BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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- Lickwidget
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- She/Her
*headdesk*
*Yes*. See the last six or so staff posts where this exact kind of post is hit.
E: quoted BurnNote by accident.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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- Fantasy Users' Choice!
Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
*Yes*. See the last six or so staff posts where this exact kind of post is hit.
E: quoted BurnNote by accident.
Yes, explicitly. So let's not do it.
Yes it does. I personnally think my post is ok, since it doesn't glorify it, but I fully admit that looking back on it it's close to the line.
Guile
Having a really great time right now
We know they eat skaven, and sometimes, that's enough.
Don't be absurd, Johann just became a Magister last turn! We clearly have seniority.
"Hey Johann, who is this 'M. Weber, M.U.', and why's she on your warptech paper? Why's she FIRST?"
"Just... don't ask, man. Just don't ask."
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- He/Him
I just can't help but desperately want to do some self-improvement...
Huh. Sorry about that, only saw the tally.
If we wanted to be mean, we could see if we can find any prior paper that list him as magister, and send in a correction, since he clearly just graduated
Kornet
Quite possibly a sloth abomination
- Location
- Mother Russia
I think that the tally grabs the last instance of a fully described plan, so if you post the correct version right now, it should work.
- Location
- not actually Urk, I just liked the alliteration
[X] Plan Not Really Preliminary Anymore
Vote time.
[X] Plan Not Really Preliminary Anymore
[X] Plan Magical Mathilde
I don't much care for the current winning plan. Johan can do his private stuff in his private time. We always did. I also prefer giving the We a way to talk to the dwarfs. Because friendship.
[X] Plan Not Really Preliminary Anymore
[X] Plan Magical Mathilde
I don't much care for the current winning plan. Johan can do his private stuff in his private time. We always did. I also prefer giving the We a way to talk to the dwarfs. Because friendship.
There's a conspiracy theory that Mathilde Weber is actually Anton Kiesinger, miracle diplomat.
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@spiritualatheist
Would not a paper on something Max has his own experience with be more likely to do well than one only we have experience with (Stirland stuff)?
Would not a paper on something Max has his own experience with be more likely to do well than one only we have experience with (Stirland stuff)?
- Location
- some computer lab
does the We count as multiple allies, or one Ally? hiveminds are wierd.
Nix's Warden
Welcome to Hades
- Location
- United States
Say @BoneyM sorry if someone already asked this, but once the factory is completed, will the favor costs for the above change?
Looking at the top options for sneaking the spiders, I think Mathilde's being quite confident in teaching the spiders a language that she doesn't 'speak' herself. She might be able to pull it off, but Max seems like he'd be better at it.
Consider that this isn't really us letting Johann doing is private stuff in his work time. This is Mathilde's excuse to gate crash a co-authorship on his research with plausible deniability, while finding out how he's doing his private business, and working out if she needs to intervene, while also placing him in the perfect place to be useful if we need to switch to intervening to help the spiders. It's Mathilde pretending to help him do his own business, while actually shanghaiing him into doing exactly what she needs where she needs him. It's actually quite a great piece of manipulation he's helpless to refuse, as it seems like a favour on the surface and he'd look bad by doing so.
This is a significant power play over him on Mathilde's part. It's not her being weak or nice or whatever people are assuming. It's both stick and carrot, offered in a way that's very much Mathilde's take on being a Grey Wizard.
Also, once they can write Reikspeil, it would be trivial for a random dwarf ranger to teach them the semaphore language if we suggest it. The semaphore language is probably vastly less rich, and might lack words for a huge number of useful concepts, while the reverse wouldn't be true.
Consider that this isn't really us letting Johann doing is private stuff in his work time. This is Mathilde's excuse to gate crash a co-authorship on his research with plausible deniability, while finding out how he's doing his private business, and working out if she needs to intervene, while also placing him in the perfect place to be useful if we need to switch to intervening to help the spiders. It's Mathilde pretending to help him do his own business, while actually shanghaiing him into doing exactly what she needs where she needs him. It's actually quite a great piece of manipulation he's helpless to refuse, as it seems like a favour on the surface and he'd look bad by doing so.
This is a significant power play over him on Mathilde's part. It's not her being weak or nice or whatever people are assuming. It's both stick and carrot, offered in a way that's very much Mathilde's take on being a Grey Wizard.
Also, once they can write Reikspeil, it would be trivial for a random dwarf ranger to teach them the semaphore language if we suggest it. The semaphore language is probably vastly less rich, and might lack words for a huge number of useful concepts, while the reverse wouldn't be true.
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Maybe? But there seems to be a significant group who don't want to do any of the more recent papers without Mathilde assisting. And from the description of the action it's more about going through a pile of papers than writing down our own observations. That is more Max's wheelhouse than ours.
Having given it some thought, I have come to the conclusion that the problem is not that we are "allowing" Johann to do what he wants to do, it's that we are insisting that we hold his hand while he does so; as such, we get the "marginal increase to Skaven poking time" instead of fully off-loading investigating the Skaven onto Johann. Something that strictly speaking, is not part of our job. While I'm not going to go to the extent of making a competing plan that has us investigate snekjuice or teach the spooder frens to wave their hands around instead to poking about the Skaven with Johann, hopefully seeing him in action first-hand will be enough that we can safely treat him as a big boy capable of taking care of himself next turn. Then, we will be about to outsource our collective paranoia about not knowing what the Skaven are doing and focus more on Court Wizard things.
Like snekjuice. Or hey, tapping into that supposed knack for enchanting we've tapped into all of twice IIRC and make Johann an item that would allow him to sneak with even a fraction of our skill and panache.
Potential advantage of fully setting up that shrine to Ranald: spontaneous cat population.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
- Location
- Vermont
[X] Plan Citadel Focus
-[X][Max] Current Task: Have Maximilian teach the We written Reikspiel.
-[X] [Johann] Allow him to spend all his time investigating Clan Mors.
-[X] [EIC] Instil corporate policy: always be scrupulously honest when dealing with Dwarves.
-[X][SOCIAL] Wolf is now fully grown, and is a very large dog or a regular-sized wolf. Train him. (increases his intelligence, may deepen Familiar bond)
-[X][PENTHOUSE] Have a tower built atop Karag Nar: -100gc for 1 room, bonus to room's purpose.
-[X][Free] Request the translation item yourself (does not cost an action; converts 3 College Favour to Dwarf Favour).
-[x] Help the We establish their new nest below the Citadel. [ACTION 1][COIN]
-[X] Spend time assisting with a fellow councillor's task: Gunnar, assist him with human burial rites.
-[X] You have acquired the possession of the Temple where Ranald mugged Mork. Set up a shrine and spread knowledge of it throughout Karag Nar.
-[X] Write in: You've mapped the territory of Clan Mors. Help Johann with his investigations there, with an eye to covertly disrupting the Skaven ability to deal with the spiders while you're there.
-[X] The Gambler: Clan Mors investigation/sabotage
-[X][Max] Current Task: Have Maximilian teach the We written Reikspiel.
-[X] [Johann] Allow him to spend all his time investigating Clan Mors.
-[X] [EIC] Instil corporate policy: always be scrupulously honest when dealing with Dwarves.
-[X][SOCIAL] Wolf is now fully grown, and is a very large dog or a regular-sized wolf. Train him. (increases his intelligence, may deepen Familiar bond)
-[X][PENTHOUSE] Have a tower built atop Karag Nar: -100gc for 1 room, bonus to room's purpose.
-[X][Free] Request the translation item yourself (does not cost an action; converts 3 College Favour to Dwarf Favour).
-[x] Help the We establish their new nest below the Citadel. [ACTION 1][COIN]
-[X] Spend time assisting with a fellow councillor's task: Gunnar, assist him with human burial rites.
-[X] You have acquired the possession of the Temple where Ranald mugged Mork. Set up a shrine and spread knowledge of it throughout Karag Nar.
-[X] Write in: You've mapped the territory of Clan Mors. Help Johann with his investigations there, with an eye to covertly disrupting the Skaven ability to deal with the spiders while you're there.
-[X] The Gambler: Clan Mors investigation/sabotage
- Location
- Aotearoa
And that's a feature, not a bug.
I can see that as a reading, but it just doesn't feel that way. I'm not opposed in principle to helping him out (in fact, it's on my todo list), I just don't think this is the time. He's going to be here for a while yet.
I want the spiders to be able to talk to dwarfs without needing a writing surface (and at a distance they feel safe at). The richness might be true right now, but that's going to rapidly change, giving there's now a strong incentive for it. Spider semaphore is likely to become it's own language before too long. And for that reason, I think the argument that someone else can teach semaphore can apply to Reikspiel and Khazalid as well.
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Veekie, Alratan, and SSS and co. make good points. Just, I just really want to do something. Learn something.
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You know I've seen the arguments for this, but it seems very cynical, like we only care about military goals and military risks. A lot of us wanted to move towards integration, at least that's the impression I got. Semaphore does not feel like as good a first step in that direction.
- Location
- not actually Urk, I just liked the alliteration
Are we really that desperate for college favour that we need to stick our nose in someone else's research though? Could we also assist him as he works on the Skaven in his free time while giving him work to do as his job if we really do want to get involved in his project? I just feel we're getting no work out of Johan for two turns in a row now.
[edit] on a reread college favor isn't your only motivation, but my second point does still stand, we can investigate Johan and get work out of him at the same time. At least I think so.
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