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Base Power: 375 Million (At Cap).
Super Saiyan Boost: 145-750 Million (At Cap).
Total Transformed SSJ Power: 1.125 Billion.
Oozaru Power Level: 750 million (At Cap, speed of 375 million, durability and strength of 1.125 Billion).
Golden Oozaru Power Level: 1.5 Billion (At Cap, speed of 750 million, durability and strength of 2.25 Billion).
Masqued Power Level: 300 Million (Increasable through Masque acclimation).
Shade Power Level: 1/20th of normal, able to use all forms.
So in order of increasing power level, our shade stats are:
Masqued - 15 million
Base - 18.75 million
SSJ - 56.25 million
Oozaru - 18.75/56.25 million speed/strength
GO - 37.5/112.5 million speed/strength

@PoptartProdigy apologies if it's been asked before, but can we train our Masque whilst we're a shade?
 
There are no wrong choices, remember?
Just because there are no 'trap' choices that result in inevitable disaster, and no 'wrong' choices that are clearly unambiguously a bad idea, doesn't mean that there are no risk-reward balances. "No option is wrong" doesn't mean "all options are safe," and I'd be at least vaguely disappointed if all options were truly 100% safe, frankly.

Moreover, my desire to not go to Hell isn't just because I would expect disaster to occur there. There's more to it than that.

So far as we know, nobody we want to see is in Hell.* And Hell contains quite a few people Kakara is unlikely to enjoy meeting. Even if she isn't in personal danger going there, it is not a place to be. It is a home for infinite losers. Not for Kakara, who is only a finite loser at the moment.
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*I mean, maybe Frieza, but honestly he's not number one on my list of people I want to see, and I doubt he's on most people's. That doesn't mean I'm against ever seeking him out, but... maybe not RIGHT now?

Probably the worst person to ask, but maybe he's refined it over the thousands of years of being dead.
He's the only specific ancestor of Kakara's, whose name I know, who has Sight.

No pretty sure we do.
I had honestly forgotten that, as it was mentioned in passing as part of a massive salt-glacier affair. Perhaps my memory of it was trapped in the salt, and washed out to sea with the salt, yesterday.

I am not sure about going to the androids or the space saiyans because if they can't train us into something better, they would take years to reach Garenhuld like the aliens and scouts if we can even convince them to come.
I don't know about that...

1) There may be faster space drives than the ones the alien fleet and its scouts were using. Remember that the alien fleet is huge and ramshackle. Even by sending a few specialized scout ships they arrived years earlier than the main fleet. Poptart has alluded to the possibility of faster space drives, too.

2) Kakara, personally, has Instant Transmission and a good ki sense. She might be able to fetch people to Garenhuld very, very quickly, even from interstellar distances, if she had a ki signature to lock onto. She may not be able to teleport FROM Garenhuld to any place interesting because we specifically picked a world surrounded by dead star systems, but that doesn't mean she can't teleport TO Garenhuld by some combination of techniques including 'relay race' methods. And she could bring help with her, such as the androids.

ANYWAYS, does anyone else get the impression that Dandeer wanted all FPSS under control to overcharge her spell to make up for her lack of resources and we screwed her not only by leaving her without the loved figurehead that Kakara is but because she was already ploting to have our sealed self use spirit saiyan for it instead?
This is distinctly likely and a very good reason why Future Kakara specifically urged us to escape off-planet in spirit rather than pursuing any other conceivable strategy.

[Edit: Food for thought. Yammar was pretty sure he would be killed. Those Below might also include him.
He may not be killed instantly (e.g. Dandeer may want to keep him around as a battery pack). It would probably best to wait a little while, until we've anchored ourselves and have a bit more control over where we are and what we're doing. Then we can try to scry out what happened to Yammar and contact him.

Right now, Yammar may still be alive and magically shackled to a table in Dandeer's lab for use as a battery pack. In which case visiting him might involve bringing our shade into close proximity to Dandeer, and Carrick Balor warned us that a powerful sorceror has a chance of trapping or harming a shade.
 
[X]Old Friends
[X]New Friends
[X]Old Family
[X]New Family
[X]Those Above
[X]Those Below

Friends, Family, Spirits beyond, I'm coming for you! ...We can have a tea party!
 
[X] Those above.

I'm also a fan of
[ ] New family.
[ ] Old enemies.
[] Old friends.
[] Old family.

And will happily vote for them as well as this if something I like less seems to be winning, but we're carrying around Dazazel right now and I'd very much rather not have him around when we're meeting new people. Unless I miss my guess, picking "Those above" first will also probably be useful help in, say, proving our identity to the namekians and 17/18, is probably the best way to train our combat skills, and I think Kakara would really appreciate talking to Gohan right now.


So in order of increasing power level, our shade stats are:
Masqued - 15 million
Base - 18.75 million
SSJ - 56.25 million
Oozaru - 18.75/56.25 million speed/strength
GO - 37.5/112.5 million speed/strength

@PoptartProdigy apologies if it's been asked before, but can we train our Masque whilst we're a shade?

Huh, I new we were still fairly strong, but it kinda didn't click until I saw that. Even leaving aside super fast shade travel, we should be more than capable of of dealing with most threats around.
 
So in order of increasing power level, our shade stats are:
Masqued - 15 million
Base - 18.75 million
SSJ - 56.25 million
Oozaru - 18.75/56.25 million speed/strength
GO - 37.5/112.5 million speed/strength

@PoptartProdigy apologies if it's been asked before, but can we train our Masque whilst we're a shade?
Doesn't seem like there'd be any reason you couldn't.
 
He's the only specific ancestor of Kakara's, whose name I know, who has Sight.
I know...my point was that he isn't very good with it, but then I noted how he's been dead for well over 1000 years due to dying in the past and could have gotten good.


I had honestly forgotten that, as it was mentioned in passing as part of a massive salt-glacier affair. Perhaps my memory of it was trapped in the salt, and washed out to sea with the salt, yesterday.
Its been a wild couple of weeks.
 
Me thinks you may have miswritten that.

Still ME VOTES!

[X] Old Family
[X] Old enemies.
[X] Those above.

Dunno if I've ever seriously voted in this.


Because I want to meet Freiza!

No seriously if he's tied up in hell I wanna meet him and convince him to teach us to be an amazing fighter! If there's no wrong choices we might as well :)

More seriously Freiza as I understand after putting some effort in is one of the more skilled fighters in DBZ an area in which Kakara lacks quite a bit, and the dichotomy between Frieza the genocidal maniac and Kakara the pacifist is something I'd find interesting to explore.

Dunno if it is Freiza, but still.
Freeza is talented, but I wouldn't consider him skilled.

Let me unpack that. Freeza has rediculous natural ki talent. He hit 120 million without ever training a day in his life, and was able to catch up to blue Goku and vegeta after 6 months of training; not match them, admittedly, and he almost certainly took advantage of low-lying fruit, but considering how much longer they had been training for it's extremely impressive.

In terms of skill, however, I wouldn't consider him anything exceptional. If you watch Goku vs freeza on namek, Goku completely outclassed freeza in skill, and only power allows freeza to keep an edge; once that power gap vanished, Goku easily controlled the fight. Even when training for ressurectiom F, he still has no one of equal skill to spar against and probably has to pick up most of his techniques from first principle. Since the ToP, he's had essentially no reason to heavily train, bar maybe the events of the broly movie. I would not be surprised if Freeza was now significantly more skilled that he was then, just because of how much time has passed, but I would put him way below the people we would meet in otherworld there.


This isn't to say I would mind meeting him, at all, nor that I think picking old enemies is a poor decision; I just didn't want you to have an idea that he'd be the person to ask about style training of the like.
 
[X] Old Friends

Something to keep in mind is that tempers are going to be running high amongst the Garenhulders and Senzu Clan members. We should probably go convince them not to do anything stupid.
 
[X] Old family.
[X] New enemies.
[X] Those above.

I'm... really looking forward to Kakara meeting her Ancestors, and actually connecting with them on a personal level beyond her pep-talk earlier. That seems like something that'll be really cool to see play out. However, I also think we should try to give the incoming aliens at least some kind of warning- if only because I don't trust Dandeer not to try using her thralls to wipe out the fleet but screw it up and allow proof of Garenhuld's Saiyans to leak back to the wider galaxy.
 
[X] Old friends.
[X] New family.
[X] Those above.
[X] New friends.
 
[X] Those below.
[X] Those Above.
[X] Old family.


The old that is strong does not wither, and deep roots are untouched by the frost.
 
Honestly, my gut instinct here is to just go for Those Above and see what it does. Remember, we're a shade right now-we can basically cheat our way out of situations that would otherwise be untenable. If it leads us to a situation that we Do Not Want, we can bug out and try something new. In spite if this, I am very much opposed to both enemy options. as well as Those Below. Kakara does not not need yet more foes to face.

The enemies likely exist whether we look at them or not. Gaining intel on possible threats is not a bad thing.

[X] Those Above

[X] Old Family

[X] Old Friends

Now is REALLY NOT THE TIME, @chryssalideater @thamuzz . We can meet new people and make friends and all that good stuff later, right now, we need to find someone we can trust. Enemies are not people we can trust. New Friends could be acceptable, but I don't trust the Sight enough to give it something that incredibly vague.

In other news, The Missing Saiyans has a shiny new update for any of ye interested.

... Can you not randomly shill your quest in another quest thread? Like, that's really obnoxious behavior. If people want to read your quest, they can watch that thread.

[X] New Friends
[X] Old Friends
...Frieza is completely unskilled, he relies entirely on brute force.

He was a master of his style in the interlude in this quest, so he definitely has skill.

To them and everyone else in the thread: I KNOW. I know. I have literally spent my entire life being told variations on exactly what you all are, that i need to "chill out" to "stop taking it personally" and all the other condescending bu;llshit, and you know what? I tried. I did the breathing exercises, and couldn't hold in the shouting. I counted to ten, and I was just even more angry. I left the room, and all I could do was scream in frustration because no-one will leave me alone. I went to play something else, and got screamed at for it because mom thinks everything with a screen is part of some conspiracy to brainwash all children into angry thugs. If you think I'm being an asshole now, and I know I am, it's downright civil compared to how I get in person. I have a grand total of two actual friends, and half of what time I get to spend with them is them trying to help me calm down.

To be blunt, this is not SVs problem. Everyone has issues in their life. It sucks, and it sounds like you have serious problems.

The rules, however, do not hinge on how bad you personally have it. If you can't participate within the bounds of the rules, which include being civil, you will be infracted. The more points you pick up, the longer you will be suspended, and if you continue to accrue points without improvement, you may eventually be permabanned. Staff cannot tell whether you genuinely cannot control yourself or are just saying that to get out trouble.

We once had rules allowing 'reasonable frustration', letting people be uncivil if them being uncivil had an understanble emotional basis, in essence. The environment resulting from that, I'm told, was quite toxic, so those rules went away.

I personally believe you are likely telling the truth, but the rules stand all the same. Whether you like it or not, breaking the rules will interfere with your ability to participate. We can't make a distinction between 'can follow the rules but refuses to' and 'can't follow the rules'. Staff is not made of mind readers.

Freeza is talented, but I wouldn't consider him skilled.

Let me unpack that. Freeza has rediculous natural ki talent. He hit 120 million without ever training a day in his life, and was able to catch up to blue Goku and vegeta after 6 months of training; not match them, admittedly, and he almost certainly took advantage of low-lying fruit, but considering how much longer they had been training for it's extremely impressive.

In terms of skill, however, I wouldn't consider him anything exceptional. If you watch Goku vs freeza on namek, Goku completely outclassed freeza in skill, and only power allows freeza to keep an edge; once that power gap vanished, Goku easily controlled the fight. Even when training for ressurectiom F, he still has no one of equal skill to spar against and probably has to pick up most of his techniques from first principle. Since the ToP, he's had essentially no reason to heavily train, bar maybe the events of the broly movie. I would not be surprised if Freeza was now significantly more skilled that he was then, just because of how much time has passed, but I would put him way below the people we would meet in otherworld there.


This isn't to say I would mind meeting him, at all, nor that I think picking old enemies is a poor decision; I just didn't want you to have an idea that he'd be the person to ask about style training of the like.

As I said above, he was a Master at his style in the interlude, so he presumably has at least some skills.

In any event.

[X] Those Below.

[X] New Enemies.

[X] Old Enemies.

[X] New Family.
 
[X] New family.

We know most of the situations of our old family (living and dead), so I'm most interested in who "new family" is.
 
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