing and his mate new sets of armour on their anniversary.
[X] [Letters:] Knowledge about Phoenix King Bel Shanaar [Standard]
[X] [Grimgal:] Accept.
 
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