[] Grief tub extensions
-[] Gather up all the rogue bubbles and drop them on Yuma.

[] You're also working on abolishing Hell, so no, Kyoko isn't going there.
 
Like... Look at how annoyed Kyouko is getting? There is no way that 'please talk to Mami' can reasonably go worse than continuing to dance around the point. She's getting tired of the constant evasions and diversions and given how long we've spent doing those I think it'll be more than clear that we're not doing this out of some Machiavellian scheme or what have you.

Seriously people, the last 3-5 votes have amounted to the exact same thing. Sabrina is doing basically nothing but repeating herself and Kyouko is getting quite rightfully pissed at us over it.
 
I second just flat out telling her to talk with Mami at this point.

(That way, if she goes "what the hell?!" we can smugly shoot back "you asked me what I want, I answered" and she won't be able to deny it. Ha, checkmate, tsundere-chan.)
 
She asked what we wanted. She knows we like to dream big too.

Also the quite was a dead give away. Always a bad sign for children.

We can also just you know... Tell her we are a really hard time reading her?

Like even with the past knowledge we can't really... Guess at what she's thinking.

Why don't we want to ask her for stuff? I feel like laying that out, even if it upsets her a little bit, would be better than dancy prancing around it even more.

Edit: we should probably also make it clear were dating Mami. For no other reason than she will almost certainly appreciate our stake in her happiness if we do.
 
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She asked what we wanted. She knows we like to dream big too.

Also the quite was a dead give away. Always a bad sign for children.

We can also just you know... Tell her we are a really hard time reading her?

Like even with the past knowledge we can't really... Guess at what she's thinking.

Why don't we want to ask her for stuff? I feel like laying that out, even if it upsets her a little bit, would be better than dancy prancing around it even more.

Edit: we should probably also make it clear were dating Mami. For no other reason than she will almost certainly appreciate our stake in her happiness if we do.
I don't know if I'm reading it right, but the impression I've been getting the last few updates is that Kyouko wants, even needs, to do something. And we're kinda rejecting that desire out of hand at all turns.
 
I'm not in a state where I can think about this and it's looking like I might not be for... A while. idk. My head problems and I are finally just outright trying to kill each other and it's so, so distracting... Yeah.

I'm probably just going to proxy Godwinson's for the near future.

[X] Godwinson
 
Okay, let's hit this here and now. Redshirt Army has roughly the same sort of start I was going for, so I'm going to borrow that.

[X] There doesn't have to be a problem. I'm not gonna push you to do this as my "favour" or whatever, but frankly, with what I know? You and Mami can work things out when that day comes.
[X] See, Mami responds poorly whenever you're brought up because up until I showed up, everyone in her life had eventually left her, or had been abusing her trust. She gets upset because she blames herself for not being able to help you, and for how poorly the two of you parted. Because even with you picking a horrible thing to outrage her over to get her to drive you away -- and no, I know that's part of what that argument was about -- she felt horrible for doing so.
[X] That's how I know that you and Mami can rebuild your friendship. Because Mami never wanted it to end in the first place, and the only reason you wanted it to end was because you were trying to punish yourself.
 
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[] See, Mami responds poorly whenever you're brought up because up until I showed up, everyone in her life had eventually left her, or had been abusing her trust. She gets upset because she blames herself for not being able to help you, and for how poorly the two of you parted. Because even with you picking a horrible thing to outrage her over to get her to drive you away -- and no, I know that's part of what that argument was about -- she felt horrible for doing so.

This feels horribly invasive. Like Sabrina should not be the one saying this stuff.
 
Okay, let's hit this here and now. Redshirt Army has roughly the same sort of start I was going for, so I'm going to borrow that.

[X] There doesn't have to be a problem. I'm not gonna push you to do this as my "favour" or whatever, but frankly, with what I know? You and Mami can work things out.
[X] See, Mami responds poorly whenever you're brought up because up until I showed up, everyone in her life had eventually left her, or had been abusing her trust. She gets upset because she blames herself for not being able to help you, and for how poorly the two of you parted. Because even with you picking a horrible thing to outrage her over to get her to drive you away -- and no, I know that's part of what that argument was about -- she felt horrible for doing so.
[X] That's how I know that you and Mami can rebuild your friendship. Because Mami never wanted it to end in the first place, and the only reason you wanted it to end was because you were trying to punish yourself.
Pump the breaks a bit there man jeeze.

Also, saying "don't do this as a favor, but I think you should totally do this is kind of... Tactless? Also maybe a little manipulative?
 
I... Don't like that first line. We've said the same things enough times already and adding one last 'but really I don't want to push you into something' is just pointless.

Also the third line seems... Doesn't fit? The grammar is bugging me.

This is how I'd write that vote, middle line stays the same, but changed the first and third.

[X] *Deep breath, sigh* I want you to try and talk to Mami, make a genuine effort to be friends with her again.
[X] Mami responds badly whenever you're brought up because until I showed up, everyone in her life had eventually left her, or had been abusing her trust. She gets upset because she blames herself for not being able to help you, and for how poorly the two of you parted. Because even with you picking a horrible thing to outrage her over to get her to drive you away -- and no, I know that's part of what that argument was about -- she felt horrible for doing so.
[X] Mami never wanted to end your friendship in the first place, and I'm pretty sure the only reason you wanted it to end was because you were trying to punish yourself. So I want you to go back and make an honest effort at rebuilding it, because... She really could use more friends...
 
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Pump the breaks a bit there man jeeze.

Also, saying "don't do this as a favor, but I think you should totally do this is kind of... Tactless? Also maybe a little manipulative?

I don't know if I'm reading it right, but the impression I've been getting the last few updates is that Kyouko wants, even needs, to do something. And we're kinda rejecting that desire out of hand at all turns.

ZX, We've tried to tell her that we don't want her to owe anything. Kyoko pushed back every time.
 
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I think it works fine. Kyoko knows what the issue she brought up is and should know what saying it doesn't have to be a problem means.

It's not the 'there doesn't have to be a problem' bit it's the 'You and Mami can work things out when that day comes.' bit. We haven't said anything about her talking to Mami before this point, and that line is a really awkward and roundabout introduction to the topic.
 
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