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There is nothing suspicous about a soul going into and out of the afterlife, seers and sorcerors can probably do it. As long as Kakara does not draw the enemy attention then it will be fine.
No, you misunderstand. The afterlife is sealed up tight. The gods are using it as a defensible position to hide from the Enemy, whom they fear. They're still letting the dead in, and under very specific conditions spirits can visit Heaven (or go to Hell anytime they like). But if we start playing elaborate, intricate games using parts of the otherworld as a base camp for random operations and weird gambits, the gods are likely to remove any exceptions that enable us to travel there freely.

You can't overestimate something if you don't know anything about the limitations of Kakara's potential escapades in the afterlife.
Well, in this case it seems as if you don't know the limitations because you aren't aware of them. In which case yes, you totally can overestimate Kakara's freedom of action and her options.

Ironically Dandeer just made Kakara stronger in a way, if she had not sealed her, Kakara would have been confined to her physical body, now as a shade, Kakara literally can travel faster than any ship can across the galaxy.
Kakara has shown no sign of being able to do this in a controllable fashion. You are literally making up speculation at this point. We need to, at a bare minimum, explore what Kakara is and is not capable of before we make any plans involving casual galaxy-hopping gambits.

No the souls already in heaven can't greet us, but the souls in the waiting area can and likely are stuck there.
These souls trap in the waiting area likely have information, tech, magic, sight and other stuff to offer Kakara, while Kakara is still alive, so she can act as their agent to get things done to fulfill their earthly concerns, in exchange for stuff.
There are countless billions of such souls; how do you propose to find the ones with things we need? Are you sure that Yemma (or others) will take kindly to such behavior on our part? Remember that the cosmos is not our oyster; other people who have ideas and minds of their own control access to the things we want.

The host thing is still ambiguous, did Kakara get drawn to him as a host because, he's a mage, or is it random, regardless focussing on Namek completely is a bad idea, her status as a shade gives her advantages that if carefully managed outweigh, the sealing of Kakara's physical body if used right. Thats why she should train as a seer and a shade.
While I still think having a body is an important goal, I DO agree that Kakara should strive to train up her abilities.

The catch is that we can't plan around the assumption of those abilities letting us do highly specific things that involve interacting with weird, rare, exotic things (like the afterlife) in ways that just happen to be maximally convenient for us.

Don't count your chickens before they hatch.
 
No, you misunderstand. The afterlife is sealed up tight. The gods are using it as a defensible position to hide from the Enemy, whom they fear. They're still letting the dead in, and under very specific conditions spirits can visit Heaven (or go to Hell anytime they like). But if we start playing elaborate, intricate games using parts of the otherworld as a base camp for random operations and weird gambits, the gods are likely to remove any exceptions that enable us to travel there freely.

Well, in this case it seems as if you don't know the limitations because you aren't aware of them. In which case yes, you totally can overestimate Kakara's freedom of action and her options.

Kakara has shown no sign of being able to do this in a controllable fashion. You are literally making up speculation at this point. We need to, at a bare minimum, explore what Kakara is and is not capable of before we make any plans involving casual galaxy-hopping gambits.

There are countless billions of such souls; how do you propose to find the ones with things we need? Are you sure that Yemma (or others) will take kindly to such behavior on our part? Remember that the cosmos is not our oyster; other people who have ideas and minds of their own control access to the things we want.

While I still think having a body is an important goal, I DO agree that Kakara should strive to train up her abilities.

The catch is that we can't plan around the assumption of those abilities letting us do highly specific things that involve interacting with weird, rare, exotic things (like the afterlife) in ways that just happen to be maximally convenient for us.

Don't count your chickens before they hatch.


But I didn't base my plans on assumptions, it's more if a test trial or checking how viable the Galaxy hopping is or the whole run errands for the waiting souls to make the Galaxy a better place, as well as save billions of more lives to make king Yenmas job easier, as well as earn the gratitude of the people stuck their.

At worst king Yenmas will just say it can't be allowed or at best she can negotiate with king Yenmas on if she is allowed to visit and run errands or act as a agent for them or something, maybe strike a deal with heaven to act as their errand girl or even work for king Yenmas in exchange for interacting with the souls stuck outside the gate.
Regardless Kakara actually has to make a attempt or try to do new things instead of not trying at all.

For example if Kakara could recreate the effects of a dragon Ball she should try, instead of saying it's impossible. Just like a mortal like Gohan becoming a Good is impossible or a arcosian ascending to godhood like frieza is impossible.

The key word is try to see what Kakara could or could not do as a shade.

Would you rather not try at all? If so you might as well not try experimenting or any outside the box tactics, inventing new techniques just because you don't know what can or can't be done.
 
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Would you rather not try at all? If so you might as well not try experimenting or any outside the box tactics, inventing new techniques just because you don't know what can or can't be done.
This is a glaringly false statement. 'let's not explode a hand grenade in our hand' is a refusal to test an idea, but it does not extend naturally into 'let's never try any hand grenade based ideas'. It's a refusal to do something we fully expect to be not only useless but self harmful.

This attempt to paint people's objections as anti innovation is transparent and disingenuous, rather than anything that engages win the substance of the objections.
 
I mean, considering the options you had last time, where would you like to go next instead? Old Family? New Enemies?
Maybe we should go over the list?
[ ] Old friends. (Staying with Bassoon. I guess there's history? Main benefit is getting downtime to train.)

[ ] New friends. (Unknown. Only group I really can't guess at. Hoping it's super useful - Zeno-o? The folks who taught Instant Transmission to Goku? - but worried that it's on fire.)

[ ] Old family. (Android 18. Probably has an issue to deal with, or a way to help Namek.)

[ ] New family. (Taro. He needs backup, and he has tools that can help us.)

[ ] Old enemies. (New Cold Empire? Freeza himself? Broly? Buu? Chance of danger, but certainly sounds more useful than a history lesson right now.)

[ ] New enemies. (New Cold Empire or Tamar's group. The latter we could potentially save from a horrible death, the former we could use as leverage to help Namek.)

[ ] Those above. (Event-locked, accessible via Those Below.)

[ ] Those below. (Social challenge, Bad End if we fail it, mentoring and/or access to Heaven if we win. Target Characters unknown. If we somehow pumped our combat ability to end-of-DBZ level, I expect we could do this without much risk.)

Of those, I really don't see why staying with Bassoon is an optimal choice. Fun, sure, but you gave up on letting us play purely for fun when you let us lose in the tutorial.
I think "New Enemies" might be a good choice in that we might be able to somehow stop Dandeer from slaughtering the alien invasion fleet? The problem is, the poor bastards have nowhere to go, and it would be fatally unwise for us to tell them just who lives on the planet they're about to intrude on... ehh. [sighs]
Good catch. Tamar's group is a good candidate for that option. What if we engaged our Masque, went to them, and explained our conspiracy theory that Something is using mind control on all the ki-weak folks to keep them docile? Say that (whatever the cover name for Exile culture is) is a conspiracy of ki-users that's recently gone public, and say that whatever Dandeer has done happened in response.
Hmm. Them deciding to attack a slightly less crazy planet would only be a small win for us. We'd need a better plan to give them before we tried this.
 
Vote's Open!
Maybe we should go over the list?
[ ] Old friends. (Staying with Bassoon. I guess there's history? Main benefit is getting downtime to train.)

[ ] New friends. (Unknown. Only group I really can't guess at. Hoping it's super useful - Zeno-o? The folks who taught Instant Transmission to Goku? - but worried that it's on fire.)

[ ] Old family. (Android 18. Probably has an issue to deal with, or a way to help Namek.)

[ ] New family. (Taro. He needs backup, and he has tools that can help us.)

[ ] Old enemies. (New Cold Empire? Freeza himself? Broly? Buu? Chance of danger, but certainly sounds more useful than a history lesson right now.)

[ ] New enemies. (New Cold Empire or Tamar's group. The latter we could potentially save from a horrible death, the former we could use as leverage to help Namek.)

[ ] Those above. (Event-locked, accessible via Those Below.)

[ ] Those below. (Social challenge, Bad End if we fail it, mentoring and/or access to Heaven if we win. Target Characters unknown. If we somehow pumped our combat ability to end-of-DBZ level, I expect we could do this without much risk.)

Of those, I really don't see why staying with Bassoon is an optimal choice. Fun, sure, but you gave up on letting us play purely for fun when you let us lose in the tutorial.
Actually, disregard. You are at liberty to try and leap to another host whenever you please. Just write it in. That'll be 1 AP.
 
This is a glaringly false statement. 'let's not explode a hand grenade in our hand' is a refusal to test an idea, but it does not extend naturally into 'let's never try any hand grenade based ideas'. It's a refusal to do something we fully expect to be not only useless but self harmful.

This attempt to paint people's objections as anti innovation is transparent and disingenuous, rather than anything that engages win the substance of the objections.


First of all trying to find a way to hop galaxies and attempting to check if Kakara can exploit her shade status to interact with the dead stuck waiting, and attempting to make a deal with King Yenmas is not holding a hand grenade.

Second the opposition argument assumes that Kakara can't train for Galaxy hopping because it can't be done, or that she lacks control, assuming that it's not allowed for Kakara to visit the waiting area of the afterlife because king Yenmas won't allow it when Kakara hasn't try to train for hopping Galaxy or negotiate with King Yenmas because of premature conclusion of it being impossible is sort of
anti-innovation, it's like early people telling Da Vinci that flying is impossible.

Regardless

@PoptartProdigy

1. Can Kakara attempt to negotiate with King Yenmas about visiting the afterlife once in a while to gather news, do favors for the souls stuck outside heaven for their living loved ones, save a couple of billion lives, put out fires in the galaxies in exchange for becoming King Yenma's errand girl or emmisiary to the living world?

2. Can Kakara ask Dazarel to teach her how to use her shade abilities such as long distance travel to other areas of the Galaxy, how to anchor to different hosts, how to move as a shade outside of a body?
 
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@PoptartProdigy

1. Can Kakara attempt to negotiate with King Yenmas about visiting the afterlife once in a while to gather news, do favors for the souls stuck outside heaven for their living loved ones, save a couple of billion lives, put out fires in the galaxies in exchange for becoming King Yenma's errand girl or emmisiary to the living world?

2. Can Kakara ask Dazarel to teach her how to use her shade abilities such as long distance travel to other areas of the Galaxy, how to anchor to different hosts, how to move as a shade outside of a body?
  1. Try and see.
  2. Probably not that in particular given that he lacks Sight, but he'll train her in psychic abilities in general.
 
Fun, sure, but you gave up on letting us play purely for fun when you let us lose in the tutorial.

I couldn't disagree more. We absolutely should play purely for fun, because otherwise what's even the point? Now, you could argue reasonably "it's more fun to try and achieve particular in-game goals than it is to stick around a pleasant-but-unproductive option" - hell, you wouldn't even have to argue that point so much as stating it to be your opinion, since fun is subjective - though you'd then have to persuade people that (a) time with Bassoon is relatively unproductive and (b) they should agree with your notions of fun. More productively, given the difficulty of the latter, you could try and persuade people who already share your presumable goal-oriented notions of fun (which this quest has a fair few of, if I'm not mistaken, myself intermittently among them) that your proposed plan is the most productive one available.

Point is, don't throw out "doing it because it's fun" as a reason, 'cause ultimately you're (probably) playing for fun too - you just get it a different way. (also if you're not playing for fun I highly suggest you start, it is for obvious reasons much more enjoyable than the alternatives and it's not like there's anything at stake here that demands a more serious approach)
 
So, what are the odds that Dandeer will just try and mass mind-control the invasion? I mean, she can control a planet no problem, what's a few million more? After all, she'd fit right in with the Empyreal Tyrant's 'Everybody should just do what I say. I'm revoking your ability to choose things or think for yourself because I'm right.' basic premise, and ET doesn't care who or what you are as long as you obey him and his rules.
 
[ ] New Skill (1 AP) [Galactic navigation]: Choose one of your existing skills to improve. Make a training roll in the specified skill. Exceptional or higher skills that are still event-locked will still train, but will not level up unless you trigger an unlock. Please note that you can no longer directly train super-skills like Hand-to-Hand or Ki Manipulation.
[ ] Try to memorize the Galaxy map or at least familiarize it, may or may not rely on a computer or navigation device, try to pin down Tamar's fleet, Garenhuld, New Name, Android's 17 and 18 location, various planets, who knows may make it easier for your shade to navigate.

[ ] New Skills (1 AP) [Shade Instantaneous movement]: Your repertoire is impressive, but it can always expand. Variety is the spice of life and the key to not losing it. Acquire any skill of which Kakara knows, at an appropriate starting level. The skill's theory and practice must be things to which Kakara has access.
[ ] When you first became a shade, to escape Dandeer, you were able to travel to the afterlife and somehow move your soul along with Dazarel to Bassoon near instantly, see if you could practice moving outside of Bassoon's body in vaccum if space be and instantaneously move your location back and forth from outside the ship to Bassoon and vice versa, this relies on your Sight seer talent.
[ ] Try to see if there is a difference between what your shade does and instantaneously transmission.

[ ] Research Project (1 AP) [Shade synchronization]: There are some whispered legends yet to be recreated; there are some things held to be impossible. You brought the Genki Dama back into the world. You're only getting started. Start making research rolls to acquire or invent a skill to which Kakara does not have access. The project name should be the name of a technique you want to acquire or an effect you want to achieve, whichever is more descriptive (i.e., "Perfect Multiform," or, "a good piercing attack with an emphasis on speed." Success is not guaranteed.
[ ] when you began using the Genki dama, you felt a level of understanding and connection to other people and their ki, see if you can reach a level of unity and understanding with Bassoon, to make it easier to teach, share ki and other unknown effects , try anything short of anything permanent, be sure to warn Bassoon about the sensation of Genki dama.


@PoptartProdigy

1. Are these new skills allowed?
 
A variation of that question has been asked enough times that I can probably answer. Poptart would let us try anything but will not tell us whether it is possible or a good idea. They will answer if it is something that Kakara already knows she can do and how to do it but for something like making new skills the answer is "try and see".
 
But I didn't base my plans on assumptions, it's more if a test trial or checking how viable the Galaxy hopping is or the whole run errands for the waiting souls to make the Galaxy a better place, as well as save billions of more lives to make king Yenmas job easier, as well as earn the gratitude of the people stuck their.
I am in favor of testing out Kakara's shade abilities. I am actually in favor of Kakara studying how to make such jumps if possible. However, in case we can't do that, I want Kakara to have a solid place to 'come home to.' I want Bassoon and the Namekians to be on good terms with Kakara. And moreover, the Namekians have dragonballs, which makes them extremely valuable allies. We'd be very lucky to find better ones right now.

Would you rather not try at all? If so you might as well not try experimenting or any outside the box tactics, inventing new techniques just because you don't know what can or can't be done.
However, I now have a policy that whenever someone uses a passive-aggressive sneer like this in a quest debate, I automatically vote against them in an attempt to discourage such tactics.

You have triggered this policy.

I couldn't disagree more. We absolutely should play purely for fun, because otherwise what's even the point?
Yeah. It's why I was tempted to vote for the "Side Trips" option. Because GLORIOUS FILLER EPISODES are so very, very Dragonball. :p



[] Plan Bassoon Has Apps
-[] Continue Your Training (1 AP)
-[] Looking Home (1 AP)
-[] Style Training: Tenshinhan Style
-[] Research Project: Perfect Multiform
-[] Improve a skill: Combat Precognition
-[] Strengthen Host Bond (1 AP):
-[] Talk to Dazarel (1 AP):
-[] Historical Insights (1 AP):
-[] Further Experiments (1 AP):
 
A variation of that question has been asked enough times that I can probably answer. Poptart would let us try anything but will not tell us whether it is possible or a good idea. They will answer if it is something that Kakara already knows she can do and how to do it but for something like making new skills the answer is "try and see".


How about making a deal with King Yenma to lend him Kakara's strength or at least a deniable asset in the world of the living, in exchange for being able to hang around in the waiting area both to put out Galaxy fires and develope contacts network among the dead unofficially

Kakara can act as a troubleshooter going after minor frieza tier villains and genocidal monsters like Dazarel, in exchange for some benefits to her heroic deeds.
 
I am in favor of testing out Kakara's shade abilities. I am actually in favor of Kakara studying how to make such jumps if possible. However, in case we can't do that, I want Kakara to have a solid place to 'come home to.' I want Bassoon and the Namekians to be on good terms with Kakara. And moreover, the Namekians have dragonballs, which makes them extremely valuable allies. We'd be very lucky to find better ones right now.

However, I now have a policy that whenever someone uses a passive-aggressive sneer like this in a quest debate, I automatically vote against them in an attempt to discourage such tactics.

You have triggered this policy.

Yeah. It's why I was tempted to vote for the "Side Trips" option. Because GLORIOUS FILLER EPISODES are so very, very Dragonball. :p



[] Plan Bassoon Has Apps
-[] Continue Your Training (1 AP)
-[] Looking Home (1 AP)
-[] Style Training: Tenshinhan Style
-[] Research Project: Perfect Multiform
-[] Improve a skill: Combat Precognition
-[] Strengthen Host Bond (1 AP):
-[] Talk to Dazarel (1 AP):
-[] Historical Insights (1 AP):
-[] Further Experiments (1 AP):


I am sorry for sounding passive-aggressive, it seems there has been a misunderstanding, on my end the words does seem aggressive, but that was not my intention, I was trying to state how illogical it is to assume a task or something is impossible without experimenting or trying,


From your end, the words you used, it made it look like you assumed that the experiment is impossible so , there is no need to try anything at all, which I was against since it's too early to tell what is or isn't impossible.

I am sorry for this misunderstanding.
 
[X] Plan Bassoon Has Apps Except We Don't Look Home
-[X] Continue Your Training (1 AP)
-[X] Future Options (1 AP):
-[X] Style Training: Tenshinhan Style
-[X] Research Project: Perfect Multiform
-[X] Improve a skill: Combat Precognition
-[X] Strengthen Host Bond (1 AP):
-[X] Talk to Dazarel (1 AP):
-[X] Historical Insights (1 AP):
-[X] Further Experiments (1 AP):

I don't see any point in looking home right now. We aren't going to be able to return for some time, so it's not like we'll be able to act on this information. Better to focus on things that might come up before then, and look home when actually preparing to return.
 
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Plan Shade experiment and putting out galaxy fires.​


The Sight -- or, perhaps more accurately, your psychic abilities -- got you into this mess. Kais and Ancestors willing, they will get you out. 2 total AP available.

[X] Looking Abroad (1 AP) [Maya, Scouts, Tamar's invasion, android 13 and the mysterious female assassin with a knife her target and other crisis in the galaxy ( especially the ones near Bassoon)]: It is difficult to fully describe the dizzying potential of your Sight. With sufficient precision and effort, literally anything past, present, or future is yours to behold. Use your Sight to look into a topic of your choice to the best of your abilities.

-[x] Tell Bassoon about Tamar's invasion that will happen to your homeworld, normally you would try to end the invasion without anyone dying, but with you gone and Dandeer in charge, the fleet may be slaughtered at worst or at best may be coerced into becoming her allies, regardless you have to look into the matter. Both the invasions of Namek and your home will happen in a year, Try to get his insight on Tamar's personality, fleet, goals, so you might find a way to resolve this conflict diplomatically if possible

-[x] Look into the exact time of the invasion and what Dandeer plans to do to them, make sure to know the current time now and the time of invasion. Look into what Dandeer may do to the scouts and timing, you sort of Promise Meerak to save his people and Tamar. Look at the outcome to see what happens if you don't intervene with Tamar's invasion, get a timetable on what crisis will occur first the Namek invasion or Tamar's invasion.

-[x] Tell Bassoon about Dandeer's magic (especially how she killed nearly 10,000 sorceros by herself, how she mind control nearly all super saiyans and seers) , how Sensei Carrick sabotage your seer sight, and Dandeer likely may have a counter to your shade self visiting your home, you want to be able to get in touch with your people in the future without alerting Dandeer's magic and mind controlled seers. get both Bassoon and Dazarel opinions.
--[x] If its safe for both you and the resistance, then try looking into Maya, to see how she is doing.
-[x] Look into the female assassin and android 13

-[x] During the trip to Namek, if your able to use the sight as needed to see if there are any threats that local population of various planets, cannot handle (examples: Frieza tier warlords genociding people, a Dazarel level monster destroying planets) as weakened as you are, you can't just stand back and do nothing, like how the populace of the previous planet were wiped out, and you may or may not have a trick up your sleeves to save the day. In case of trouble persuad Bassoon to delay the trip to Namek





[X] Continue Your Training (1 AP): Dazarel hasn't let up with his insistence on training you. It's actually cute, how afraid he seems of the idea of failing in the task Grandpa Gohan gave him. His first step is to finish testing you for any Gifts other than your Sight. Follow Dazarel's training regime.

-[x] Ask Dazarel to teach you how to control your shade abilities, from what you experience it works well with your seer abilities, so far you travelled to the afterlife and travelled to a different part of the Galaxy, see if he can teach you how to travel long distances to other parts of the Galaxy including the afterlife and how to anchor yourself to another host and get his opinion on the viability of going to the afterlife, seeing as all sorts of people from all over the Galaxy go there when they die, and might have some earthly concerns you can help with and you might get something out of it or possible contacts, after all the souls are going to be stuck outside heaven for a long while and the possibility of getting King Yenmas's permission or making a deal with him.
-[x] Train in your psychic talents too related to the mind, attempt to learn mind control, attempt to break your limitation of not being gifted in mind control, it should be fine, as long as you don't abuse it and be like Dandeer, if you use it to protect and defend the weak, than it won't be that bad.
[X] Get advice on how to synchronize with Bassoon, such as sharing your memories, your understandings that involve learning, maybe Bassoon can learn faster.
[X] Ask Dazarel if time passes by when you two travel as shades, and how fast is shade travel compared to the fastest ship in reaching the opposite end of the galaxy. ask if time runs faster or slower in the afterlife, the afterlife contains the trap souls of various people from all over the galaxy, who have news and intelligence about threats, who may be inclined to help Kakara, if she helps them by taking care of their earthly concerns such as saving the lives of their loved ones and etc.. In fact as soon as possible you would like to reach the afterlife to gather information and form contacts with the trap souls who can't enter heaven.
-[x] Get both Bassoon and Dazarel's opinion on negotiating with King Yenma, once you visited the afterlife, the negotiations should cover being allowed to periodically visiting the afterlife without pushing too far, mingling with the stranded souls unable to enter heaven, gathering contacts, intelligence about the galaxy, seeing as the afterlife contains people from North, West, South, and East. Being able to know about threats and etc.. in exchange your willing to make a deal with King Yenma to help bring some peace to the chaotic galaxy, become a unofficial deniable asset of his that can act in the world of the living.





The drive to improve oneself is intrinsic to the saiyan race, and you are as saiyan as they come in the modern world. 3 total AP available.


[X] New Skill (1 AP) [Galactic navigation]: Choose one of your existing skills to improve. Make a training roll in the specified skill. Exceptional or higher skills that are still event-locked will still train, but will not level up unless you trigger an unlock. Please note that you can no longer directly train super-skills like Hand-to-Hand or Ki Manipulation.
-[x] Try to memorize the Galaxy map or at least familiarize it, may or may not rely on a computer or navigation device, try to pin down Tamar's fleet, Garenhuld, New Name, Android's 17 and 18 location, various planets, who knows may make it easier for your shade to navigate.

[X] New Skills (1 AP) [Shade Instantaneous movement]: Your repertoire is impressive, but it can always expand. Variety is the spice of life and the key to not losing it. Acquire any skill of which Kakara knows, at an appropriate starting level. The skill's theory and practice must be things to which Kakara has access.
[x] When you first became a shade, to escape Dandeer, you were able to travel to the afterlife and somehow move your soul along with Dazarel to Bassoon near instantly, see if you could practice moving outside of Bassoon's body in vaccum if space be and instantaneously move your location back and forth from outside the ship to Bassoon and vice versa, this relies on your Sight seer talent.
[x] Try to see if there is a difference between what your shade does and instantaneously transmission.

[X] Research Project (1 AP) [Shade synchronization]: There are some whispered legends yet to be recreated; there are some things held to be impossible. You brought the Genki Dama back into the world. You're only getting started. Start making research rolls to acquire or invent a skill to which Kakara does not have access. The project name should be the name of a technique you want to acquire or an effect you want to achieve, whichever is more descriptive (i.e., "Perfect Multiform," or, "a good piercing attack with an emphasis on speed." Success is not guaranteed.
[x] when you began using the Genki dama, you felt a level of understanding and connection to other people and their ki, see if you can reach a level of unity and understanding with Bassoon, to make it easier to teach, share ki and other unknown effects , try anything short of anything permanent, be sure to warn Bassoon about the sensation of Genki dama.





For as long as you can recall, you have been a social girl. Though you have grown rapidly over the past year or so and your life has turned upside-down, that fundamental truth has not changed. 2 AP available.

[X] Strengthen Host Bond (1 AP): Neither you nor Bassoon fully understand the nature of the ties that bind you. Devote concerted effort to not merely being a presence in his head, but a person who's trying to get to know him. Perhaps you can unravel the mystery of your presence here. Focus social on Bassoon, improving your relationship with him and strengthening your host bond.
-[x] Ask about his life, He seems quite forgiving even, willing to befriend the arcosians, after what Frieza did.
-[x] Speaking of Frieza, that reminds you about the Ginyu force, which somehow inspired Ji-chan to become Saiyan-man a super hero, since your going to save your home, Namek and others in the galaxy by following in Ji-chan's footsteps, show Bassoon your dance of friendship, heroism and battle, practice your heroic poses, even if you don't have a costume yet, get his opinions on improving them. You may even consider joining the galactic patrol, since you can't exactly form a force by yourself, or you can just use multi-form to compensate. You can even pass yourself as the descendent of Recoome, who is like Maya a human-mutant.
[x] Trade stories and adventures, tell him about your exploits while listening to his.

[X] Talk to Dazarel (1 AP): Dazarel betrayed you. You offered him mercy and protection, and he turned on you. He is loyal now only because your death would mean his destruction. But...you're stuck with him. He's likely to be the only stable company you'll have over the next several years. Try to come to an accord with Dazarel.
-[x] Ask about his life, whether he has siblings, Does he have a grudge against saiyans, after Bardock murdered every Kassian, if so you understand his hate for your kind.
-[x] If he had a normal life before as a dragon, how could he commit all those atrocities and kill billions if he does understand how life is precious, even if might makes right.



With the level of access you have, it's all-but-guaranteed that you'll be able to sway Bassoon into doing things in the outside world. 2 AP available.


[X] Instruction (1 AP): He might complain about bottle blondes again, but you're riding in Bassoon's head, and you have a vested interest in keeping it intact. In spare moments, impart some of the secrets of your people's warrior traditions to him. The irony in you doing this is stifling, but you'll power through. Bassoon makes a concerted effort to train his power level and abilities this month, and you directly assist him.
-[x] Try to give him the principles used in Genkai dama, to true nature of ki, it might come in handy in the future, maybe the invasion could be stop without any blood being shed, teach him to feel the grass, as well as your philosophy about ki.
[X] Teach him the technique use for defeating Dazarel.
-[x] see, if he can learn calcalus, being able to teleport around the world is useful, as well as multiform.
-[x] Try to teach about Ki control, the spiritual side of Ki and how to sychronize with you better to work together, get Dazarel to help out.



[X] Further Experiments (1 AP): You experimented, briefly, with donating ki directly to Bassoon. It didn't go well. Try to figure out what went wrong, and see if you can't fathom any other limits your abilities might have. Map out the possibilities and limitations you have in interacting with Bassoon.
[x] while experimenting, see if there is a way to strenghten the bond, afterall if there is a crisis in your homeworld, you may have to temporarily leave him, to sort things out, but also return to him to help defend Namek.
[x] Try to leave Bassoon's body and anchor yourself again, consult Dazarel first, to avoid risk, see if Bassoon can summon your shade, if your outside his body.
[x] Practice synchronization, as well as Ki sharing. See if Bassoon can inherit your seer abilities, your ancestors inherited from the Kanassians, so he should be able to. See if Bassoon can use the sight. See if with your prodding if he can transform into a Super Namekian, again consult Dazarel if there is a risk.
-[x] See of you can infect Bassoon with your seer powers, didn't Bardock get infected by the Kanassians seer powers.



[X] Write-In (AP Variable): You are Kakara Goku, and it has admittedly been a little while since you last made a proper list! You're sure that you can come up with something else that you've forgotten at just this moment!

[X] Let Bassoon know that if you can sense trouble that the various locals on the various planets can't handle, then you would like to help them on the way Namek, even if it means delaying the trip to Namek a day or two, as weakened as you are, you have a ace up your sleeve, aka the technique that defeated Dazarel if needed, and if the problem is smaller, than you would like to prevent a genocide, like what the refugees did to the Arcosians on the planet awhile back. You could take advantage of your shade status to travel to locations quickly.
-[x] Let Bassoon know about the miscellaneous visions: A woman clad in strange armor creeps up behind some kind of alien you couldn't name with a blast to your head, slowly easing a knife out of a sheathe at her side -- a knife, why a knife of all things? -- and it's a cold instant before you realize that you're about to witness a murder- , try to visualize in his mind the appearance of the alien and the woman, maybe he can comprehend the vison.
-[x] Include the vision Goku draws down the Genki Dama into his own body, grunting under the strain just as you did, and releasing it all in a titanic fury that makes the world tremble, just as you did. Planet Earth, for a moment, sings as one, and in a shining instant, Android Thirteen dies.
-[x] The Namek invasion and the supposedly last Saiyan made sense since they involve both Bassoon and you respectively, the others seem random, with that said your still going to stop the murder attempt, and stop android 13 without killing him if you can.

[X] Record all your seer predictions in a journal to keep track of them. Ask Bassoom if he can identify the assassin with a knife trying to kill the unknown alien you saw in your vision, give details

-[x] Be sure to mentioned Tamar to Bassoom and all information about him, from the warlord chased off by android 17 and 18, to how he's probably looking for a home. Maybe he can think of a way to contact him.

--[x] Get a map to know your location, the location of the fleet heading to Garenhuld, probable path the fleet took as well as any existence of a long distance communication device to safely contact them. Get a idea of how far away from home you are.

---[x] Talk about various oddities and rumors you heard from Garenhuld: Krillin being a albino namekian, the albino namekians being wiped out by the green namekians, the Guru in the Frieza era purposely sabotaging Nail's efforts in defeating Frieza by teaching him outdated fighting techniques and the rumor of Namekians succeeding the Guru by cannibalizing him. Make sure he knows its just a joke among the conspiracy theorist in your home world.

---- [x] Ask Bassoon about Arlia, Kassians and Truffles, if whether they really were are extinct , its wrong that your ancestor Vegeta wipe the arlians out just because of their mating habits. You hope their species was able to recover.

---[x] Talk to both Dazarel and Bassoon about Dazarel's bounty, the bounty of a saiyans, ask if there are vigilantes, heroes or mercenaries who make it their job to go after planet destroyers like Frieza, monsters that commit genocide ( Dazarel) and other villains. Since the galaxy is chaotic, surely the various planets must have adapted a survival strategy to deal with people like Dazare, Frieza, Evil Buu and other threats.

-[X] Talk about the time patrollers, galactic patrol ask if their standards have increased to the point where, they actually are competent enought to deal with past-Frieza planet trade organization level threats, afterall the ships with guns in the millions of powerlevels are impressive.

--[x] Get details about how time travel became illegal, and if there is even a use for the technology anymore, since its forbidden.

[X] Since Dragon balls are made from dragons, and technically you are stronger than Dazare, would you be able to use your power to create planets, bring people back to life, it will be nice if the saiyans are known for their ability to create than to destroy stuff, you do have to make up for the atrocities the saiyans help Frieza with.
[X] Ask if the Namek dragon balls can create a planet for the refugees to settle in, it may make them more peaceful and less willing to kill for a planet like what happen to the Arcosians back awhile.
 
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How about making a deal with King Yenma to lend him Kakara's strength or at least a deniable asset in the world of the living, in exchange for being able to hang around in the waiting area both to put out Galaxy fires and develope contacts network among the dead unofficially

Kakara can act as a troubleshooter going after minor frieza tier villains and genocidal monsters like Dazarel, in exchange for some benefits to her heroic deeds.

The response would be similar in that we are allowed to try that but personally, I don't think that is something that would work. For starters, we can't actually deal with early series Frieza level opponents since we don't know how to interact with the physical world as a shade yet and our power level as one is a lot smaller than usual so even if we could fight them we wouldn't be able to beat them. The only way we currently have of doing so would be the Genki Dama which is such a signature technique that anyone using it would be screaming that Earth Saiyans survived. For similar reasons, teaching Bassoon the technique is a bad idea since if it got out that he used it they would go from being attacked by the new cold empire to being attacked by the enemy.

Discounting the fact that we don't currently have the ability to complete such a deal, there is the risk reward factor on both of our ends. Heaven abandoned the living and have no reason to interfere with them. There have always been genocidal monsters but there have always been heroes too. Currently, 17 and 18 are putting order to the south galaxy and slowly working their way to the rest of it so Yemma only has to wait for the situation to fix itself. That would be much easier than risk the fact that Kakara exists getting out and bring heat from the Enemy to the wayward station once it comes out she is helping on behalf of the dead, which would be a matter of time if Kakara goes around helping people. So the deal is not really worth it on his end since even the rumor that the afterlife is interfering in the affair of the living again might bring the Enemy's attention given the Z fighter's history with the gods.

On the other hand, it is not really worth it on Kakara's end either. Dead souls are not trapped in the wayward station, they are still sent to heaven and hell. So any contacts among the dead that Kakara might make will eventually move on to the afterlife where they would not be able to help her. Similarly, there is little benefit from using the wayward station as a base since as far as Kakara can tell, her ability to move across the galaxy is due to her being a shade, not due to her using it as a stop in between. There is also the fact that actually finding a soul that could be useful to her among the millions waiting in line is unlikely due to the sheer number of souls there all looking the same. It is more efficient to go to people we know can help already and that have reason to help like the Namekians, in which case she should be trying to ensure they survive and have reason to be thankful to her rather than betting on finding someone better.

Because of the limited resources she has at this point and the fact that one of the best options she has is the Namekians, are already in danger and will already take some effort to help, it is actually better to focus on making sure they survive rather than going on side quests.

Basically, what I am saying is that we could try what you are suggesting but now is not really the time to do so. We should be focusing our efforts on making sure New Namek is not destroyed since one year of forewarning is not actually a lot in dragon ball terms and we have a prophesy that guarantees they will be destroyed if specific conditions that yet remain unclear are not fulfilled.
 
[X] Plan Bassoon Has Apps
[X] [Ask] Dazarel, how psychically powerful are we compared to what you have seen before?
[X] [Ask] Dazarel, could you give us your ki technique list?
Honestly, I think we missed an opportunity to try to say, seal Dazarel's psychic power into us or something.
Asking the questions because I'm curious and because they might be valuable later.
 
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How about making a deal with King Yenma to lend him Kakara's strength or at least a deniable asset in the world of the living, in exchange for being able to hang around in the waiting area both to put out Galaxy fires and develope contacts network among the dead unofficially

Kakara can act as a troubleshooter going after minor frieza tier villains and genocidal monsters like Dazarel, in exchange for some benefits to her heroic deeds.
If dragonball proved something, is that the Gods DON'T CARE about minor frieza tier villains. Otherwise Beerus or Kaioshin could have easily killed him at any time until he became golden frieza.

They only care about the big "can kill the gods" threath themselves. Like Majin Bu and the Enemy.

Also

1)I don't think King Yenma has the authority to make a deal we're actually interested in.
2)Even IF we find some usefull dead soul waiting (amongst the countless billions in line), by the time we came back they would have probably been judged and sent to heaven or hell. We could MAYBE use them as messengers, but it would be easier to simply pop in, Ask Yenma to give a message to whoever we want to, and then go away (and come back for any reply later)

about traveling the universe as a shade, that's a usefull skill to get...but I'd wait until after Namek to get it. After all we don't know if we'd be able to come back easily if we accidentally went to, say, Freeza. And we can only communicate with sorcerers and seers anyway.
However, I now have a policy that whenever someone uses a passive-aggressive sneer like this in a quest debate, I automatically vote against them in an attempt to discourage such tactics.

You have triggered this policy.
To be fair you only wrote this in the victoria quest. He couldn't have known
[X] Plan Bassoon Has Apps
Bassoon installed Personal Trainer: "Really good app, though they have to fix the dragon bug."
 
The response would be similar in that we are allowed to try that but personally, I don't think that is something that would work. For starters, we can't actually deal with early series Frieza level opponents since we don't know how to interact with the physical world as a shade yet and our power level as one is a lot smaller than usual so even if we could fight them we wouldn't be able to beat them. The only way we currently have of doing so would be the Genki Dama which is such a signature technique that anyone using it would be screaming that Earth Saiyans survived. For similar reasons, teaching Bassoon the technique is a bad idea since if it got out that he used it they would go from being attacked by the new cold empire to being attacked by the enemy.

Discounting the fact that we don't currently have the ability to complete such a deal, there is the risk reward factor on both of our ends. Heaven abandoned the living and have no reason to interfere with them. There have always been genocidal monsters but there have always been heroes too. Currently, 17 and 18 are putting order to the south galaxy and slowly working their way to the rest of it so Yemma only has to wait for the situation to fix itself. That would be much easier than risk the fact that Kakara exists getting out and bring heat from the Enemy to the wayward station once it comes out she is helping on behalf of the dead, which would be a matter of time if Kakara goes around helping people. So the deal is not really worth it on his end since even the rumor that the afterlife is interfering in the affair of the living again might bring the Enemy's attention given the Z fighter's history with the gods.

On the other hand, it is not really worth it on Kakara's end either. Dead souls are not trapped in the wayward station, they are still sent to heaven and hell. So any contacts among the dead that Kakara might make will eventually move on to the afterlife where they would not be able to help her. Similarly, there is little benefit from using the wayward station as a base since as far as Kakara can tell, her ability to move across the galaxy is due to her being a shade, not due to her using it as a stop in between. There is also the fact that actually finding a soul that could be useful to her among the millions waiting in line is unlikely due to the sheer number of souls there all looking the same. It is more efficient to go to people we know can help already and that have reason to help like the Namekians, in which case she should be trying to ensure they survive and have reason to be thankful to her rather than betting on finding someone better.

Because of the limited resources she has at this point and the fact that one of the best options she has is the Namekians, are already in danger and will already take some effort to help, it is actually better to focus on making sure they survive rather than going on side quests.

Basically, what I am saying is that we could try what you are suggesting but now is not really the time to do so. We should be focusing our efforts on making sure New Namek is not destroyed since one year of forewarning is not actually a lot in dragon ball terms and we have a prophesy that guarantees they will be destroyed if specific conditions that yet remain unclear are not fulfilled.


I'm sure a system could be set up where Kakara can anonymously receive messages from the dead, and anonymously receive information.
Currently the biggest use, I see is finding a dead refugee that belongs to Tamar's group, getting him to temporarily deliver a message to Tamar, or at least giving some sort of password that lets Tamar know Kakara could be trusted.

As for the Genkai Dama, your right its a security risk, however its a last resort button, one of the ways to counter the enemy is to , spread the knowledge all over the galaxy, driving the enemy on a wild goose chase, however before that, it should be verified that the enemy targets only saiyans, not desperate people trying to survive genocidal warlords like Frieza and apocalyptic monsters like Dazarel.
 
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If dragonball proved something, is that the Gods DON'T CARE about minor frieza tier villains. Otherwise Beerus or Kaioshin could have easily killed him at any time until he became golden frieza.

They only care about the big "can kill the gods" threath themselves. Like Majin Bu and the Enemy.

Also

1)I don't think King Yenma has the authority to make a deal we're actually interested in.
2)Even IF we find some usefull dead soul waiting (amongst the countless billions in line), by the time we came back they would have probably been judged and sent to heaven or hell. We could MAYBE use them as messengers, but it would be easier to simply pop in, Ask Yenma to give a message to whoever we want to, and then go away (and come back for any reply later)

about traveling the universe as a shade, that's a usefull skill to get...but I'd wait until after Namek to get it. After all we don't know if we'd be able to come back easily if we accidentally went to, say, Freeza. And we can only communicate with sorcerers and seers anyway.

To be fair you only wrote this in the victoria quest. He couldn't have known

Bassoon installed Personal Trainer: "Really good app, though they have to fix the dragon bug."


If you want to wait till Namek, to practice shade powers, what about scrying about the aftermath of a Kakara not intervening with Tamar's invasion to read Dandeer
s plan, the mysterious female assassin, android 13 and other fires in the galaxy.

Maybe its not important to King Yenma, but the souls of the deceased, once they likely hear that Kakara is willing to help their living loved ones, can post requests, while Kakara can post her requests too. Get a barter system going, somehow.

There might be some seers and wizards among the dead with important knowledge.
 
Maybe its not important to King Yenma, but the souls of the deceased, once they likely hear that Kakara is willing to help their living loved ones, can post requests, while Kakara can post her requests too. Get a barter system going, somehow.

Where would they hear of it? Anyone we meet at the Check-in station would be gone to heaven or hell by the time we came back!

And there are BILLIONS of them, maybe even TRILLIONS. How would we find the ones we need? AND if we find them how would we convince them to give us anything of value (if they actually HAVE anything to offer) BEFORE we do whatever we promise to do for them? Because, I'll remind you again, even IF we can do whatever we promise we WON'T FIND THEM there once we go back for our reward.
There might be some seers and wizards among the dead with important knowledge.
true. Among billions or trillions of random Joes. And how much can they even teach us in the few minutes we're allowed to stay at the check-in station before we're sent away by the barrier (assuming we actually find them before we're sent away)
 
Where would they hear of it? Anyone we meet at the Check-in station would be gone to heaven or hell by the time we came back!

And there are BILLIONS of them, maybe even TRILLIONS. How would we find the ones we need? AND if we find them how would we convince them to give us anything of value (if they actually HAVE anything to offer) BEFORE we do whatever we promise to do for them? Because, I'll remind you again, even IF we can do whatever we promise we WON'T FIND THEM there once we go back for our reward.

true. Among billions or trillions of random Joes. And how much can they even teach us in the few minutes we're allowed to stay at the check-in station before we're sent away by the barrier (assuming we actually find them before we're sent away)


If nothing else, they can inform Kakara of any threats like Dazarel, genocides, and news of technology, as long as there exist a system of communication.

As for how to set up a good communication method, I have no idea, but since Kakara can theoretically travel fast as a shade, she would want to save as much lives as much as possible, for example if , Dazarael isn't beaten, he would have killed billions more, so if Kakara could prevent that, she would do it, as soon as the rumor mill spread in the afterlife of a girl performing good deeds, the dead would find ways to help her out either, with information, location of mortal teachers, exotic technology and other stuff. Some sort of gratitude to make it easier for Kakara to get stronger, find allies and save lives.

But in the end, its not about what she gets out of it, at least not primarily, Kakara protects the weak and helpless, due to scale, she should focus on threats only she could deal with, since if she focusses on all problems it would be never ending.
 
If you want to wait till Namek, to practice shade powers, what about scrying about the aftermath of a Kakara not intervening with Tamar's invasion to read Dandeer
s plan, the mysterious female assassin, android 13 and other fires in the galaxy.

Maybe its not important to King Yenma, but the souls of the deceased, once they likely hear that Kakara is willing to help their living loved ones, can post requests, while Kakara can post her requests too. Get a barter system going, somehow.

There might be some seers and wizards among the dead with important knowledge.

In that case, using future sight to check what would happen to the refugees if we don't intervene should be the first step since everything else might be unneeded. We are arguing that you are putting the cart before the horse, we need to prioritize to solve the issues we know about before looking for new ones.

As for the whole trading thing... well, part of the issue is that you are overcomplicating things. Putting aside the fact that getting that kind of message system is not allowed for security reasons, it overcomplicates things since it needs to call favors we don't have, it needs word to spread around billions of waiting souls, it needs us to sort through millions of requests and it needs us to worry about word getting out from anyone we help that way. That is simply inefficient, not to mention that teaching skills by letter is not really effective.

If we want to trade help for useful skills or allies then we already have a way to do that with the same method we reached Bassoon, by moving as a shade with that being the intent to reach those in the world of the leaving that can help. If it is something that only someone who is dead knows, our best option is to train to grow stronger and then brave hell to reach heaven: if they are in hell we find them in hell and if they are in heaven we can actually ask the ancestors once we reach them if they know of anyone who fits that criteria.

It is not as if we don't have any idea about how to navigate hell either, we know of at least three techniques to improve our power level output that we can research and we have speculated before that Tabe's and Jaffur's trick could be modified to use ki while hiding from sensors. Between that and IT we should be able to manage somehow but not if we waste time on options that are unlikely to be useful and we really have other time sensitive issues to worry about instead, like the new namek situation.

Even the whole trying to earn Tamar's trust is inneficient since it requires someone who is actually close to him to have died fairly recently and that is unlikely to be the case since they have been traveling for years now. The only likely candidate is Murk and we don't know if Dandeer killed him. A more efficient action would be to use past or present sight to gain an understanding of Tamar before approaching him.
 
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