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come on down to meguca w/o borders
we got so many meguca we decided that borders are dumb
except for kuby, who is butt and not allowed

But seriously, both Magia Union and Möbius Coalition are good. I think Magia Union is nice for being more descriptive, while being more interesting than MSK. I like the continuity of Möbius with White Ribbon. Also, I like that logo you made slightly more. Then again, I'm a little biased, since my avatar is kind of a Möbius strip.
 
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Taskforce 29
Section 10 (GITS)
Puella Magi Administration School
Meguca Union (inflict brain damage)
Mobius Core
Magi Fortress

I am terrible at names.
 
For consideration I submit:

"Majutsu Roso" Which translates to <Mage's (labor) union.>

Explains the nature and intent of the thing quite well.

Can be left on its own or be paired with city and city and region names. Not sure where that would fit, as it alliterates to combine excellently with "Mitakihara," less so with other cities or "Tohoku."
 
We can use Majutsu Roso and Magia Union interchangeably, I think. Magia Union makes more sense for an international context given the ubiquity of English, though.
 
I'm going to be completely honest.

MSK is the answer, here, and has been since its suggestion. Full stop.

Let's all do each other a favor. Let's pick a name that makes sense, and will continue to make sense a hundred years later.

We're not going anywhere. Our status quo, however, will change dramatically.

"System Breakers", is not in fact "obvious." It's a shortsighted choice aimed at the near future IC. It will cease making sense the moment it replaces the system we seek to break.

"Mitakihara Anything", is not acceptable. Honestly, neither is "Japan Anything" or even "Asia Anything", because this isn't about being an organization for the benefit of a single *place.*

For the same reasons, "Tohoku Anything" is not okay. It is my fervent hope that our new, Vietnamese contacts in Southeast Asia will drive home this point.

Joke names. Also not okay. We are talking about an organization which will essentially be assuming primary responsibility for production, distribution, oversight, and research of cleansing, which in any sane world is critical and somewhere between a medicine and a food. The Red Cross isn't a joke name. Nobody laughs them off and ends up dead or worse as a result. I should hope everyone will approach this vote for naming what absolutely will be in no small part a worldwide humanitarian organization with the same level of seriousness.

That leaves us with serious names that don't reference places. I will add another caution: it is best we avoid anything that could sound like a movie villain's organization. Orion Anything falls under that rule. So does Mobius. Another caution: don't overreach. TSAB is not a name we can really lay claim to, we do not in fact administer time and space, nor do we have any clear idea of how we could start. Silver Millennium will feel silly after the first thousand years go by, although I concede that's much less of a mark against it than most of these other things have had.

The way to go here is a name that a hapless meguca in a backwater can hear in passing and go, "I think these people might be able to help me." The way to go is a name that will help people believe we're not going away. The way to go is a name that will make people think, "This is something different. This is something new." Chuuni bullshit is everywhere in the lives of meguca, I guarantee it. Fancy nonsense is not going to be new. It's not going to sound particularly trustworthy. It's not going to stand out until after we make it do so.

MSK, Mages' Association -- however bland they may seem, the typical dramatics of meguca life actually make them stand out. I came down hard on the side of MSK the instant I saw it, and I'll tell you why, because it's really. Fucking. Simple.

For the entire history of Humankind. There has never been an organization which could claim to be for all meguca.

How do I know that? Grief economics 101, it's not in question.

That is what we want to be, it is how we want people to see us. This is an organization for meguca. Which meguca? Not Mitakihara meguca. Not Tohoku meguca. Not Japanese meguca. Not Asian meguca. All meguca. Are you desperate? Are you in danger? We are here to help you. Period.

I am willing and ready to write more about this. This is the name. Period. Full stop. Toying with fun notions is fun. But MSK is the name to actually vote in as Sabrina's proposal.

The Phoenixian said:
"Majutsu Roso" Which translates to <Mage's (labor) union.>
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The "labor" in that translation isn't parenthesised. If you're Japanese and you hear that, you are asking why the fuck anyone would start a labor union for meguca. "Roso" is literally two kanji and the first one is labor. So. Yeah.
 
"Now that we have gone over old business, we open the floor of MU Local 1 for motions for new business."
"Madam President. I move that we break for recess to hug our oujos."
"I would like to do that too! ... I mean, Madam President, I second that motion."
"It has been moved and seconded that we are to break for oujo hugging time. Are there any objections?"
"C'mon Sabrina. You make a motion to hug Mami at almost every meeting."
 
Kaizuki said:
"System Breakers", is not in fact "obvious." It's a shortsighted choice aimed at the near future IC. It will cease making sense the moment it replaces the system we seek to break.
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Obvious as in being the name of the quest.

As for it replacing the system, given that it's referring to the Incubators' system, I'm okay with needing to rename things after we hit the point where we've successfully dealt with the Type IV civilization that's a meaningful threat to God. I feel like plans focusing overmuch on after that point is putting the cart before the horse.
 
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I like Magia Union more for all the reasons Kaizuki says MSK is the only good choice. It has slightly more character than MSK, but none of the bad kinds of character listed. "Union" just implies a more horizontal kind of organization than "organization" does.
 
I follow Kaizuki's reasoning, but I'm gonna back Torgamous here and pick Magia Union. It's just plain better at achieving the effect of "magic here!" than MSK, which is Japanese, a boring acronym and also a mouthful if you say the full thing.
 
Torgamous said:
I like Magia Union more for all the reasons Kaizuki says MSK is the only good choice. It has slightly more character than MSK, but none of the bad kinds of character listed. "Union" just implies a more horizontal kind of organization than "organization" does.
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I have no issue with that. It's not different. There's a whole list of functionally identical names there: magia association, alliance, union, organization, etcetera.

But MSK does not directly mean "Mages' Organization" or... Well, I assume you're translating it as that. Kyoukai is a composite of two Kanji most generally interpreted as "Cooperate" and "Meet". It can be translated to anything from association to organization. Association is my preference by far for exactly the reason you stated.

I do take issue with retranslating "Union" as "Roso", or substituting "Magic" for "Mage". This isn't a labor union, and it's about the people more than the magic.
 
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Kaizuki said:
The "labor" in that translation isn't parenthesised. If you're Japanese and you hear that, you are asking why the fuck anyone would start a labor union for meguca. "Roso" is literally two kanji and the first one is labor. So. Yeah.
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Kai? Kindly consider before you speak. I know exactly what I said, and I don't appreciate being talked down to. Especially not in a way that opens back up old wounds. I would have expected you to know better than this.

Because, frankly and given how you present yourself? I'm having a hard time thinking you didn't know exactly how this would come off, and decided to do it anyways for showboating purposes.
 
Tentatively, I'd say that a labor union in Japanese characters is totally synonymous with syndicates much like in English, French and Spanish, which are defined as self-organized groups formed to pursue a shared interest. I don't know what connotations the word might otherwise have in Japanese, but it should be sound going off of the definition.

Addendum: The word itself is always invoked in business related matters, which still works, but it's not as benevolent as the less mercenary-sounding Kyoukai.
 
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Something important is being left out!

Poetry. Our members are magi, girls of great emotion. Formulaic industrial names are tired! References to other fanfic do Firn no favors, either.


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We should have Ono pick for us?
But seriously,
Title our organization such that some girl would say: "I want other people to see that next to my name, because it's awesome."
Sub Rosa metaphors are good too, as is a fine brand name for commercial society. Keep those suggestions coming, because I think Mages Association is not the final answer.
 
The Phoenixian said:
Kai? Kindly consider before you speak. I know exactly what I said, and I don't appreciate being talked down to. Especially not in a way that opens back up old wounds. I would have expected you to know better than this.

Because, frankly and given how you present yourself? I'm having a hard time thinking you didn't know exactly how this would come off, and decided to do it anyways for showboating purposes.
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I feel strongly about this subject.

I wrote a post about it.

In that post I attacked all of the various names I dislike in varying degrees based on how much I dislike them. You'll notice that "Silver Millennium" got a very mild comment -- I thought about it and actually didn't find too much wrong with it. IMO the main issue with it is that it lacks the benefits MSK or some variation thereof carries.

Many of the ideas for names which I especially dislike came originally from you. That's factual. Period. Full stop.

Parts of that post are aimed at names that could potentially arise in discussion which might be similar to names you previously proposed. Tohoku. Mitakihara. Joke names.

I did this because I view those. As terrible names. That deserve to be argued against.

When I want to argue seriously against something, I try to write persuasively. My style changes. I employ techniques designed to strengthen the argument I am making. I do this because they strengthen the argument I am making. If you want to refer to that as showboating, then... Cool. I don't really care. Showboating doesn't sound like something I shouldn't be doing, actually, considering I am trying to show everyone that my boat is the right boat to be in.

Oh, maybe I'm starting to understand. You're asserting that I quoted your post and attacked what you'd written as a means to promote what I want, rather than doing something else. And "don't talk down to me" is some euphemism for "don't tell me what the thing I wrote means."

That'd be a big no. I don't like the name in that post and I'm attacking it because I think it's bad. I'm completely down to attack it some more in different, original ways if you'd like me to. I'm not interested in telling you what the thing you wrote means, but I'm definitely interested in telling everyone else, because I don't like what you wrote and I don't want to see it in PMAS.

I don't have anything against you. But I care about this quest a lot, and this is a topic I feel strongly on. If you have some specific aspect of my writing that you don't appreciate, how about you tell me exactly what it is and help me understand how to... Not avoid using that aspect of my writing, necessarily, but avoid having it be hurtful to you. Because I'm in this to argue my position, and hurting you is un fucking desirable. You're a person, not a position.

That said, I meant every word I wrote in that post and will continue to.
 
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You know what no I need a fucking insurance policy for this god damn post, because what's going to happen is Phoenixian is going to fucking read this and it's just going to trigger them more.

My take is that my actions which you are referencing were me being a backstabbing asshole because I was fucked up at the time, and that's what was wrong with them. Which is why I'm being completely up front about my motives and intentions here and posting absolutely nothing whatsoever in discord.

If that take isn't what you'd like it to be, I think you'd better start talking, because I don't remember shit in any detail past the last couple months. I'm interested in modifying my behavior to avoid hurting people. If I'm not modifying the right behavior I ain't gonna know unless I'm given indication.

Now, God willing I will go to bed an hour from now and wake up to work for eight hours.
 
On one hand, MSK sounds like the most original name out of the bunch and we can do better than copying names from existing groups.

On the other hand, Kamihama probably doesn't exist so we could totally pull a "hippity hoppity, the Magia Unions now my property".

And on the imaginary third hand, I'd by lying if I said I didn't also like The Möbius Coalition since it relates to White Ribbon (and is lowkey an Ace Combat reference).

Well, no matter what name we decide, we're going to have to run it by the rest of our group first who may have their own ideas so best to keep that in mind.
 
Yea, please do keep in mind that we have to run whatever name we pick by our group and see their reactions. They may come up with some good alternative suggestions (read: Firn may have some ideas of his own on what to put)
EDIT: what does MSK mean again?
 
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