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[X] [LIBRARY] Library of Mournings: name two non-magical topics to hire Cityborn scribes to copy all available Laurelorn books on.
-[X] Eonir of Laurelorn
-[X] Eonir perspective of History of the Old world.

They probably don't have the most up to date stuff, but on the other hand, they probably have old stuff that no one else does.

History (Old World) (2/3)

let's try and hit the big 30 in learning.
 
I think Daemons would fall under Divinity.


There is no one in this thread who could believe magic is a perfect substitute for ranged weaponry, not after seeing Mathilde use her guns in lieu of magic so recently, in the Dum expedition. Similarly, there is no one who objects to runed guns on a monetary ground because that has no gold cost whatsoever: before the Dum expedition, it had only ever had a favour cost, and now it costs nothing. Finally, I cannot seriously believe the weakness of gun runes specifically when compared to crossbow runes has anything but negligible sway over people's minds, given how the AP cost of training with crossbows means we'll never get one.

I do see how the lure of enchanting our own guns could sway people though.


There's also the various 2e books that are set in the universe, like the Old World Bestiary and the Tome of Salvation.
Old World Bestiary is Perilous Beasts in universe, I already included that.

Tome of Salvation is the book I mentioned Hieronymus of Nuln wrote for Karl Franz. Except, here's the thing: that's only a section of his book, as it is a "brief history of the cults of the Empire". There's more in that book. It's probably not been written yet, but I think Hieronymus still lives right now. He's a pretty great scholar so I hope he'd be interested in our library eventually.
 
[X] [LIBRARY] Library of Mournings: name two non-magical topics to hire Cityborn scribes to copy all available Laurelorn books on.
-[X] Eonir of Laurelorn
-[X] Weaving Spider silk
 
I think we build the place to get Belegar to pay for out books purchases and then to put all those purchases out for all the public near and far to enjoy and to add to. As a wizard we were going to get a massive library anyway so it made sense to use our dwarf contacts to make that library safely pubic for the betterment of both the hold and the world. I do not think we have a moral obligation to buy things just for public consumption, it is our reward for a job well done.

Vala-Azril-Ungol vornit urbar kron, karakar kron, dawri afanaddokar kron. Gandar, barar un zintar grozkron gronit barazit dawri, dawi un nadawi. A great library made for and by all the good people of the world, whatever their species.

"Made for and by all the good people of the world"

It's right there in our charter.

I think this is going to be one of those things we just have to disagree on.
 
I'll preface this by saying that my memory, as ever, is quite imperfect. I might be misremembering things, conflating one thing with another, or just not forgetting things outright, and I apologize in advance for that.
There is no one in this thread who could believe magic is a perfect substitute for ranged weaponry, not after seeing Mathilde use her guns in lieu of magic so recently, in the Dum expedition.
The Dum situation meant magic being curtailed, true, but that also included magical items, such as runed weaponry, so runes on guns would have failed as well. It's an argument to maybe buy better guns, but not necessarily runed guns.
Similarly, there is no one who objects to runed guns on a monetary ground because that has no gold cost whatsoever: before the Dum expedition, it had only ever had a favour cost, and now it costs nothing.
I'll admit fault on this, I was thinking of prior proposals to purchase a rifle, dwarf or otherwise, for experiments on windherded enchantments or such.
Finally, I cannot seriously believe the weakness of gun runes specifically when compared to crossbow runes has anything but negligible sway over people's minds, given how the AP cost of training with crossbows means we'll never get one.
I might not have worded this correctly, apologies. It's not an argument for using runed crossbows over runed guns, but a statement that compared to runed crossbows, runed guns are lacking bang for buck, if you excuse the pun. The reason for this comparison is that, at the moment, runed crossbows are the closest comparison to what an enchanted gun might be able to do. Runed guns let you hit harder, to be sure, but they don't shoot flaming bullets or include other effects that runed crossbows, or enchanted guns, might have.
 
I can't divine the intentions of every person who voted for the library, but I did not make the library for Mathilde's benefit. I didn't even think of making the library so we can subsidise the costs under Belegar's dime. I wanted to make the library for the greater good and because I thought it would fit Mathilde's characterisation to do that as well.

I do want the books to benefit Mathilde yeah, but I also don't see why we shouldn't buy books for the public good rather than what we personally benefit from.
 
I can't divine the intentions of every person who voted for the library, but I did not make the library for Mathilde's benefit. I didn't even think of making the library so we can subsidise the costs under Belegar's dime. I wanted to make the library for the greater good and because I thought it would fit Mathilde's characterisation to do that as well.

I do want the books to benefit Mathilde yeah, but I also don't see why we shouldn't buy books for the public good rather than what we personally benefit from.

The very fact that we are putting our massive collection, bought in no small part out of pocket, is already for the greater good. I just do not think 'the greater good' should underline every single decision regarding the library,m especially since for its purposes all books are good books.
 
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[X] [LIBRARY] Library of Mournings: name two non-magical topics to hire Cityborn scribes to copy all available Laurelorn books on.
-[X] Eonir of Laurelorn
-[X] Eonir perspective of History of the Old world.

They probably don't have the most up to date stuff, but on the other hand, they probably have old stuff that no one else does.

These two options combined would fully encompass Eonir perspective of history in the Old World.
-[*] Eonir of Laurelorn
-[*] Karaz Ankor

This is the topic you're after.

That's geography.
 
These two options combined would fully encompass Eonir perspective of history in the Old World.
-[*] Eonir of Laurelorn
-[*] Karaz Ankor
This is lowkey sad. I know their isolationism has been entirely their own self-imposed choice, but the post still conjures images of the Eonir being unable to explore or participate in the rest of the continent because they're boxed in by the Empire.

I'll preface this by saying that my memory, as ever, is quite imperfect. I might be misremembering things, conflating one thing with another, or just not forgetting things outright, and I apologize in advance for that.
You won't see me throwing stones about having faulty memory about what was or wasn't said in this thread.
 
I'm trying to make a timeline of all the prominent figures that are active at the moment. For now, I want to ask a question about Mallus Darkblade.

Does anyone know when he was bound with Tz'arkan and what year he had to make the full journey to "free" his soul? And when he became Drachau of Hag Graef?
 
[X] [LIBRARY] Library of Mournings: name two non-magical topics to hire Cityborn scribes to copy all available Laurelorn books on.
-[X] Eonir of Laurelorn
-[X] Weaving Spider silk


Incidently rather buying guns I would like to do our backup dancer apparation option for instant cavalary charge.

 
@Boney, can we buy books out of pocket alongside the standard book purchase choices? If so, how do you format the vote to include the out-of-pocket purchases?
 
[X] [LIBRARY] Back-fill
[X] [LIBRARY] Barak Varr booksellers: Faiths of the Old World, Medicine, Tradecraft

Back fil seems like a good, neutral option, and it has a decent amount of votes at the moment.
 
Yeah, Order makes for the most straightforward layout: huge halls full of very large bookcases full of carefully-sorted books, with room enough to expand so you don't need to start saying 'the rest of this section is in room 17b in the opposite wing'. All of Mathilde's effort and attention will go into making sure there's a sensible, scalable, all-encompassing system. And the architects and masons can't really contribute to that process, apart from carving out the space it's going to live in. They would have been on screen a bunch more for the other options, which would have had different and more complicated architectural requirements.
Wait, if all the effort is Mathilde's and the architects can't do mich about it, how can the amount of Order get into "unreasonable" proportions even to Dwarven standards? Mathilde is a lot, but an organizatorial genius librarian she is not. Now I feel like we made the wrong choice here.
 
Wait, if all the effort is Mathilde's and the architects can't do mich about it, how can the amount of Order get into "unreasonable" proportions even to Dwarven standards? Mathilde is a lot, but an organizatorial genius librarian she is not. Now I feel like we made the wrong choice here.

Well the layout is straightforward, any of the other options would have had to compromise that for some other purpose. They would have worked more to make worse organization in exchange for better something else.
 
Wait, if all the effort is Mathilde's and the architects can't do mich about it, how can the amount of Order get into "unreasonable" proportions even to Dwarven standards? Mathilde is a lot, but an organizatorial genius librarian she is not. Now I feel like we made the wrong choice here.

It is day one of construction. It is a little early to be declaring that the library has failed to fulfil its primary principle. Do your best to scrape together a glimmer of faith in me as a QM and reserve judgement a little longer.
 
[X] [LIBRARY] Library of Mournings: name two non-magical topics to hire Cityborn scribes to copy all available Laurelorn books on.
-[X] Eonir of Laurelorn
-[X] Weaving Spider silk
 
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