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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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I don't know if Boney had already answered this, but won't the elves get mad if we copy the information from their Library and then make it public domain? Iirc they technically agreed to grant only us the access.

Also what are the odds we can get Mathilde to invent the Dewey decimal....somehow.
 
Darth. said:
I don't know if Boney had already answered this, but won't the elves get mad if we copy the information from their Library and then make it public domain? Iirc they technically agreed to grant only us the access.
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To their perspective all of that is already public domain, in that the entire public can walk into the Library of Mournings and read those books. The outside world isn't really something that factors into their way of thinking.
 
Rafin said:
In what way are Vampires not human?
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You're serious?

[X] [LIBRARY] Library of Mournings: name two non-magical topics to hire Cityborn scribes to copy all available Laurelorn books on.
-[X] Eonir of Laurelorn
-[X] Geography of Laurelorn
[X] PURCHASE] +1 Patron Gods of Laurelorn: Asuryan, Isha, Vaul, Hoeth, Hekarti. (250g)
 
[X] [LIBRARY] Library of Mournings: name two non-magical topics to hire Cityborn scribes to copy all available Laurelorn books on.
-[X] Eonir of Laurelorn
-[X] Geography of Laurelorn

[X] [PURCHASE] +1 Laurelorn books on Asuryan, Isha, Vaul, Hoeth, Hekarti, and Loec (300 gc)
 
IronFist said:
[X] [LIBRARY] Library of Mournings: name two non-magical topics to hire Cityborn scribes to copy all available Laurelorn books on.
-[X] Eonir of Laurelorn
-[X] Weaving Spider silk

Because we know what it's important :V
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That actually might be brilliant. I don't know what road block We silk has been facing, but we know the elves sometimes make spider silk. They might have some insight.

[X] [LIBRARY] Library of Mournings: name two non-magical topics to hire Cityborn scribes to copy all available Laurelorn books on.
-[X] Eonir of Laurelorn
-[X] Weaving Spider silk

I do feel like it should come under some bigger topic though.
 
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It's also an incentive to get other people of K8p into the library, solves a tricky problem for k8p and kick-starts the money machine.
And of course, those BEDSHEETS
 
I think this is the most we've ever gotten on elf spider weaving.

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Belegar grasps it first, his eyes locking on the square of fabric as he starts to calculate. Princess Edda slides the fabric over to him and he examines it carefully. "The Elves are said to muck about in spidersilk, but that's some damn-fool business with thousands of regular-size ones. But these..."

"The individual strands are as fine as that of normal spiders, they just use more of them," you say. "They've got different types for different purposes. That silk comes from the Egg-Layer, the Web-Weavers produce a different type that would make an amazing rope, and the silk of the Hunters could be made into excellent armour. Light as cloth, strong as chain." One doesn't make a claim like that in front of a crowd of Dwarves without being able to back it up, and you produce a significantly larger sample that Maximilian's inexpert fingers managed to weave into something resembling fabric. Eyes go from Belegar's Ironhammer, to your Branulhune, to Dreng's runic hammer, to Prince Kazrik's axe bearing runes of his own creation, to Prince Gotri's delicate engineering hammer, and Princess Edda sighs, turns demurely away, and retrieves a small axe from somewhere under the numerous layers of clothing Dwarves habitually wore. She removes the leather cover from the blade and in a surprisingly savage overhand swing gives the silk her best shot, and the crack that reverberates around the room and the ping of ricocheting stone reveal that in a fight between Dwarven steel and spider-silk, the loser was the table.
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Though of course Belegar is hardly an authority on the issue. That being said there does appear to be at least some probable overlap in regards to the material. So it might indeed be useful depending on where the roadblock is hitting.
 
[X] [LIBRARY] Library of Mournings: name two non-magical topics to hire Cityborn scribes to copy all available Laurelorn books on.
-[X] Eonir of Laurelorn
-[X] Weaving Spider silk
 
At the end of the day out main job is not to have a cartload of books. We would like a cartload of books certainly, we will have a cartload of books, but I think that for right now it would be nice to focus on stuff we can actually use

[X] [LIBRARY] Library of Mournings: name two non-magical topics to hire Cityborn scribes to copy all available Laurelorn books on.
-[X] Eonir of Laurelorn
-[X] Weaving Spider silk

I want those We Silk sheets. Also a major new trade good for K8P would be a nice bonus I guess.

[X] [COLLEGE] No purchase.

[X] [PURCHASE] No purchase.

We are not actually made of money and we will have to spend 2K Gold on a lab this turn.
 
Boney said:
Magic, Divinity, Natural Science, Social Science, Applied Science.
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I decided to divide Mathilda's current collection by these five categories to see what we actually have on the topic at the moment; hopefully that'll let us see some gaps.

MAGIC:
Aethyr - The Warp +2 - Extensive
Sevir - The Winds of Magic +7 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Dwarven
Qhaysh - High Magic +2 - Extensive Imperial
Ghyran - Life Magic +2 - Extensive Imperial
Shyish - Death Magic +2 - Extensive Imperial
Ghur - Beast Magic +2 - Extensive Imperial
Chamon - Metal Magic +2 - Extensive Imperial
Aqshy - Fire Magic +2 - Extensive Imperial
Azyr - Celestial Magic +2 - Extensive Imperial
Hysh - Light Magic +2 - Extensive Imperial
Ulgu - Shadow Magic +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial
Divine Magic +4 - Extensive and Antiquarian Imperial
Enchantment +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial
Familiars +2 - Extensive Imperial
Chaos Sorcery +4 - Extensive Imperial / Extensive Dwarven
Necromancy +2 - Extensive Imperial
Waaagh Magic +4 - Extensive Imperial / Extensive Dwarven
Skaven Warp Magic +4 - Extensive Imperial / Extensive Dwarven
Warpstone +9 - Extensive Dwarven & Imperial / Extensive and Esoteric Skaven
Rune Magic +2 - Extensive Imperial
Power Stones +2 - Extensive Imperial
Waystones and Henges +10 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven

The big gaps I'm seeing here are rituals, alchemy and potion making. Also debatable as to whether "Daemons +4 - Extensive Imperial / Extensive Dwarven" falls into this section, as well as whether "Divine Magic +4 - Extensive and Antiquarian Imperial" should go in Divinity instead. Actually, yeah, I'll pop it over there instead.

DIVINITY
Ulric, God of Winter and Wolves +2 - Extensive Imperial
Morr, God of Death and Dreams +2 - Extensive Imperial
Ranald, God of Trickery and Thieves +7 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Bretonnian
Grungni +1 - Dwarven
Valaya +1 - Dwarven
Grimnir +1 - Dwarven
Thungni +1 - Dwarven
Smednir +1 - Dwarven
Morgrim +1 - Dwarven
Gazul +1 - Dwarven
Divine Magic +4 - Extensive and Antiquarian Imperial

Okay, this section is kinda bare—we need books on the Northern pantheon, the Classical pantheon, the Cadai and the Cytharai, the Kislevian pantheon, the Lady, the Halfling pantheon, and the gods of Nehekhara. Possibly also "safe" texts on the Chaos gods? Eventually we'll want to expand into Gork and Mork, the Great Maw, the Horned Rat etc as well.

... Also, we have extensive Bretonnian literature on Ranald? Huh, interesting.

NATURAL SCIENCE
Arthropods +7 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Dwarven
Canines +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial
Dragons +8 - Extensive Imperial / Extensive Bretonnian / Extensive and Antiquarian Dwarven
Rodents and Mustelids +5 - Imperial / Extensive and Antiquarian Skaven
Natural Toxins +7 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Dwarven
Geography +2 - Extensive Dwarven
Cathay +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Cathayan (T)
The Chaos Wastes +8 - Extensive and Antiquarian Imperial / Extensive and Antiquarian Dwarven
The Dark Lands +7 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Dwarven
Dragon Isles +1 - Dwarven
The Great Steppes +4 - Extensive Imperial / Extensive Dwarven
Mountains of Mourn +3 - Imperial / Extensive Dwarven
The Old World +2 - Extensive Dwarven
Anatomy +9 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Bretonnian / Extensive Dwarven
Chemistry +2 - Extensive Dwarven

Mostly geography books here, with a small amount of zoology. Botany is high on the list to get, and texts on Physics and Maths would also be useful here. Anatomy might fall under "medicine" in Applied Science. Chemistry also straddles the boarder between Natural Science and Applied Science. The Cathay books are exclusively on geography, that's why they are here and not in Social Science.

SOCIAL SCIENCE
The Empire of Man +7 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Dwarven
The Eonir of Laurelorn +10 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven
The Karaz Ankor +12 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Bretonnian / Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven
The Kingdom of Kislev +9 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive and Antiquarian Dwarven
The Ten Kingdoms of Ulthuan +2 - Extensive Dwarven
The We +1 - Imperial
Linguistics +11 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Bretonnian / Extensive and Antiquarian Dwarven
Trade +7 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Dwarven
Beastmen +6 - Extensive Imperial / Extensive and Antiquarian Dwarven
Chaos Dwarves +8 - Extensive Imperial / Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven / Skaven (Only Esoteric)
Daemons +4 - Extensive Imperial / Extensive Dwarven
Greenskins +9 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Bretonnian / Extensive Dwarven
Hobgoblin Khanates +4 - Extensive Imperial / Extensive Dwarven
Marauder Tribes +4 - Extensive Imperial / Extensive Dwarven
Ogre Kingdoms +4 - Imperial / Extensive and Obscure Dwarven
Skaven +13 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Bretonnian / Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven / Skaven
Undead +7 - Extensive and Obscure Imperial / Extensive Bretonnian / Extensive Dwarven
Vampires +6 - Extensive Imperial / Extensive Bretonnian / Extensive Dwarven

This is a fairly well rounded section. Missing stuff on Bretonnia, Tilea and Estalia, Halflings, Norsca, the New World, the Far East, but we can build those up later. Art History and Literary Criticism would go nicely in here, but that's not urgent. Possibly a Biography section as well?

APPLIED SCIENCE
Agriculture +2 - Extensive Dwarven
Anatomy +9 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Bretonnian / Extensive Dwarven
Architecture +2 - Extensive Dwarven
Chemistry +2 - Extensive Dwarven
Engineering +14 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Bretonnian / Extensive Dwarven / Extensive and Esoteric Skaven (T)
Greatswords +7 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Brettonian
Logistics +1 - Skaven
Tactics +1 - Skaven

Look at that beautiful +14 Engineering bonus. Now look at the Branch Collage of the Nuln Collage of Engineering located next door. Now look at me. I'm on a steam horse.

Medicine is a big gap here—we have a good amount on Anatomy, but we can really go ham and expand that. Art and Craftsmanship would be good here as well—texts on smithing (black, silver, gold), carpentry and joinery, masonry (might fall under architecture), cooking, animal husbandry etc.

FICTION
Romance +9 - Extensive Imperial / Bretonnian / Dwarven / Extensive Druchii / Extensive and Obscure Skaven
Overly Vulgar Romance +3 - Druchii / Extensive Skaven

We're not a fiction library, and honestly, I'm not sure what fiction categories would even exist. Fantasy and Sci-fi wouldn't be recognised, there would be no childrens/YA stuff etc.

Romance, Tragedy and Comedy, maybe? Eh, that's a problem for future Mathilde.



Anyway, library vote:

I'm thinking we want to talk to our friends in Barak Varr for texts on Old World faiths, Medicine and... hmm, would a general "tradecraft" category be appropriate, or would it be best to divide by discipline—Blacksmithing, jam making, coopering etc?

Tentative vote:

[X] [LIBRARY] Barak Varr booksellers: Faiths of the Old World, Medicine, Tradecraft
 
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@Boney I'm mildly interested on the topic of "great books". AKA books that are incredibly notable due to their cultural importance rather than any supernatural power they have, and whether you'd record them separately if we get them or if they're lumped in under general headings.

The books I'm thinking of are: Of course the Dammaz Kron, but also the Bellona Myrmidia and the Book of Days if we ever manage to secure something with the Library of Hoeth one day. I don't think the Bellona Myrmidia is quite as "rare" as the other two books, but I'm quite certain it's just as culturally important to Tileans and Estalians.
 
Boney said:
Magic, Divinity, Natural Science, Social Science, Applied Science. You toy with the idea of applying the theme across the board, but Divine Science seems like it might be a controversial heading and Magical Science implies the study of all the headings it would contain, some of which you are bound by the Articles not to do. You might need to add more sections in the future - Fiction, perhaps - but those five seem like they would neatly encompass the earliest additions.
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Huh. So it seems Mathy is developing a proto form of Universal Decimal Categorisarion, which I learned sometime in primary school and still remember it exists even though I have never used it :)
 
Codex said:
@Boney I'm mildly interested on the topic of "great books". AKA books that are incredibly notable due to their cultural importance rather than any supernatural power they have, and whether you'd record them separately if we get them or if they're lumped in under general headings.

The books I'm thinking of are: Of course the Dammaz Kron, but also the Bellona Myrmidia and the Book of Days if we ever manage to secure something with the Library of Hoeth one day. I don't think the Bellona Myrmidia is quite as "rare" as the other two books, but I'm quite certain it's just as culturally important to Tileans and Estalians.
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The Dammaz Kron is a living document, so making a copy of it that would quickly become false wouldn't be acceptable to the Dwarves. The Bellona Myrmidia is one of the holy texts of the Cult of Myrmidia, so it or a translation of it would be part of the basic level of Her section, along with Bellum Strategia and the Book of War, so unless Mathilde acquires a copy that's distinct in some way it wouldn't qualify. But yes, the Book of Days would count as a notable tome that I'd track separately, it'd go with the Modest Treatise that Mathilde already has. And the Liber Mortis, of course. It won't technically be in the library but Mathilde can still think of it as being a part of it and making it all the more special.

Chopak said:
Huh. So it seems Mathy is developing a proto form of Universal Decimal Categorisarion, which I learned sometime in primary school and still remember it exists even though I have never used it :)
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UDC would be a bit advanced for the setting. What Mathilde ended up at is loosely based on an earlier system from Advice on Establishing a Library by Gabriel Naude, published in 1627.
 
Let's see if can get the looms weaving.

[X] [LIBRARY] Library of Mournings: name two non-magical topics to hire Cityborn scribes to copy all available Laurelorn books on.
-[X] Eonir of Laurelorn
-[X] Weaving Spider silk

[X] [PURCHASE] No purchase
[X] [COLLEGE] No purchase.

[X] [DWARF] Runed pistols

(Which translates into 'Textiles', per Boney)
Boney said:
from Advice on Establishing a Library by Gabriel Naude, published in 1627.
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Wow. Quest-reading, or prior knowledge?
 
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[X] [LIBRARY] Library of Mournings: name two non-magical topics to hire Cityborn scribes to copy all available Laurelorn books on.
-[X] Eonir of Laurelorn
-[X] Weaving Spider silk

[X] [COLLEGE] No purchase.

[X] [PURCHASE] No purchase.
 
Boney said:
The Dammaz Kron is a living document, so making a copy of it that would quickly become false wouldn't be acceptable to the Dwarves. The Bellona Myrmidia is one of the holy texts of the Cult of Myrmidia, so it or a translation of it would be part of the basic level of Her section, along with Bellum Strategia and the Book of War, so unless Mathilde acquires a copy that's distinct in some way it wouldn't qualify. But yes, the Book of Days would count as a notable tome that I'd track separately, it'd go with the Modest Treatise that Mathilde already has. And the Liber Mortis, of course. It won't technically be in the library but Mathilde can still think of it as being a part of it and making it all the more special.



UDC would be a bit advanced for the setting. What Mathilde ended up at is loosely based on an earlier system from Advice on Establishing a Library by Gabriel Naude, published in 1627.
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I think the political dimensions of actively maintaining a copy of the Dammaz Kron in Eight Peaks would be tantamount to throwing down a challenge to the High King as well.
 
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[X] [LIBRARY] Barak Varr booksellers: Faiths of the Old World, Medicine, Tradecraft
[X] [DWARF] Runed pistols
 
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[X] [LIBRARY] Library of Mournings: name two non-magical topics to hire Cityborn scribes to copy all available Laurelorn books on.
-[X] Eonir of Laurelorn
-[X] Weaving Spider silk

[X] [PURCHASE] +1 Eonir: Loec. (50g)
[X] [COLLEGE] No purchase.
 
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Boney said:
UDC would be a bit advanced for the setting. What Mathilde ended up at is loosely based on an earlier system from Advice on Establishing a Library by Gabriel Naude, published in 1627.
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Boney: I'm a Bazar GM not a Cathedral one, planning out in incredible detail just doesn't do it for me.
Also Boney: Yes I read manuals from the seventeenth century to come up with a historically accurate library catgorisation system.
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On the topic of other purchases:

We have 4761 gold crowns (after converting the coins and the ducats) and 10 collage favour.

We need 2000 gold crowns for the lab space, and we need a floating 2000 gold coins (which converts to 2600 gold crowns, I think?) in case Borek tries to claim his money back. That leaves us with... almost nothing to spend. Unless we ignore the debt.

... I can't see it anywhere, but will the library purchases cost us anything, or is this coming out of Belegar's pocket?

People have been talking about rune guns, but I haven't been following that conversation so I'm going to stay out of it for now. If someone comes up with a cool idea though, I'll probably vote for it.

So college stuff. I'm quite interested in rituals, so grabbing some books on the topic might be good, but I guess it's not super urgent, so I'm happy to sit on it for a few turns. Also, as I pointed out above some texts on alchemy and potion making would help round out our magic section, but honestly, we can wait. No need to spend anything just yet.
 
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