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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Gingganz said:
If we ever want to do more with the Spiders than have them hunt Skaven, we first need to establish lines of communication
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Thats fine.
I would much, much prefer that be visual and or verbal, rather than written and persistent.
picklepikkl said:
I mean, they don't have a pure predator/prey conception of relationships. They have the concept of cooperation with other beings like them.
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That's not how I remember it being phrased.
If there is Many-food, the Hives need not fight.
The implication to me is that Other-We are at least competitors for food, and given we know they're cannibals, other-we are food in times of less-food.
Is a thing not-food, or food?
 
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ctulhuslp said:
Yes, and during first battle (for Karag Nar) we weren't even seen.
Existence of human wizard in general was however sort of seen. And Skaven are, if nothing else else, paranoid.
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True, but they are unlikely to have the time or resources to indulge their paranoia, and Mathilde is likely the first Grey Wizard to set foot in K8P in millennia. If they even know what a Grey Wizard is, they aren't going to look for something that won't be there when there are much more pressing threats.
 
BlackWink said:
Does Mathilde even know that Warpstone slowly transforms into crystallized Dhar? Unless it gets covered in the Liber Mortis, I don't see Mathilde ever researching Warpstones beyond how to dispose of.
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Given that Nagash used Warpstone extensively and so do many other necromantic rituals I do not think there is question of Warpstone not being covered in the Liber Mortis. There is also the fact that the calamity that pushed Vanhells to heresy was a Rain of Warpstone that brought Skaven. I would not be surprised if it has insights on Skaven tech never mind basic insights into Warpstone.
 
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After further thought, I have been persuaded that the coin is better spent on a new home for spiders.
[X]Plan Citadel Spider focus
-[X]Citadel focus but with coin on spiders

[X] Plan Mors, Gunnars and Ranald
[X] Magical Mathilde
[X] Plan Magical Mathilde Underground
[X]Plan Citadel Focus
 
Alliterate said:
Thats fine.
I would much, much prefer that be visual and or verbal, rather than written and persistent.

That's not how I remember it being phrased.
If there is Many-food, the Hives need not fight.
The implication to me is that Other-We are at least competitors for food, and given we know they're cannibals, other-we are food in times of less-food.
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Unfortunately, I think speech without the spell/enchanted item is right out. They probably can't make the sounds right to speak human/dwarf/halfling languages.
 
vsh said:
Sure. I won't continue this line of conversation after that, though.
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I'm sorry if there is a misunderstanding between us, but I don't see any reason to call me out specifically? Those were arguments against specific claims by others.

I still do stand by what I said, as I don't see any reason for them to be invalidated?
 
[X] Plan Citadel Focus
[X] Magical Mathilde

I somehow missed that Not Really Preliminary Anymore had us putting Max on a non-dictated Waagh! paper. I prefer it otherwise, but that's just a waste.
 
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Looking back to the Library vote, I wonder if we can get imperial Esoteric books of Ranaldite theology and Divine Magic from the bookseller in Barak Varr. I'm also curious about whether dwarves have books on divine magic. The dwarves have books on Skaven and Greenskin magic, so it doesn't sound beyond the realms of possibility that they have books on the most common magic of their human neighbours, both ancient and modern. It's almost as useful to know your allies' capabilities as well as your enemies'. The New Holds that border Athel Loren might (should?) also have books on elven High Magic and Dark Magic, as well as on their Wind Magic, given that they'll have fought them as well as orcs and skaven. Knowing what the wood elves can do with Ulgu might actually be very enlightening.

I know people want to stop throwing money at the library at some point, but... there are just so many things that might come in useful and we a draw for journeymen. I;m mostly posting this so I don't forget before the next vote.
 
Alright, so while I have time I'm going to once more urge people to vote for my plan, Plan Not Very Preliminary Anymore.

There is simply no reason whatsoever to not have Johann doing what we want this turn; BoneyM has clarified that having him do stuff for us does not prevent him from pursuing his own research, and one action out of six is not at all an onerous burden. Plan Citadel Focus is throwing an action away 'appeasing' someone who doesn't need to be appeased, and I can't support that.
 
[X] Plan Not Really Preliminary Anymore

I've issues with both leading plans atm, but I don't think there's enough of a fraction of voters that agree with me on those specific points to cause a turn-around there.

Meanwhile, Citadel Focus depends on writing as the primary communication method between the Spiders and Dwarves. I don't think that's going to end well, given the restrictions of writing as a communications medium, so I'm voting for the competitive plan that teaches semaphor.
 
If we are just going to 'order' Johann to do what he would be doing anyway then we should kick him from our staff. This 'we should let him do what he wants' argument feels like it will be a frequently recurring one.

@BoneyM
1) Will 'Fire/Hire Wizard' options be available in the post turn votes?
2) Would Esbern and Seija be interested in sticking around now there is something (The We) for them to investigate in their off-hours?
 
[X] Plan Not Really Preliminary Anymore

Written Reispiel is a no go.
Adhoc vote count started by dacsan on Oct 8, 2019 at 1:13 PM, finished with 1269 posts and 143 votes.
  • [X] Plan Citadel Focus
    -[X][Max] Current Task: Have Maximilian teach the We written Reikspiel.
    -[X] [Johann] Allow him to spend all his time investigating Clan Mors.
    -[X] [EIC] Instil corporate policy: always be scrupulously honest when dealing with Dwarves.
    -[X][SOCIAL] Wolf is now fully grown, and is a very large dog or a regular-sized wolf. Train him. (increases his intelligence, may deepen Familiar bond)
    -[X][PENTHOUSE] Have a tower built atop Karag Nar: -100gc for 1 room, bonus to room's purpose.
    -[X][Free] Request the translation item yourself (does not cost an action; converts 3 College Favour to Dwarf Favour).
    -[x] Help the We establish their new nest below the Citadel. [ACTION 1][COIN]
    -[X] Spend time assisting with a fellow councillor's task: Gunnar, assist him with human burial rites.
    -[X] You have acquired the possession of the Temple where Ranald mugged Mork. Set up a shrine and spread knowledge of it throughout Karag Nar.
    -[X] Write in: You've mapped the territory of Clan Mors. Help Johann with his investigations there, with an eye to covertly disrupting the Skaven ability to deal with the spiders while you're there.
    -[X] The Gambler: Clan Mors investigation/sabotage
    ... and 25 more.
    [X] Plan Not Really Preliminary Anymore
    -[X] Have Maximilian attempt to write a paper (choose which from 'Publish or Perish')
    --[X] Write a paper on the Waaagh energy and magic witnessed during the Expedition.
    -[X] Current Task: Have Johann investigate the properties of the spiders' webs.
    -[x] Help the We establish their new nest below the Citadel. [ACTION 1][COIN]
    -[X] Spend time assisting with a fellow councillor's task: specify who and how.
    --[X] Assist Gunnar with burial rites for Humans
    -[X] Request the translation item yourself (does not cost an action; converts 3 College Favour to Dwarf Favour).
    -[X] Investigate the constantly-dripping blood of the Wisdom's Asp. Current accumulation: 12 gallons.
    -[X] Teach the We Dwarven semaphore.
    -[x] Instil corporate policy: always be scrupulously honest when dealing with Dwarves.
    -[X] Wolf is now fully grown, and is a very large dog or a regular-sized wolf. Train him. (increases his intelligence, may deepen Familiar bond)
    -[X] The Gambler: specify an action this will apply to.
    --[X] Investigate the constantly-dripping blood of the Wisdom's Asp. Current accumulation: 12 gallons.
    -[X] Have a tower built atop Karag Nar: -100gc for 1 room, bonus to room's purpose.
    ... and 17 more.
    [X] Plan Magical Mathilde
    -[X] Instill corporate policy: always be scrupulously honest when dealing with Dwarves.
    -[X] Current Task: Have Johann investigate the properties of the spiders' webs.
    -[X] Current Task: Have Maximilian perform or assist with spider autopsies.
    -[X] Teach the We Dwarven semaphore.
    -[x] Help the We establish their new nest below the Citadel. [ACTION 1][COIN]
    -[X] You have acquired the possession of the Temple where Ranald mugged Mork. Set up a shrine and spread knowledge of it throughout Karag Nar.
    -[X] Travel to the Grey College and attend lessons there. (1 College Favour per class; 100gc can be paid instead for non-magical classes)
    --[X] Spells of Grey Magic (teachers' choice; multiple spells)
    -[X] Have a tower built atop Karag Nar: -100gc for 1 room, bonus to room's purpose.
    -[X] Spend time assisting with a fellow councillor's task: Gunnars and Morrite Lore.
    -[X] Request the translation item yourself (does not cost an action; converts 3 College Favour to Dwarf Favour).
    -[X] The Gambler: Spells of Grey Magic
    [X] Plan Publishing Power
    -[x] Have Maximilian write a paper on a subject you dictate.
    --[X] Write a paper on the Waaagh energy and magic witnessed during the Expedition.
    --[X] Write a paper on your personal understanding of countering Waaagh Magic.
    -[X] Current Task: Have Johann investigate the properties of the spiders' webs.
    -[x] Instil corporate policy: always be scrupulously honest when dealing with Dwarves.
    -[X] Teach the We Dwarven semaphore.
    -[X] Request the translation item yourself (does not cost an action; converts 3 College Favour to Dwarf Favour).
    -[x] Help the We establish their new nest below the Citadel. [ACTION 1][COIN]
    --[X] Gambler bonus
    -[X] You have acquired the possession of the Temple where Ranald mugged Mork. Set up a shrine and spread knowledge of it throughout Karag Nar.
    -[X] Spend time assisting with a fellow councillor's task: Gunnar, human burial rites.
    -[X] Have a tower built atop Karag Nar: -100gc for 1 room, bonus to room's purpose.
    -[X] The Gambler: specify an action this will apply to.
    [X] Plan Mors, Gunnars and Ranald
    -[X][MAX] Current Task: Have Maximilian investigate the properties of the spiders' webs.
    -[X] [Johann] Allow him to spend all his time investigating Clan Mors.
    -[X][EIC] Instil corporate policy: long-term financial good of the Empire.
    -[X][PENTHOUSE] Have a tower built atop Karag Nar: -100gc for 1 room, bonus to room's purpose.
    -[X][SOCIAL] Wolf is now fully grown, and is a very large dog or a regular-sized wolf. Train him. (increases his intelligence, may deepen Familiar bond)
    -[X][COIN] Use Gambler - apply to Help We Establish their Nest
    -[x] Deliver King Belegar's request to the College for a translation item (does not cost an action). [FREE]
    -[X] Teach the We Dwarven semaphore.
    -[x] Help the We establish their new nest below the Citadel. [ACTION 1][COIN]
    --[X] Use Gambler here
    -[X] You have acquired the possession of the Temple where Ranald mugged Mork. Set up a shrine and spread knowledge of it throughout Karag Nar.
    -[X] Spend time assisting with a fellow councillor's task: Gunnars
    [X] Not Plan TNE
    [X] Plan Waaaghnald
    -[X] Instill corporate policy: always be scrupulously honest when dealing with Dwarves.
    -[X] Current Task: Have Johann investigate the properties of the spiders' webs.
    -[X] Have Maximilian attempt to write a paper (Waaagh energy)
    -[X] Teach the We Dwarven semaphore.
    -[x] Help the We establish their new nest below the Citadel. [ACTION 1][COIN]
    -[X] You have acquired the possession of the Temple where Ranald mugged Mork. Set up a shrine and spread knowledge of it throughout Karag Nar.
    -[x] Write a paper on your personal understanding of countering Waaagh Magic. [MAX][ACTION 5]
    -[X] Have a tower built atop Karag Nar: -100gc for 1 room, bonus to room's purpose.
    -[X] Spend time assisting with a fellow councillor's task: Gunnars and Morrite Lore.
    -[X] Request the translation item yourself (does not cost an action; converts 3 College Favour to Dwarf Favour).
    -[X] The Gambler: Ranald shrine.
    [X] Turn 20 Down with Clan Mors
    [X] Plan Talk to me Baby (Spider)
    -[X] [JOHANN] Current Task: Have Johann investigate the properties of the spiders' webs.
    -[X] [MAX] Current Task: Teach the We written Reikspiel.
    -[X][EIC] Instil corporate policy: long-term financial good of the Empire.
    -[X] Teach the We Dwarven semaphore.
    -[x] Help the We establish their new nest below the Citadel. [ACTION 1][COIN]
    --[X] Gambler
    -[X] Request the translation item yourself (does not cost an action; converts 3 College Favour to Dwarf Favour).
    -[X] You have acquired the possession of the Temple where Ranald mugged Mork. Set up a shrine and spread knowledge of it throughout Karag Nar.
    -[X] Spend time assisting with a fellow councillor's task
    --[X] Assist Gunnar with burial rites
    -[X] Have a tower built atop Karag Nar: -100gc for 1 room, bonus to room's purpose.
    -[X] Wolf is now fully grown, and is a very large dog or a regular-sized wolf. Train him. (increases his intelligence, may deepen Familiar bond)
    -[X] [COIN] The Gambler
    [X] Plan Magical Mathilde Underground
    -[X] Instill corporate policy: always be scrupulously honest when dealing with Dwarves.
    -[X] Current Task: Have Johann investigate the properties of the spiders' webs.
    -[X] Have Maximilian attempt to write a paper (Waaagh energy)
    -[X] Teach the We Dwarven semaphore.
    -[x] Help the We establish their new nest below the Citadel. [ACTION 1][COIN]
    -[X] You have acquired the possession of the Temple where Ranald mugged Mork. Set up a shrine and spread knowledge of it throughout Karag Nar.
    -[X] Travel to the Grey College and attend lessons there. (1 College Favour per class; 100gc can be paid instead for non-magical classes)
    --[X] Spells of Grey Magic (teachers' choice; multiple spells)
    -[x] Have additional rooms excavated underneath your Penthouse: -50gc for 2 rooms. [FREE]
    -[X] Spend time assisting with a fellow councillor's task: Gunnars and Morrite Lore.
    -[X] Request the translation item yourself (does not cost an action; converts 3 College Favour to Dwarf Favour).
    -[X] The Gambler: Spells of Grey Magic
    [X] Plan TNE v3
    [X] Plan Spider-Wizard Synergy
    -[X][Max] Allow him to spend all his time on his metalworking studies.
    -[X] [Johann] Allow him to spend all his time investigating Clan Mors.
    -[X] [EIC] Instil corporate policy: always be scrupulously honest when dealing with Dwarves.
    -[X][SOC] Spend time assisting with a fellow councillor's task: Gunnars, Morrite Lore
    -[X][PENT] Have additional rooms excavated underneath your Penthouse: -50gc for 2 rooms.
    -[x] Help the We establish their new nest below the Citadel. [ACTION 1][COIN]
    -[X] You've mapped the territory of Clan Mors. Go down there and see what you can acquire.
    --[X] Ranald's Coin: The Gambler
    -[X] Request the translation item yourself (does not cost an action; converts 3 College Favour to Dwarf Favour).
    -[X] Teach the We Dwarven semaphore.
    -[X] You have acquired the possession of the Temple where Ranald mugged Mork. Set up a shrine and spread knowledge of it throughout Karag Nar.
    [X] Plan Like A Good Neighbour
    -[X][MAX] Current Task: Have Maximilian investigate the properties of the spiders' webs.
    -[X] [Johann] Allow him to spend all his time investigating Clan Mors.
    -[X][EIC] Instil corporate policy: long-term financial good of the Empire.
    -[X][PENTHOUSE] Have a tower built atop Karag Nar: -100gc for 1 room, bonus to room's purpose.
    -[X][SOCIAL] Wolf is now fully grown, and is a very large dog or a regular-sized wolf. Train him. (increases his intelligence, may deepen Familiar bond)
    -[X] Request the translation item yourself (does not cost an action; converts 3 College Favour to Dwarf Favour).
    -[X] Teach the We Dwarven semaphore.
    -[x] Help the We establish their new nest below the Citadel. [ACTION 1][COIN]
    --[X] Gambler
    -[X] You have acquired the possession of the Temple where Ranald mugged Mork. Set up a shrine and spread knowledge of it throughout Karag Nar.
    -[X] Spend time assisting with a fellow councillor's task
    --[X] Assist Gunnar with burial rites
    [X] Instil corporate policy: always be scrupulously honest when dealing with Dwarves.
    [X] Plan Publishing Power Juice
    [X] Plan TNE v4
    [X] Turn 20 Down with Clan Mors
    -[X] [Max] Current Task: Have Maximillian teach the We written Reikspiel.
    -[X] [Johann] Allow him to spend all his time investigating Clan Mors.
    -[X] [EIC] Instil corporate policy: always be scrupulously honest when dealing with Dwarves.
    -[X] Request the translation item yourself (does not cost an action; converts 3 College Favour to Dwarf Favour).
    -[x] Help the We establish their new nest below the Citadel. [ACTION 1][COIN]
    --[X] Ranald's Coin - The Gambler on this one.
    -[X] You have acquired the possession of the Temple where Ranald mugged Mork. Set up a shrine and spread knowledge of it throughout Karag Nar.
    -[X] You've mapped the territory of Clan Mors. Go down there and see what you can acquire.
    -[X] Investigate the constantly-dripping blood of the Wisdom's Asp. Current accumulation: 12 gallons.
    -[X] [PENT] Have a tower built atop Karag Nar: -100gc for 1 room, bonus to room's purpose.
    -[X] [SOC] Spend time assisting with a fellow councillor's task: Help Gunnar with Tomb Construction
    -[X] [COIN] The Gambler: Help the We establish new nest below the Citadel.
    [X] Plan Citadel Focus
    -[X][Max] Current Task: Have Maximilian teach the We written Reikspiel.
    -[X] [Johann] Allow him to spend all his time investigating Clan Mors.
    -[X] [EIC] Instil corporate policy: always be scrupulously honest when dealing with Dwarves.
    -[X][SOCIAL] Wolf is now fully grown, and is a very large dog or a regular-sized wolf. Train him. (increases his intelligence, may deepen Familiar bond)
    -[X][PENTHOUSE] Have a tower built atop Karag Nar: -100gc for 1 room, bonus to room's purpose.
    -[X][Free] Request the translation item yourself (does not cost an action; converts 3 College Favour to Dwarf Favour).
    -[x] Help the We establish their new nest below the Citadel. [ACTION 1][COIN]
    -[X] Spend time assisting with a fellow councillor's task: Gunnar, assist him with human burial rites.
    -[X] You have acquired the possession of the Temple where Ranald mugged Mork. Set up a shrine and spread knowledge of it throughout Karag Nar.
    -[X] Write in: You've mapped the territory of Clan Mors. Help Johann poke Clan Mors
    -[X] The Gambler: Poke Clan Mors
    [X] Have a tower built atop Karag Nar: -100gc for 1 room, bonus to room's purpose.
    [X] You have acquired the possession of the Temple where Ranald mugged Mork. Set up a shrine and spread knowledge of it throughout Karag Nar.
    [X] You have acquired the possession of the Temple where Ranald mugged Mork. Set up a shrine and spread knowledge of it throughout Karag Nar. (4)
    -[X] The Protector. Let Ranald the Protector take a second shot at this whole Protecting thing. We have a temple, we have a new people. Let's make it work. Tell the (edited) story of how Ranald protected you from Orckish energies, and how you broke the Idol ritual in that place that is now his Temple, saving who knows how many lives.
    [X] Write a paper on the We. (5) -overwork.
    [X] Write a paper on Mathilde's Multidimensional Aethyric Projection. (5) -overwork
    [X] Have additional rooms excavated underneath your Penthouse: -50gc for 2 rooms.
    [X] Francesco Caravello has emerged as the leader of the Undumgi. He will likely end up under Dreng's or Princess Edda's control, but you could step in and bring them under yours. 2 organisations cost 1 action per turn. (3)
    [x] WRITING, RESEARCH, AND SPIDERS.
    -[x] Have Maximilian write a paper on a subject you dictate.
    -[x] Current Task: Have Johann teach the We written Reikspiel.
    -[x] Instil corporate policy: always be scrupulously honest when dealing with Dwarves.
    -[x] Deliver King Belegar's request to the College for a translation item (does not cost an action). [FREE]
    -[x] Help the We establish their new nest below the Citadel. [ACTION 1][COIN]
    -[x] Attempt to learn a spell from College-supplied scrolls (INVISIBILITY) [ACTION 2]
    -[x] Send to the Grey College for the appropriate scrolls to learn a specific spell: INVISIBILITY. [ACTION 3]
    -[x] Francesco Caravello has emerged as the leader of the Undumgi. He will likely end up under Dreng's or Princess Edda's control, but you could step in and bring them under yours. 2 organisations cost 1 action per turn. [ACTION 4]
    -[x] Write a paper on the Waaagh energy and magic witnessed during the Expedition.[MAX][ACTION 5]
    -[x] Write a paper on your personal understanding of countering Waaagh Magic. [MAX][ACTION 5]
    -[x] Collate the information that the Army of Stirland collected during the Purge. [ACTION 6]
    -[x] Have additional rooms excavated underneath your Penthouse: -50gc for 2 rooms. [FREE]
    -[x] Get in touch with Julia and find out if she'd be interested in passing on information to you. [FREE][COIN]
    -[x] COIN THE GAMBLER
    [X] Spend time assisting with a fellow councillor's task: Dreng, Marshal of Karak Eight Peaks. Offer to makes some MAP's for him, or do some short scouting runs where he needs them. Maybe you can Enchant one main MAP, to do all of K8P, until they can make their own part sized carvings. And the MAP is better for seeing tunnels. Talk to him about what he'd need for best ability to plan fights.
    [X] Teach the We Dwarven semaphore. (1)
    [X] Allow him to spend all his time on his metalworking studies.
    [X] Allow him to spend all his time investigating Clan Moulder.
    [X] Instil corporate policy: long-term financial good of the Empire.
    [X] You've mapped the territory of Clan Mors. Go down there and see what you can acquire.
    [X] Write a paper on your personal understanding of countering Waaagh Magic.
    [X] Plan Citadel & Preliminary
    -[X][Max] Current Task: Have Maximilian attempt to write a paper (choose which from 'Publish or Perish')
    --[X] Write a paper on the Waaagh energy and magic witnessed during the Expedition.
    -[X] [Johann] Allow him to spend all his time investigating Clan Mors.
    -[X][EIC] Attempt to build your own information network within the EIC.
    -[X][SOCIAL] Wolf is now fully grown, and is a very large dog or a regular-sized wolf. Train him. (increases his intelligence, may deepen Familiar bond)
    -[X][PENTHOUSE] Have a tower built atop Karag Nar: -100gc for 1 room, bonus to room's purpose.
    -[X][Free] Request the translation item yourself (does not cost an action; converts 3 College Favour to Dwarf Favour).
    -[x] Help the We establish their new nest below the Citadel. [ACTION 1][COIN]
    -[X] Spend time assisting with a fellow councillor's task: specify who and how.
    --[X] Assist Gunnar with burial rites for Humans
    -[X] Teach the We Dwarven semaphore.
    -[X] Write in: You've mapped the territory of Clan Mors. Help Johann poke Clan Mors
    -[X] The Gambler: Poke Clan Mors
    [X] Help the We establish their new nest below the Citadel. (2)
    [X] Plan Not Really Preliminary Anymore
    -[X] Have Maximilian teach the We written Reikspiel.
    -[X] Current Task: Have Johann investigate the properties of the spiders' webs.
    -[x] Help the We establish their new nest below the Citadel. [ACTION 1][COIN]
    -[X] Spend time assisting with a fellow councillor's task: specify who and how.
    --[X] Assist Gunnar with burial rites for Humans
    -[X] Request the translation item yourself (does not cost an action; converts 3 College Favour to Dwarf Favour).
    -[X] Investigate the constantly-dripping blood of the Wisdom's Asp. Current accumulation: 12 gallons.
    -[X] Teach the We Dwarven semaphore.
    -[x] Instil corporate policy: always be scrupulously honest when dealing with Dwarves.
    -[X] Wolf is now fully grown, and is a very large dog or a regular-sized wolf. Train him. (increases his intelligence, may deepen Familiar bond)
    -[X] The Gambler: specify an action this will apply to.
    --[X] Investigate the constantly-dripping blood of the Wisdom's Asp. Current accumulation: 12 gallons.
    -[X] Have a tower built atop Karag Nar: -100gc for 1 room, bonus to room's purpose.
    [X] Request the translation item yourself (does not cost an action; converts 3 College Favour to Dwarf Favour).
    [X] Wolf is now fully grown, and is a very large dog or a regular-sized wolf. Train him. (increases his intelligence, may deepen Familiar bond)
    [X] Current Task: Teach the We written Reikspiel.
    [X] Allow him to spend all his time investigating Clan Skryre.
    [X] Teach the We written Khazalid.
    [X] Deliver King Belegar's request to the College for a translation item (does not cost an action).
    [X] Help the We establish their new nest below Karag Lhune.
    [X] Investigate underneath Karag Lhune: the Lhune Deeps and the Grand Abyss.
    [X] Investigate the constantly-dripping blood of the Wisdom's Asp. Current accumulation: 12 gallons.
    [X] The Gambler: Help the We establish their new nest below Karag Lhune.
    [X] Current Task: Have Johann investigate the properties of the spiders' webs.
    -[X] But make clear you'll make available to him maps of Clan Mors underground to help with his work,and free him for next season.
    [X] Plan Improvement, Improvement Everywhere
    [X] Plan Citadel Focus Semaphore version
    [X] Not Plan TNE
    -[X] Have Maximilian attempt to write a paper (choose which from 'Publish or Perish')
    --[X] Write a paper on the Waaagh energy and magic witnessed during the Expedition.
    -[X] Current Task: Have Johann investigate the properties of the spiders' webs.
    -[x] Instil corporate policy: always be scrupulously honest when dealing with Dwarves.
    -[X] Teach the We Dwarven semaphore.
    -[X] Request the translation item yourself (does not cost an action; converts 3 College Favour to Dwarf Favour).
    -[x] Help the We establish their new nest below the Citadel. [ACTION 1][COIN]
    --[X] Gambler bonus
    -[X] You have acquired the possession of the Temple where Ranald mugged Mork. Set up a shrine and spread knowledge of it throughout Karag Nar.
    -[X] Spend time assisting with a fellow councillor's task: Gunnar, human burial rites.
    -[X] Have a tower built atop Karag Nar: -100gc for 1 room, bonus to room's purpose.
    -[X] Wolf is now fully grown, and is a very large dog or a regular-sized wolf. Train him. (increases his intelligence, may deepen Familiar bond)
    -[X] The Gambler: specify an action this will apply to.
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DragonParadox said:
Given that Nagash used Warpstone extensively and so do many other necromantic rituals I do not think there is question of Warpstone not being covered in the Liber Mortis. There is also the fact that the calamity that pushed Vanhells to heresy was a Rain of Warpstone that brought Skaven. I would not be surprised if it has insights on Skaven tech never mind basic insights into Warpstone.
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I think that according to Liber Necris or Night's Dark Masters warpstone is a critical ingredient of necromancy, as humans can't create the type of Dhar required for Necromancy unlike elves or vampires who can form it from the Winds. They either need to find or make a location that's (un)naturally strong in it, or they need to carry warpstone around to power their spells, unlike normal wizards who can just call on the ambient Winds in most circumstances.
 
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spiritualatheist said:
Should he write up the Stirland results then? Not sanguine about changing things this late in the vote, but it doesn't really change the thrusters of the plan.
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I think it's pointless for him to write papers if Mathilde isn't there to dictate them. Mathilde is the one with the greater understanding, and just needs him to put the words to paper in exchange for co-author credit.
 
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Hey, there's always
[] Plan Publishing Power
for your paper-publishing needs. Trades Wolf training for the paper-dictating.
 
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Angelform said:
If we are just going to 'order' Johann to do what he would be doing anyway then we should kick him from our staff. This 'we should let him do what he wants' argument feels like it will be a frequently recurring one.

@BoneyM
1) Will 'Fire/Hire Wizard' options be available in the post turn votes?
2) Would Esbern and Seija be interested in sticking around now there is something (The We) for them to investigate in their off-hours?
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This. The entire point of having minions is having them do things for us. The reason we hired Johann was because he was useful. "Promoting" him was a consequence of his own lies. Now that he's back, he's already going to spend most of his actions poking away at the Skaven. Why do we think that a marginal increase in poking Skaven time is going to make him so much happier than being back at K8P?
 
spiritualatheist said:
Alright, so while I have time I'm going to once more urge people to vote for my plan, Plan Not Very Preliminary Anymore.

There is simply no reason whatsoever to not have Johann doing what we want this turn; BoneyM has clarified that having him do stuff for us does not prevent him from pursuing his own research, and one action out of six is not at all an onerous burden. Plan Citadel Focus is throwing an action away 'appeasing' someone who doesn't need to be appeased, and I can't support that.
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Angelform said:
If we are just going to 'order' Johann to do what he would be doing anyway then we should kick him from our staff. This 'we should let him do what he wants' argument feels like it will be a frequently recurring one.

@BoneyM
1) Will 'Fire/Hire Wizard' options be available in the post turn votes?
2) Would Esbern and Seija be interested in sticking around now there is something (The We) for them to investigate in their off-hours?
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This argument isn't gonna cut in anymore. Give actual reasons for why spider webs lead to more academic rep than the skaventech paper, or some other benefit to web study that i'm missing.
 
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