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I think,
[] Plan Re-Armed With Apprentices
Self explanatory variation of Re-armed with Exploring

[] Plan New Apprentice
Re-Armed With Apprentices but doesn't call in Church favour
But my analysis might be wrong on some points.
Basically all plans complete Re armed and Mind research (except healing) so the difference between the plans is mostly where we want the fourth action to go.
notably, plan new apprentice also misses out on mind of things IIRC
 
I don't suppose I can tempt people away from the exploration option, and back into Arm Them again?

I've been hoping to see Snorri go big effort on the prosthetics thing, to see what would come of it, to see how people would react to it (both the Clergy of Valaya, and also the people of the Hold who'll be receiving the prosthetics) and just... Generally, I wanted to put Snorri's back into it.
 
[X] Plan A Re-armed Hold Once More

Spending a total of 3 actions on a nine action project seems too little to me. I'd be more comfortable with Snorri putting in over half the work with five actions. I don't even quite understand how it works since the stuff we had the apprentices do for it before sounds a lot like what the cult of Valaya would do.
 
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All the plans that use two apprentice actions, two Snorri actions, and calling in favors to finish Arm them will result in Snorri contributing less total work to the project than his apprentices even when factoring in the bonus work added by traits. That's shameful. (2+1)+2+3 overflows Arm Them by one - maybe spin off an apprentice action for something else?

[X] Plan A Re-armed Hold Once More, With Exploring and Apprentice Work!
-[X] Odd Places 7/10: [Cost: 1 action] Can be taken multiple times., roll for usefulness. Look on Master Yorri's map and try and discover one of his marked locations. The locations will certainly be odd, but whether they'll be useful will remain to be seen. 1 Action
-[X] [Simple] Apprentice work: [Cost: 1 apprentice action] Can be taken multiple times. Roll for usefulness. Your young charges are now of an age you feel it acceptable for them to do a bit of exploration. Send your apprentices out into the hold and pick up a few tasks from whoever offers it to them. Give them a bit of experience for their upcoming trial as journeymen and let them build a reputation in the hold. You'll of course critique their work and use it as a learning experience as any good master ought to. 1 Apprentice Action
-[X] [Simple] Arm them, Literally: [Cost: (6 +3 -2) =7 actions] Productivity Like No Other will proc. You've been intermittently making prosthetic arms and legs for the Karak's veterans in the decades since the siege. Yet more remain. Your work has been sporadic and otherwise unorganized fashion. For many this is entirely within the remit and expectations of most Runesmiths. However you are not most dwarfs, by Grungni's beard you are a Runelord and you should be able to do more than that. Most of the work will be in designing a system that lets you find the dwarfs who need replacement limbs, work to find the best possible product for them, then go about making the limbs in question. 2 Actions + 1 Apprentice Action.
--[X] Clerical Aid: [Cost: 30 Favour] Gain 3 progress. None are as experienced, and therefore respected, in the art of healing dwarfs than the Clergy and adherents of Valaya. See if they'd be interested in coming to an arrangement with you. In essence you'd be leveraging both the Cult's status and reach to find those who may be looking for a replacement limb, and use their trusted position and administrative experience to speed up the entire process of organizing the entire ordeal. Giving you more time to actually work with the clients and make the limbs in question, and giving them another way to fulfill one of Valaya's oldest strictures.
-[X] The Mind of Things Pt. 2: [Cost: (8 -7) =1 actions] Student of the Odd will proc. You can now see the rough path that Master Yorri took to get to the Rune of Prosthesis, you think at least. A bit more retracing of his steps perhaps, but figuring out what method he used to create a Rune so much more sophisticated than the regular Rune of Waking should provide a great deal of information, and a few more Runes, to work with. More than that, you wonder if there was even a possibility that you could induce actual sensation in the limbs, or even something as difficult or sight or hearing. 1 Action.

[X] Plan A Re-armed Hold with Campaigning and Apprentice Work
-[X] Campaign: [Cost: 1 action] 2 Turns remaining. Can be taken multiple times, roll for loot + ???, will add bonus to search roll. This turn: Drakkazi. Go out and aid the throng every so often during the next phase of the reclamation. Normally you're only ever really called if things have gotten serious and you're of a similar mind, but this time it seems like the beasts of the North will not bow easy to Dwarf efforts to claim it. More importantly, the sheer number of beasties gives you a chance to go hunting for things and collect their most useful parts for your Runes. 1 Action
-[X] [Simple] Apprentice work: [Cost: 1 apprentice action] Can be taken multiple times. Roll for usefulness. Your young charges are now of an age you feel it acceptable for them to do a bit of exploration. Send your apprentices out into the hold and pick up a few tasks from whoever offers it to them. Give them a bit of experience for their upcoming trial as journeymen and let them build a reputation in the hold. You'll of course critique their work and use it as a learning experience as any good master ought to. 1 Apprentice Action
-[X] [Simple] Arm them, Literally: [Cost: (6 +3 -2) =7 actions] Productivity Like No Other will proc. You've been intermittently making prosthetic arms and legs for the Karak's veterans in the decades since the siege. Yet more remain. Your work has been sporadic and otherwise unorganized fashion. For many this is entirely within the remit and expectations of most Runesmiths. However you are not most dwarfs, by Grungni's beard you are a Runelord and you should be able to do more than that. Most of the work will be in designing a system that lets you find the dwarfs who need replacement limbs, work to find the best possible product for them, then go about making the limbs in question. 2 Actions + 1 Apprentice Actions.
--[X] Clerical Aid: [Cost: 30 Favour] Gain 3 progress. None are as experienced, and therefore respected, in the art of healing dwarfs than the Clergy and adherents of Valaya. See if they'd be interested in coming to an arrangement with you. In essence you'd be leveraging both the Cult's status and reach to find those who may be looking for a replacement limb, and use their trusted position and administrative experience to speed up the entire process of organizing the entire ordeal. Giving you more time to actually work with the clients and make the limbs in question, and giving them another way to fulfill one of Valaya's oldest strictures.
-[X] The Mind of Things Pt. 2: [Cost: (8 -7) =1 actions] Student of the Odd will proc. You can now see the rough path that Master Yorri took to get to the Rune of Prosthesis, you think at least. A bit more retracing of his steps perhaps, but figuring out what method he used to create a Rune so much more sophisticated than the regular Rune of Waking should provide a great deal of information, and a few more Runes, to work with. More than that, you wonder if there was even a possibility that you could induce actual sensation in the limbs, or even something as difficult or sight or hearing. 1 Action.

[X] Plan: Both Types Of Arms, Yeeting and Apprentice Work
-[X] [Simple] Apprentice work: [Cost: 1 apprentice action] Can be taken multiple times. Roll for usefulness. 1 Apprentice Action.
-[X] [Simple] Arm them, Literally: [Cost: (6 +3 -2) =7 actions] Productivity Like No Other will proc. 2 Actions + 1 Apprentice Action.
--[X] Clerical Aid: [Cost: 30 Favour] Gain 3 progress.
-[X] The Mind of Things Pt. 2: [Cost: (8 -7) =1 actions] Student of the Odd will proc. 1 Action.
-[X] [Difficult] Write In. "Crushing Fate" Pt. 1: [Cost: 1 action] 1-handed Adamant Hammer. 1 Action.
- [X] Choose: choose three runes you want on the weapon.
--[X] Master Rune of Smiting, Rune of Might, Rune of Impact

[X] Plan: Both Types Of Arms, Thunder and Apprentice Work
-[X] [Simple] Apprentice work: [Cost: 1 apprentice action] Can be taken multiple times. Roll for usefulness. 1 Apprentice Action.
-[X] [Simple] Arm them, Literally: [Cost: (6 +3 -2) =7 actions] Productivity Like No Other will proc. 2 Actions + 1 Apprentice Action.
--[X] Clerical Aid: [Cost: 30 Favour] Gain 3 progress.
-[X] The Mind of Things Pt. 2: [Cost: (8 -7) =1 actions] Student of the Odd will proc. 1 Action.
-[X] [Difficult] Write In. "Lightning Striker" Pt. 1: [Cost: 1 action] 1-handed Adamant Hammer. 1 Action.
- [X] Choose: choose three runes you want on the weapon.
--[X] Master Rune of Thunderbolts, Rune of Might, Rune of Speed

Still approval voting for this one:

[X] Plan The Right Amount

And in case you still want overflow:

[X] Plan A Re-armed Hold Once More with Apprentice Work
-[X] [Simple] Apprentice work: [Cost: 1 apprentice action] Can be taken multiple times. Roll for usefulness. Your young charges are now of an age you feel it acceptable for them to do a bit of exploration. Send your apprentices out into the hold and pick up a few tasks from whoever offers it to them. Give them a bit of experience for their upcoming trial as journeymen and let them build a reputation in the hold. You'll of course critique their work and use it as a learning experience as any good master ought to. 1 Apprentice Action
-[X] [Simple] Arm them, Literally: [Cost: (6 +3 -2) =7 actions] Productivity Like No Other will proc. You've been intermittently making prosthetic arms and legs for the Karak's veterans in the decades since the siege. Yet more remain. Your work has been sporadic and otherwise unorganized fashion. For many this is entirely within the remit and expectations of most Runesmiths. However you are not most dwarfs, by Grungni's beard you are a Runelord and you should be able to do more than that. Most of the work will be in designing a system that lets you find the dwarfs who need replacement limbs, work to find the best possible product for them, then go about making the limbs in question. 3 Actions + 1 Apprentice Action.
--[X] Clerical Aid: [Cost: 30 Favour] Gain 3 progress. None are as experienced, and therefore respected, in the art of healing dwarfs than the Clergy and adherents of Valaya. See if they'd be interested in coming to an arrangement with you. In essence you'd be leveraging both the Cult's status and reach to find those who may be looking for a replacement limb, and use their trusted position and administrative experience to speed up the entire process of organizing the entire ordeal. Giving you more time to actually work with the clients and make the limbs in question, and giving them another way to fulfill one of Valaya's oldest strictures.
-[X] The Mind of Things Pt. 2: [Cost: (8 -7) =1 actions] Student of the Odd will proc. You can now see the rough path that Master Yorri took to get to the Rune of Prosthesis, you think at least. A bit more retracing of his steps perhaps, but figuring out what method he used to create a Rune so much more sophisticated than the regular Rune of Waking should provide a great deal of information, and a few more Runes, to work with. More than that, you wonder if there was even a possibility that you could induce actual sensation in the limbs, or even something as difficult or sight or hearing. 1 Action.

I'm not making "with Apprentice Work" versions of the plans with apprentice hunting - I'd rather wait until the current pair is off on their journeying unless another Snerra-level talent pops up.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by Aigloss on Aug 19, 2020 at 4:06 PM, finished with 112 posts and 65 votes.

  • [X] Plan A Re-armed Hold Once More, With Exploring!
    -[X] Odd Places 7/10: [Cost: 1 action] Can be taken multiple times., roll for usefulness. Look on Master Yorri's map and try and discover one of his marked locations. The locations will certainly be odd, but whether they'll be useful will remain to be seen. 1 Action
    -[X] [Simple] Arm them, Literally: [Cost: (6 +3 -2) =7 actions] Productivity Like No Other will proc. You've been intermittently making prosthetic arms and legs for the Karak's veterans in the decades since the siege. Yet more remain. Your work has been sporadic and otherwise unorganized fashion. For many this is entirely within the remit and expectations of most Runesmiths. However you are not most dwarfs, by Grungni's beard you are a Runelord and you should be able to do more than that. Most of the work will be in designing a system that lets you find the dwarfs who need replacement limbs, work to find the best possible product for them, then go about making the limbs in question. 2 Actions + 2 Apprentice Actions.
    --[X] Clerical Aid: [Cost: 30 Favour] Gain 3 progress. None are as experienced, and therefore respected, in the art of healing dwarfs than the Clergy and adherents of Valaya. See if they'd be interested in coming to an arrangement with you. In essence you'd be leveraging both the Cult's status and reach to find those who may be looking for a replacement limb, and use their trusted position and administrative experience to speed up the entire process of organizing the entire ordeal. Giving you more time to actually work with the clients and make the limbs in question, and giving them another way to fulfill one of Valaya's oldest strictures.
    -[X] The Mind of Things Pt. 2: [Cost: (8 -7) =1 actions] Student of the Odd will proc. You can now see the rough path that Master Yorri took to get to the Rune of Prosthesis, you think at least. A bit more retracing of his steps perhaps, but figuring out what method he used to create a Rune so much more sophisticated than the regular Rune of Waking should provide a great deal of information, and a few more Runes, to work with. More than that, you wonder if there was even a possibility that you could induce actual sensation in the limbs, or even something as difficult or sight or hearing. 1 Action.
    [X] Plan A Re-armed Hold Once More
    -[X] [Simple] Arm them, Literally: [Cost: (6 +3 -2) =7 actions] Productivity Like No Other will proc. You've been intermittently making prosthetic arms and legs for the Karak's veterans in the decades since the siege. Yet more remain. Your work has been sporadic and otherwise unorganized fashion. For many this is entirely within the remit and expectations of most Runesmiths. However you are not most dwarfs, by Grungni's beard you are a Runelord and you should be able to do more than that. Most of the work will be in designing a system that lets you find the dwarfs who need replacement limbs, work to find the best possible product for them, then go about making the limbs in question. 3 Actions + 2 Apprentice Actions.
    --[X] Clerical Aid: [Cost: 30 Favour] Gain 3 progress. None are as experienced, and therefore respected, in the art of healing dwarfs than the Clergy and adherents of Valaya. See if they'd be interested in coming to an arrangement with you. In essence you'd be leveraging both the Cult's status and reach to find those who may be looking for a replacement limb, and use their trusted position and administrative experience to speed up the entire process of organizing the entire ordeal. Giving you more time to actually work with the clients and make the limbs in question, and giving them another way to fulfill one of Valaya's oldest strictures.
    -[X] The Mind of Things Pt. 2: [Cost: (8 -7) =1 actions] Student of the Odd will proc. You can now see the rough path that Master Yorri took to get to the Rune of Prosthesis, you think at least. A bit more retracing of his steps perhaps, but figuring out what method he used to create a Rune so much more sophisticated than the regular Rune of Waking should provide a great deal of information, and a few more Runes, to work with. More than that, you wonder if there was even a possibility that you could induce actual sensation in the limbs, or even something as difficult or sight or hearing. 1 Action.
    [X] Plan Healing for the Dawi
    [X] Plan The Right Amount
    -[X] [Simple] Arm them, Literally: [Cost: (6 +3 -2) =7 actions] Productivity Like No Other will proc. You've been intermittently making prosthetic arms and legs for the Karak's veterans in the decades since the siege. Yet more remain. Your work has been sporadic and otherwise unorganized fashion. For many this is entirely within the remit and expectations of most Runesmiths. However you are not most dwarfs, by Grungni's beard you are a Runelord and you should be able to do more than that. Most of the work will be in designing a system that lets you find the dwarfs who need replacement limbs, work to find the best possible product for them, then go about making the limbs in question. 3 Actions + 2 Apprentice Actions.
    -[X] The Mind of Things Pt. 2: [Cost: (8 -7) =1 actions] Student of the Odd will proc. You can now see the rough path that Master Yorri took to get to the Rune of Prosthesis, you think at least. A bit more retracing of his steps perhaps, but figuring out what method he used to create a Rune so much more sophisticated than the regular Rune of Waking should provide a great deal of information, and a few more Runes, to work with. More than that, you wonder if there was even a possibility that you could induce actual sensation in the limbs, or even something as difficult or sight or hearing. 1 Action.
    [X] Plan: Both Types Of Arms, Yeeting
    -[X] [Simple] Arm them, Literally: [Cost: (6 +3 -2) =7 actions] Productivity Like No Other will proc. 2 Actions + 2 Apprentice Actions.
    --[X] Clerical Aid: [Cost: 30 Favour] Gain 3 progress.
    -[X] The Mind of Things Pt. 2: [Cost: (8 -7) =1 actions] Student of the Odd will proc. 1 Action.
    -[X] [Difficult] Write In. "Crushing Fate" Pt. 1: [Cost: 1 action] 1-handed Adamant Hammer. 1 Action.
    - [X] Choose: choose three runes you want on the weapon.
    --[X] Master Rune of Smiting, Rune of Might, Rune of Impact
    [X] Plan: Both Types Of Arms, Thunder
    -[X] [Simple] Arm them, Literally: [Cost: (6 +3 -2) =7 actions] Productivity Like No Other will proc. 2 Actions + 2 Apprentice Actions.
    --[X] Clerical Aid: [Cost: 30 Favour] Gain 3 progress.
    -[X] The Mind of Things Pt. 2: [Cost: (8 -7) =1 actions] Student of the Odd will proc. 1 Action.
    -[X] [Difficult] Write In. "Lightning Striker" Pt. 1: [Cost: 1 action] 1-handed Adamant Hammer. 1 Action.
    - [X] Choose: choose three runes you want on the weapon.
    --[X] Master Rune of Thunderbolts, Rune of Might, Rune of Speed
    [X] Plan A Re-armed Hold with Campaigning
    -[X] Campaign: [Cost: 1 action] 2 Turns remaining. Can be taken multiple times, roll for loot + ???, will add bonus to search roll. This turn: Drakkazi. Go out and aid the throng every so often during the next phase of the reclamation. Normally you're only ever really called if things have gotten serious and you're of a similar mind, but this time it seems like the beasts of the North will not bow easy to Dwarf efforts to claim it. More importantly, the sheer number of beasties gives you a chance to go hunting for things and collect their most useful parts for your Runes. 1 Action
    -[X] [Simple] Arm them, Literally: [Cost: (6 +3 -2) =7 actions] Productivity Like No Other will proc. You've been intermittently making prosthetic arms and legs for the Karak's veterans in the decades since the siege. Yet more remain. Your work has been sporadic and otherwise unorganized fashion. For many this is entirely within the remit and expectations of most Runesmiths. However you are not most dwarfs, by Grungni's beard you are a Runelord and you should be able to do more than that. Most of the work will be in designing a system that lets you find the dwarfs who need replacement limbs, work to find the best possible product for them, then go about making the limbs in question. 2 Actions + 2 Apprentice Actions.
    --[X] Clerical Aid: [Cost: 30 Favour] Gain 3 progress. None are as experienced, and therefore respected, in the art of healing dwarfs than the Clergy and adherents of Valaya. See if they'd be interested in coming to an arrangement with you. In essence you'd be leveraging both the Cult's status and reach to find those who may be looking for a replacement limb, and use their trusted position and administrative experience to speed up the entire process of organizing the entire ordeal. Giving you more time to actually work with the clients and make the limbs in question, and giving them another way to fulfill one of Valaya's oldest strictures.
    -[X] The Mind of Things Pt. 2: [Cost: (8 -7) =1 actions] Student of the Odd will proc. You can now see the rough path that Master Yorri took to get to the Rune of Prosthesis, you think at least. A bit more retracing of his steps perhaps, but figuring out what method he used to create a Rune so much more sophisticated than the regular Rune of Waking should provide a great deal of information, and a few more Runes, to work with. More than that, you wonder if there was even a possibility that you could induce actual sensation in the limbs, or even something as difficult or sight or hearing. 1 Action.
    [X] Plan New Apprentice
    -[X] [Simple] Arm them, Literally: [Cost: (6 +3 -2) =7 actions] Productivity Like No Other will proc. You've been intermittently making prosthetic arms and legs for the Karak's veterans in the decades since the siege. Yet more remain. Your work has been sporadic and otherwise unorganized fashion. For many this is entirely within the remit and expectations of most Runesmiths. However you are not most dwarfs, by Grungni's beard you are a Runelord and you should be able to do more than that. Most of the work will be in designing a system that lets you find the dwarfs who need replacement limbs, work to find the best possible product for them, then go about making the limbs in question. 3 Actions + 2 Apprentice Actions.
    -[X] Apprentice Hunt: [Cost: 1 action] Master of Many will proc. Apprentice Vote after Turn Results. Go out and trawl through the local and regional populace to find a beardling or two worth your time. No stone unturned, no clan unchecked, no record unread, even the Foundling Wards! 1 Action.
    [X] Plan Re-Armed With Apprentices
    -[X] [Simple] Arm them, Literally: [Cost: (6 +3 -2) =7 actions] Productivity Like No Other will proc. You've been intermittently making prosthetic arms and legs for the Karak's veterans in the decades since the siege. Yet more remain. Your work has been sporadic and otherwise unorganized fashion. For many this is entirely within the remit and expectations of most Runesmiths. However you are not most dwarfs, by Grungni's beard you are a Runelord and you should be able to do more than that. Most of the work will be in designing a system that lets you find the dwarfs who need replacement limbs, work to find the best possible product for them, then go about making the limbs in question. 2 Actions + 2 Apprentice Actions.
    --[X] Clerical Aid: [Cost: 30 Favour] Gain 3 progress. None are as experienced, and therefore respected, in the art of healing dwarfs than the Clergy and adherents of Valaya. See if they'd be interested in coming to an arrangement with you. In essence you'd be leveraging both the Cult's status and reach to find those who may be looking for a replacement limb, and use their trusted position and administrative experience to speed up the entire process of organizing the entire ordeal. Giving you more time to actually work with the clients and make the limbs in question, and giving them another way to fulfill one of Valaya's oldest strictures.
    -[X] The Mind of Things Pt. 2: [Cost: (8 -7) =1 actions] Student of the Odd will proc. You can now see the rough path that Master Yorri took to get to the Rune of Prosthesis, you think at least. A bit more retracing of his steps perhaps, but figuring out what method he used to create a Rune so much more sophisticated than the regular Rune of Waking should provide a great deal of information, and a few more Runes, to work with. More than that, you wonder if there was even a possibility that you could induce actual sensation in the limbs, or even something as difficult or sight or hearing. 1 Action.
    -[X] Apprentice Hunt: [Cost: 1 action] Master of Many will proc. Apprentice Vote after Turn Results. Go out and trawl through the local and regional populace to find a beardling or two worth your time. No stone unturned, no clan unchecked, no record unread, even the Foundling Wards! 1 Action.
 
[X] Plan A Re-armed Hold Once More

As far as getting more apprentices goes....I'd like some more eventually, but I'm not going to lie, it would be nice to have a few turns with a full 5 actions before we take on more. Just five turns without more apprentices and we could probably get a bunch done. Then we just take some more on like normal. Would be a bit of a shame to miss out on Dolgi's kid, but eh, at the rate they're going I'm sure another will be ready by then. Maybe we can take on Sigrun. Or Jolla. Or both.
 
I don't suppose I can tempt people away from the exploration option, and back into Arm Them again?

I've been hoping to see Snorri go big effort on the prosthetics thing, to see what would come of it, to see how people would react to it (both the Clergy of Valaya, and also the people of the Hold who'll be receiving the prosthetics) and just... Generally, I wanted to put Snorri's back into it.
I think that ship has sailed. If you wanted to see Snorri go big the time to do that was when the issue popped up thirty odd years ago.
 
[X] Plan A Re-armed Hold Once More

Most of the time when we do Odd Places, we end up with another unfinished, unexplored research action. I'd rather just give this multi-turn plan a nice good send-off; it's almost tradition by now for Snorri to give the big batch productions a good kick of overwork. But at this rate I expect us to finish all 10 Odd Places actions long before we do the Silverwood research, which we've had sitting around since turn 10.
 
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