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- Mid-Atlantic
I suspect that their crew surplus reflects them having a comparatively large 'naval reserve' of spacers trained during The War, who are still alive and who could in theory be recruited to operate warships once again.
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
- Thread starter OneirosTheWriter
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[X][PRIORITY] Star-Kin: Refit Monastery as Long-Term
[X][PRIORITY] Caldonians: Refit old Science Cruisers as Long-Term
[X][PRIORITY] Orions: Move Inc Crew/Res to Medium Term
[X][PRIORITY] STO: Increase BR/SR as Medium-Term
[X][ORION] Adopt Project Emerald as a new light frigate, capable of being built in 600kt berths. (+10 pp)
[X][ORION] Support development of a Miranda-B variant (-10 pp cost to a Miranda-B refit, Starfleet must refit and transfer one Miranda-B to the Orion Union as soon as the project is complete, in an Orion berth if necessary, but at Starfleet expense).
[X][ORION] Adopt Kepler as a new scout frigate, building in 2.25 years, with crew cost O2 E3 T4.
[X][ORION] Adopt Project Greenleaf as a new skirmish frigate, with build time 2 years, cost 80-85 BR & 55-65 SR, and crew cost O1 E2 T2. (+10 pp)
[X][ORION] Wait to refit existing cruisers
[X][LAIO] Support the construction of a shipyard. (-11 pp, Laio Shipyard with 1x2mt berth will be built at Laian)
[X][FRIGATE] Adopt Project Emerald (-5 pp for facilitating technical assistance, prototype begins production in 2325Q3 at Bidva, -70 br, -55 sr OR additional -15 pp to arrange a resource transfer from the Honiani)
[X][FRIGATE] Put the Mielab into production (-8 pp for facilitating technical assistance, 1-2 ordered 2325Q3, -40-80 br, -40-85 sr or additional -8-18 pp to arrange a resource transfer from the Honiani)
[X][FRIGATE] Back the Miranda-B project (-2 pp cost to a Miranda-B refit, Starfleet must refit and transfer a Miranda-B to the Laians as soon as the project is complete (in a Laian berth if necessary, but at Starfleet expense))
[X][FRIGATE] Transfer mothballed Amarki frigates to the Laians (-2 pp for facilitating minor technical assistance; Laio acquires 2 Brieca-As and scraps three frigates, in 2325Q1, reduce the br & sr cost of any other [FRIGATE] option taken by 90 br & 55 sr (or additional pp cost by 15 pp))
[X][STO] Adopt the Torqui Leb Lagan Flight II (C7 S7 H4 L6 P7 D7, 200 br 140 sr 6O 6E 5T, 35 br & 35 sr refit cost) and refit in 2329
[X][CAT] Adopt the Mielab in its current form.
[X][CAT] Adopt Project Carbon (Requires shipyard upgrades to produce at home, -10 pp to rent an Orion berth for the initial build)
[X][BETZA] Rename the class the Artful-class, after the first unit.
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[X][PRIORITY] Caldonians: Refit old Science Cruisers as Long-Term
[X][PRIORITY] Orions: Move Inc Crew/Res to Medium Term
[X][PRIORITY] STO: Increase BR/SR as Medium-Term
[X][ORION] Adopt Project Emerald as a new light frigate, capable of being built in 600kt berths. (+10 pp)
[X][ORION] Support development of a Miranda-B variant (-10 pp cost to a Miranda-B refit, Starfleet must refit and transfer one Miranda-B to the Orion Union as soon as the project is complete, in an Orion berth if necessary, but at Starfleet expense).
[X][ORION] Adopt Kepler as a new scout frigate, building in 2.25 years, with crew cost O2 E3 T4.
[X][ORION] Adopt Project Greenleaf as a new skirmish frigate, with build time 2 years, cost 80-85 BR & 55-65 SR, and crew cost O1 E2 T2. (+10 pp)
[X][ORION] Wait to refit existing cruisers
[X][LAIO] Support the construction of a shipyard. (-11 pp, Laio Shipyard with 1x2mt berth will be built at Laian)
[X][FRIGATE] Adopt Project Emerald (-5 pp for facilitating technical assistance, prototype begins production in 2325Q3 at Bidva, -70 br, -55 sr OR additional -15 pp to arrange a resource transfer from the Honiani)
[X][FRIGATE] Put the Mielab into production (-8 pp for facilitating technical assistance, 1-2 ordered 2325Q3, -40-80 br, -40-85 sr or additional -8-18 pp to arrange a resource transfer from the Honiani)
[X][FRIGATE] Back the Miranda-B project (-2 pp cost to a Miranda-B refit, Starfleet must refit and transfer a Miranda-B to the Laians as soon as the project is complete (in a Laian berth if necessary, but at Starfleet expense))
[X][FRIGATE] Transfer mothballed Amarki frigates to the Laians (-2 pp for facilitating minor technical assistance; Laio acquires 2 Brieca-As and scraps three frigates, in 2325Q1, reduce the br & sr cost of any other [FRIGATE] option taken by 90 br & 55 sr (or additional pp cost by 15 pp))
[X][STO] Adopt the Torqui Leb Lagan Flight II (C7 S7 H4 L6 P7 D7, 200 br 140 sr 6O 6E 5T, 35 br & 35 sr refit cost) and refit in 2329
[X][CAT] Adopt the Mielab in its current form.
[X][CAT] Adopt Project Carbon (Requires shipyard upgrades to produce at home, -10 pp to rent an Orion berth for the initial build)
[X][BETZA] Rename the class the Artful-class, after the first unit.
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- Washington DC
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[X][PRIORITY] Star-Kin: Refit Monastery as Long-Term
[X][PRIORITY] Caldonians: Refit old Science Cruisers as Long-Term
[X][PRIORITY] Orions: Move Inc Crew/Res to Medium Term
[X][PRIORITY] STO: Increase BR/SR as Medium-Term
[X][ORION] Adopt Project Emerald as a new light frigate, capable of being built in 600kt berths. (+10 pp)
[X][ORION] Adopt Project Greenleaf as a new skirmish frigate, with build time 2 years, cost 80-85 BR & 55-65 SR, and crew cost O1 E2 T2. (+10 pp)
[X][ORION] Wait to refit existing cruisers
[X][FRIGATE] Adopt Project Emerald (-5 pp for facilitating technical assistance, prototype begins production in 2325Q3 at Bidva, -70 br, -55 sr OR additional -15 pp to arrange a resource transfer from the Honiani)
[X][FRIGATE] Back the Miranda-B project (-2 pp cost to a Miranda-B refit, Starfleet must refit and transfer a Miranda-B to the Laians as soon as the project is complete (in a Laian berth if necessary, but at Starfleet expense))
[X][FRIGATE] Transfer mothballed Amarki frigates to the Laians (-2 pp for facilitating minor technical assistance; Laio acquires 2 Brieca-As and scraps three frigates, in 2325Q1, reduce the br & sr cost of any other [FRIGATE] option taken by 90 br & 55 sr (or additional pp cost by 15 pp))
[X][STO] Scrap the Torqui Leb Lagans and replace with three Renaissance-A.
[X][CAT] Adopt the Mielab in its current form.
[X][BETZA] Rename the class the Artful-class, after the first unit.
[X][PRIORITY] Caldonians: Refit old Science Cruisers as Long-Term
[X][PRIORITY] Orions: Move Inc Crew/Res to Medium Term
[X][PRIORITY] STO: Increase BR/SR as Medium-Term
[X][ORION] Adopt Project Emerald as a new light frigate, capable of being built in 600kt berths. (+10 pp)
[X][ORION] Adopt Project Greenleaf as a new skirmish frigate, with build time 2 years, cost 80-85 BR & 55-65 SR, and crew cost O1 E2 T2. (+10 pp)
[X][ORION] Wait to refit existing cruisers
[X][FRIGATE] Adopt Project Emerald (-5 pp for facilitating technical assistance, prototype begins production in 2325Q3 at Bidva, -70 br, -55 sr OR additional -15 pp to arrange a resource transfer from the Honiani)
[X][FRIGATE] Back the Miranda-B project (-2 pp cost to a Miranda-B refit, Starfleet must refit and transfer a Miranda-B to the Laians as soon as the project is complete (in a Laian berth if necessary, but at Starfleet expense))
[X][FRIGATE] Transfer mothballed Amarki frigates to the Laians (-2 pp for facilitating minor technical assistance; Laio acquires 2 Brieca-As and scraps three frigates, in 2325Q1, reduce the br & sr cost of any other [FRIGATE] option taken by 90 br & 55 sr (or additional pp cost by 15 pp))
[X][STO] Scrap the Torqui Leb Lagans and replace with three Renaissance-A.
[X][CAT] Adopt the Mielab in its current form.
[X][BETZA] Rename the class the Artful-class, after the first unit.
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- Aotearoa
Oh, I know how it came about.
It reflects the Magen Chalal having to scrap their older Frigates and sell off the Egillahs cheap to other members following budget cuts post the war, leaving them with that large surplus crew. But that's not really material here.
What I'm wondering is if something could be done about the ever-increasing surplus their plans will result in.
TBH they might struggle to use their crew income up even doing purely new builds, so I wondered if there is any give and take between infra points and crew income in the MWCD build model.
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- Mid-Atlantic
Maybe events in the short-term future of the region will result in some kind of defense pact between (say) the Ked Peddah, the OSA, and one or more other polities up there, comparable to the STO? The Ked Peddah could contribute trained spacers to fill out the crews on other people's ships.
[They might not be fully up on the 'prudence' of such a move, but on the other hand it's not prudent to have valuable assets going to waste for lack of the means to put them into use, now is it?]
[They might not be fully up on the 'prudence' of such a move, but on the other hand it's not prudent to have valuable assets going to waste for lack of the means to put them into use, now is it?]
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- Aotearoa
Perhaps. It doesn't relate directly to the viability of a HTO, but I don't think many polities have crew as their limiting factor.
In any case, The Magen Chalal right now in 2325 Q1 have a larger crew reserve/surplus than the entirety of Starfleet (counting both regular and EC crew).
- Location
- Washington DC
Running a Starfleet recruitment drive on a member species with significant spare crew seems reasonable to me. Run it the same way as the one shot EC recruitment drive:
[Request Temporary Explorer Corps Recruitment Drive, 25pp, (Gain 2 Officer, 2 Enlisted, 2 Techs, PLUS Convert 2 Officer, 2 Enlisted, 2 Techs from normal service)]
but have it pull from the member species and push to regular fleet manning pools. Or futz with the numbers a bit, make it bigger, don't make new bodies appear from the void, whatever, but it definitely looks like a doable thing.
ETA: maybe make it a regular Snakepit option, with a cost inverse to the manpower surplus of the species in question.
[Request Temporary Explorer Corps Recruitment Drive, 25pp, (Gain 2 Officer, 2 Enlisted, 2 Techs, PLUS Convert 2 Officer, 2 Enlisted, 2 Techs from normal service)]
but have it pull from the member species and push to regular fleet manning pools. Or futz with the numbers a bit, make it bigger, don't make new bodies appear from the void, whatever, but it definitely looks like a doable thing.
ETA: maybe make it a regular Snakepit option, with a cost inverse to the manpower surplus of the species in question.
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They should probably build more berths, or ask for help to build more berths, or start renting berths. I see they plan to pay 10 infra for some new berths, that's a good start. They should perhaps consider converting their repair yard into a regular yard.
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- Mid-Atlantic
Hmm. It sounds like it might work better as a MWCO option, maybe we can see it next year for that? Because setting up a personnel pipeline by which some small percentage of the Ked Peddah spacer surplus can be cross-trained into Starfleet in exchange for... whatever the Ked Peddah would like... seems like exactly the kind of thing Starfleet and the Ked Peddah fleet might negotiate between themselves via the MWCO's offices.
- Location
- Aotearoa
There are 19 Orahs to refit, so 19 berth-years. So, yes, more berths is good- get through the refits faster and back to new builds. In theory.
In practice, the Magen Chalal 130BR/85SR income basically equates to building one large Frigate/year (probably consuming 8-10 crew) while they instead have Large Cruiser/Medium Explorer annual crew income (O4.5/E5.5/T5.5). This is what I wondered if was fungible with Infrastructure at all.
Using that 8-10 crew would be If they were building new ships, which they're not-
the only new build they are apparently planning to start in the next five years is the single Cargo Freighter starting this quarter.What they really need is an Adrazzi Gulf style Bonanza...
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Hand them PLY-5000 in Snakepit and have them argue about how imprudent it is.
e: Maybe the 5x Amby launch will result in a bonanza of colony sites.
e: Maybe the 5x Amby launch will result in a bonanza of colony sites.
- Location
- Washington DC
I mean, there's space around them for them to expand. We can do some exploring and mapping expeditions in the nearby space. You know, with our infinite free time. And our surplus hulls that are just sitting around.
ETA: on a more serious note - do we have a mechanism to cede either whole mining colonies or claims on potential mining colonies to member polities? Or to Affiliates, for that matter? There are a few mining colony sites near the Sydraxians that we're ignoring that could make nice gifts.
ETA: on a more serious note - do we have a mechanism to cede either whole mining colonies or claims on potential mining colonies to member polities? Or to Affiliates, for that matter? There are a few mining colony sites near the Sydraxians that we're ignoring that could make nice gifts.
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- Aotearoa
Well, I want(ed) to send two of our new EC Ambies on separate Five Year Missions, each looping up and around either side of the Harmony, looking for new friends (and now delivering warnings to potential allies).
Theunderbolt
"Prepare for trouble..."
- Location
- USoA
[X][PRIORITY] Star-Kin: Refit Monastery as Long-Term
[X][PRIORITY] Caldonians: Refit old Science Cruisers as Long-Term
[X][PRIORITY] Orions: Move Inc Crew/Res to Medium Term
[X][PRIORITY] STO: Increase BR/SR as Medium-Term
[X][ORION] Adopt Project Emerald as a new light frigate, capable of being built in 600kt berths. (+10 pp)
[X][ORION] Support development of a Miranda-B variant (-10 pp cost to a Miranda-B refit, Starfleet must refit and transfer one Miranda-B to the Orion Union as soon as the project is complete, in an Orion berth if necessary, but at Starfleet expense).
[X][ORION] Adopt Kepler as a new scout frigate, building in 2.25 years, with crew cost O2 E3 T4.
[X][ORION] Adopt Project Greenleaf as a new skirmish frigate, with build time 2 years, cost 80-85 BR & 55-65 SR, and crew cost O1 E2 T2. (+10 pp)
[X][ORION] Wait to refit existing cruisers
[X][LAIO] Support the construction of a shipyard. (-11 pp, Laio Shipyard with 1x2mt berth will be built at Laian)
[X][FRIGATE] Adopt Project Emerald (-5 pp for facilitating technical assistance, prototype begins production in 2325Q3 at Bidva, -70 br, -55 sr OR additional -15 pp to arrange a resource transfer from the Honiani)
[X][FRIGATE] Back the Miranda-B project (-2 pp cost to a Miranda-B refit, Starfleet must refit and transfer a Miranda-B to the Laians as soon as the project is complete (in a Laian berth if necessary, but at Starfleet expense))
[X][FRIGATE] Transfer mothballed Amarki frigates to the Laians (-2 pp for facilitating minor technical assistance; Laio acquires 2 Brieca-As and scraps three frigates, in 2325Q1, reduce the br & sr cost of any other [FRIGATE] option taken by 90 br & 55 sr (or additional pp cost by 15 pp))
[X][STO] Adopt the Torqui Leb Lagan Flight II (C7 S7 H4 L6 P7 D7, 200 br 140 sr 6O 6E 5T, 35 br & 35 sr refit cost) and refit in 2329
[X][CAT] Adopt Project Carbon (Requires shipyard upgrades to produce at home, -10 pp to rent an Orion berth for the initial build)
[X][BETZA] Rename the class the Bird of Paradise, as an analog to the Klingon Bird-of-Prey but for much more peaceful ends.
[X][PRIORITY] Caldonians: Refit old Science Cruisers as Long-Term
[X][PRIORITY] Orions: Move Inc Crew/Res to Medium Term
[X][PRIORITY] STO: Increase BR/SR as Medium-Term
[X][ORION] Adopt Project Emerald as a new light frigate, capable of being built in 600kt berths. (+10 pp)
[X][ORION] Support development of a Miranda-B variant (-10 pp cost to a Miranda-B refit, Starfleet must refit and transfer one Miranda-B to the Orion Union as soon as the project is complete, in an Orion berth if necessary, but at Starfleet expense).
[X][ORION] Adopt Kepler as a new scout frigate, building in 2.25 years, with crew cost O2 E3 T4.
[X][ORION] Adopt Project Greenleaf as a new skirmish frigate, with build time 2 years, cost 80-85 BR & 55-65 SR, and crew cost O1 E2 T2. (+10 pp)
[X][ORION] Wait to refit existing cruisers
[X][LAIO] Support the construction of a shipyard. (-11 pp, Laio Shipyard with 1x2mt berth will be built at Laian)
[X][FRIGATE] Adopt Project Emerald (-5 pp for facilitating technical assistance, prototype begins production in 2325Q3 at Bidva, -70 br, -55 sr OR additional -15 pp to arrange a resource transfer from the Honiani)
[X][FRIGATE] Back the Miranda-B project (-2 pp cost to a Miranda-B refit, Starfleet must refit and transfer a Miranda-B to the Laians as soon as the project is complete (in a Laian berth if necessary, but at Starfleet expense))
[X][FRIGATE] Transfer mothballed Amarki frigates to the Laians (-2 pp for facilitating minor technical assistance; Laio acquires 2 Brieca-As and scraps three frigates, in 2325Q1, reduce the br & sr cost of any other [FRIGATE] option taken by 90 br & 55 sr (or additional pp cost by 15 pp))
[X][STO] Adopt the Torqui Leb Lagan Flight II (C7 S7 H4 L6 P7 D7, 200 br 140 sr 6O 6E 5T, 35 br & 35 sr refit cost) and refit in 2329
[X][CAT] Adopt Project Carbon (Requires shipyard upgrades to produce at home, -10 pp to rent an Orion berth for the initial build)
[X][BETZA] Rename the class the Bird of Paradise, as an analog to the Klingon Bird-of-Prey but for much more peaceful ends.
Yeah, we just vote to do it in Snakepit and get paid a small amount of pp for it. The problem is mining colonies are the primary way our own budget increases, so we tend to hoard them. Our colonies also operate at a greater bonus than member colonies, so we get more resources out of them than they do.
To expand on SWBs answer, here is the option we were presented with last Snake Pit:
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- Hoff
[X][FRIGATE] Adopt Project Emerald (-5 pp for facilitating technical assistance, prototype begins production in 2325Q3 at Bidva, -70 br, -55 sr OR additional -15 pp to arrange a resource transfer from the Honiani)
[X][FRIGATE] Back the Miranda-B project (-2 pp cost to a Miranda-B refit, Starfleet must refit and transfer a Miranda-B to the Laians as soon as the project is complete (in a Laian berth if necessary, but at Starfleet expense))
[X][FRIGATE] Transfer mothballed Amarki frigates to the Laians (-2 pp for facilitating minor technical assistance; Laio acquires 2 Brieca-As and scraps three frigates, in 2325Q1, reduce the br & sr cost of any other [FRIGATE] option taken by 90 br & 55 sr (or additional pp cost by 15 pp))
[X][STO] Adopt the Torqui Leb Lagan Flight II (C7 S7 H4 L6 P7 D7, 200 br 140 sr 6O 6E 5T, 35 br & 35 sr refit cost) and refit in 2329
[X][BETZA] Rename the class the Artful-class, after the first unit.
Down with the meme.
[X][FRIGATE] Back the Miranda-B project (-2 pp cost to a Miranda-B refit, Starfleet must refit and transfer a Miranda-B to the Laians as soon as the project is complete (in a Laian berth if necessary, but at Starfleet expense))
[X][FRIGATE] Transfer mothballed Amarki frigates to the Laians (-2 pp for facilitating minor technical assistance; Laio acquires 2 Brieca-As and scraps three frigates, in 2325Q1, reduce the br & sr cost of any other [FRIGATE] option taken by 90 br & 55 sr (or additional pp cost by 15 pp))
[X][STO] Adopt the Torqui Leb Lagan Flight II (C7 S7 H4 L6 P7 D7, 200 br 140 sr 6O 6E 5T, 35 br & 35 sr refit cost) and refit in 2329
[X][BETZA] Rename the class the Artful-class, after the first unit.
Down with the meme.
- Location
- Washington DC
That's fair. I'm just looking at the map and seeing a bunch of colony sites that I seem to recall having been potentials for a good long while up in the Gabriel area. Though now that I'm looking back at older Snakepit posts, I'm starting to be a bit confused. Did we already pass off say, 32 Baker? Or 18 Levar V-4? They're in the white that signifies available site, but they aren't in the Snakepit option list (at least, for the last two years; working back through the threadmarks is kind of a pain; still working my way back).
On a different note: I know I've seen a color coded spreadsheet screenshot of shipyards and what they're building when. Is that a public spreadsheet? If so, where is it?
On a different note: I know I've seen a color coded spreadsheet screenshot of shipyards and what they're building when. Is that a public spreadsheet? If so, where is it?
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
The problem with mining colonies in the Gabriel Expanse is that if your specific member species doesn't have a significant presence IN the Gabriel Expanse, the logistics of establishing a resource colony out there are prohibitive. It's a very long trip for supply ships either way. The Apiata (who are close by) and the Amarki (who made a large scale commitment) were the two big member world powers that got a lot out of the Gabriel Expanse, though the Caitians got in later and... did Earth? I don't remember.
In any case, we can't just offer the Ked Peddah a mining colony site on the far side of our space and expect it to do them a lot of favors; it could take years for them to put together the infrastructure to make such an operation pay and even then it might not bring in much more resources than it cost to operate, I suspect.
In any case, we can't just offer the Ked Peddah a mining colony site on the far side of our space and expect it to do them a lot of favors; it could take years for them to put together the infrastructure to make such an operation pay and even then it might not bring in much more resources than it cost to operate, I suspect.
Also note the keyword "nearby" in the Snakepit option.
That sweet 10pp bribe though!
Anyway, this should be my vote for now. I'll add in Priorities later after I've thought about it...
[X][ORION] Adopt Project Emerald as a new light frigate, capable of being built in 600kt berths. (+10 pp)
[X][ORION] Support development of a Miranda-B variant (-10 pp cost to a Miranda-B refit, Starfleet must refit and transfer one Miranda-B to the Orion Union as soon as the project is complete, in an Orion berth if necessary, but at Starfleet expense).
[X][ORION] Adopt Kepler as a new scout frigate, building in 2.25 years, with crew cost O2 E3 T4.
[X][ORION] Adopt Project Greenleaf as a new skirmish frigate, with build time 2 years, cost 80-85 BR & 55-65 SR, and crew cost O1 E2 T2. (+10 pp)
[X][ORION] Adopt Comet as a new skirmish frigate, with build time 2.5 years, cost 105 BR & 75 SR, and crew cost O2 E3 T3.
[X][ORION] Wait to refit existing cruisers
[X][LAIO] Support the construction of a shipyard complex. (-54 pp, Laio Shipyard with 1x2mt berth, 2x1mt berths will be built at Laian)
[X][FRIGATE] Adopt Project Emerald (-5 pp for facilitating technical assistance, prototype begins production in 2325Q3 at Bidva, -70 br, -55 sr OR additional -15 pp to arrange a resource transfer from the Honiani)
[X][FRIGATE] Back the Miranda-B project (-2 pp cost to a Miranda-B refit, Starfleet must refit and transfer a Miranda-B to the Laians as soon as the project is complete (in a Laian berth if necessary, but at Starfleet expense))
[X][FRIGATE] Transfer mothballed Amarki frigates to the Laians (-2 pp for facilitating minor technical assistance; Laio acquires 2 Brieca-As and scraps three frigates, in 2325Q1, reduce the br & sr cost of any other [FRIGATE] option taken by 90 br & 55 sr (or additional pp cost by 15 pp))
[X][STO] Scrap the Torqui Leb Lagans and replace with three Renaissance-A.
[X][CAT] Adopt Project Carbon (Requires shipyard upgrades to produce at home, -10 pp to rent an Orion berth for the initial build)
[X][BETZA] Rename the class the Artful-class, after the first unit.
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- Washington DC
Oh, I'm not suggesting we give the Ked Peddah anything in the Gabriel Expanse; quick glance at the map shows basically nothing near them to cede. I was working out from the specific to the general (which is why I asked about tossing colonies to Affiliates) and then I got distracted by the number of unclaimed colonies in the GBZ, then I got more distracted when I couldn't figure out who has claims on those unbuilt colonies...There was a train of thought that didn't get completely communicated.
- Location
- Aotearoa
The Member one is linked in Anons MWCD post.