No, in the long term I think you'll have worse luck with that as well. Because some of these people may be willing to surrender to be arrested if you promise to such-and-such in return, but not if they know you'll say any lie that suits you if it leads to their capture.
It's such rhetoric that makes me think that you don't understand the main thrust of my argument that honesty is about benefitting *us*, not about benefitting the persons we are honest to.
The only question I'm really interested in asking her is the basic "Did you never consider the obvious method of getting your sister back by working with someone else?"
If she isn't interested in the obviously workable option, that should say something, whether it's that she's irredeemable or that shes been lied to awfully well.
...
Simply, she's told us her problem. We should point out the obvious solution and see if she bites. If she doesn't, drop the privacy sphere and timestop conference.
[X] Verbally agree.
-[X] One last thing though: did she never consider that she could have just bribed a potential? Fulfil their wish and then some in exchange for their wish to bring her sister back?
[X] Listen to her response. If it isn't extraordinary, drop the privacy sphere and call for timestop.
[X] Drop the sphere and call timestop.
[X] Meeting: Homu Saya Mami Brina
-[X] Explain the content of the conversation you just had, as well as relevant background (Nadia)
Right, but do we actually need to give our word to Rionna to take her out? It seems to me that we mostly just... don't.
I don't think there's much she'll be willing to tell us without being forced to anyway, and Sayaka can probably provide most of the answers Rionna otherwise could, so... what's the point in lying about some nebulous future meeting we have no intentions of actually having?
I have intentions of having a meeting in which we demand Riona makes up for her shit by giving us the answers we need.
I believe we have to, that it's too important to settle for less if we can get crucial information we need, and I doubt Sayaka can give us as good information as Riona can.
Maybe Mami, Homura and Sayaka will cancel that plan wholesale, but maybe not. Maybe we can get much needed answers to what's up with our Soul, with Oriko's Soul, with the Clear Seeds, with the Feather. Anything we can get can be crucial.
If it comes down to it, it's not honoring my word to monsters that gives my word value. Personally, I think that'd be backwards.
No, in the long term I think you'll have worse luck with that as well. Because some of these people may be willing to surrender to be arrested if you promise to such-and-such in return, but not if they know you'll say any lie that suits you if it leads to their capture.
It's such rhetoric that makes me think that you don't understand the main thrust of my argument that honesty is about benefitting *us*, not about benefitting the persons we are honest to.
The people we're out to help are far more important, and they deserve to know we don't deal with the monsters that prey on them, that we don't honor them, that we'll take care of them swiftly and by any means necessary.
Plus, the people that 'may be willing to surrender' are not the ones that are in danger from us, and it's up to out PR to make that known.
[X] Verbally agree.
-[X] One last thing though: did she never consider that she could have just bribed a potential? Fulfil their wish and then some in exchange for their wish to bring her sister back?
[X] Listen to her response. If it isn't extraordinary, drop the privacy sphere and call for timestop.
[X] Drop the sphere and call timestop.
[X] Meeting: Homu Saya Mami Brina
-[X] Explain the content of the conversation you just had, as well as relevant background (Nadia)
While I'm not voting for this for reasons I've repeated ad naseum, I want to verbally support this vote. I find it much more likely to work than your previous version.
You can tag everyone currently voting for me so they see this if you want.
@Onmur
I'm afraid I'm not going to accept "break to voting" options this vote. As I said - I want to get this over with, and if it means letting Brinapilot run for a while longer, that's what's going to happen.
@Onmur
I'm afraid I'm not going to accept "break to voting" options this vote. As I said - I want to get this over with, and if it means letting Brinapilot run for a while longer, that's what's going to happen.
Uh. Doesn't Kai's vote similarly fail to expand on Sabrina's personal opinion during the timestop talk? With an extra breakpoint in case Rionna has an "extraordinary" answer to what her take on sister resurrection is, even?
[] This is unacceptable, you've tried, maybe there are more things you could try, but you can't sit here forever trying to turn this girl off of a path she's been walking for years.
-[] Call a timestop meeting, discuss this with Mami, Sayaka, and Homura, explain everything as evenly and fairly as possible, but ultimately, this is most likely to be a strategy session on how to take Rionna out.
-[] Try to convince Homuhomu to let Kirika in on the planning as well, her antimagic could be incredibly useful.
KB will likely use this against us, so we will have to start throwing our word around. Talk with Nadia, with all our friends and allies, let them know what Riona is, and why we chose to do a public service to the world.
Our word shouldn't have worth for unrepentant murderers and those on that level of humanity.
I'm a bit uneasy telling the world what Riona did, in a generalize statement sure but any personal details we learn should be kept private between Sabrina and her.
I'm a bit uneasy telling the world what Riona did, in a generalize statement sure but any personal details we learn should be kept private between Sabrina and her.
Uh. Doesn't Kai's vote similarly fail to expand on Sabrina's personal opinion during the timestop talk? With an extra breakpoint in case Rionna has an "extraordinary" answer to what her take on sister resurrection is, even?
I mean anything extraordinary should result in a break anyway, I just put that in there because. I can't imagine firn piloting past something meeting that definition.
Uh. Doesn't Kai's vote similarly fail to expand on Sabrina's personal opinion during the timestop talk? With an extra breakpoint in case Rionna has an "extraordinary" answer to what her take on sister resurrection is, even?
[X] Use grief to communicate with Mami, have her call for Homura to timestop now. Give Rionna no time outside of the privacy field to send commands to her shades.
-[X] While doing this, continue speaking to Rionna so as to distract her from what you're doing. Get her attention focused entirely on you.
[X] Once in timestop, bring in Sayaka. Explain what you've learned about Rionna to them. You're not going to let that stand.
-[X] Explain plan to team, ask for input and advice.
--[X] Plan: Have Sayaka enchant an antimagic box that suppresses Rionna's magic (and only Rionna's magic) with her copy of Kirika's power. Timestop degem Rionna immediately into the box. Have Sayaka copy Rionna's magic, so that we can try to put the shades to rest, and have access to someone who can diagnose soul maladies on hand. Keep Rionna's body healed and on-ice for the foreseeable future, until we've got enough other girls working with us, and stability, to try to rehabilitate her.
[X] If anything goes wrong during this plan, and Rionna looks to become combat capable again, immediately degem with all needed force.
We do not give the murderous magical girl a window of opportunity to set her mind controlled minions to havoc in a populated area, or to attack our friends. We meet with our friends and present them with a plan, but accept their advice and input.
Sabrina is pro-active.
Adhoc vote count started by Godwinson on Sep 11, 2018 at 9:58 PM, finished with 144973 posts and 43 votes.
[X] Agree to end the meeting shortly. -[X] Tell Riona you regret that she wasn't able to find what she was searching for here.
[X] Release the Field. -[X] Be attentinve in case Riona tries anything.
[X] Before letting her be, call her out and get concessions in exchange for her actions, without pissing her off too badly:
-[X] Priority: Arrange a new meeting before she leaves, with plenty of time to spare.
-[X] Priority: She does not attack nor use magic against anyone in Mitakihara.
-[X] She'll answer all our questions next meeting. [X] Leave. Get distance but stay within your sensing range. Be inconspicuous. Then:
-[X] Timestop meeting. Include Sayaka.
-[X] Explain everything. Avoid social bombs. --[X] Make it clear you'll hold back your own opinions until they've heard everything. Give as unbiased a re-telling of events as possible.
-[X] Listen to their opinions and break to voting before sharing what you want to do.
[X] Verbally agree.
-[X] One last thing though: did she never consider that she could have just bribed a potential? Fulfil their wish and then some in exchange for their wish to bring her sister back?
[X] Listen to her response. If it isn't extraordinary, drop the privacy sphere and call for timestop.
[X] Call timestop via grief.
[X] Meeting: Homu Saya Mami Brina
-[X] Explain the content of the conversation you just had, as well as relevant background (Nadia)
[X] You intend to gem her, barring objections.
-[X] and to have Sayaka copy her power from the gem.
[X] Use grief to communicate with Mami, have her call for Homura to timestop now. Give Rionna no time outside of the privacy field to send commands to her shades.
-[X] While doing this, continue speaking to Rionna so as to distract her from what you're doing. Get her attention focused entirely on you.
[X] Once in timestop, bring in Sayaka. Explain what you've learned about Rionna to them. You're not going to let that stand.
-[X] Explain plan to team, ask for input and advice.
--[X] Plan: Have Sayaka enchant an antimagic box that suppresses Rionna's magic (and only Rionna's magic) with her copy of Kirika's power. Timestop degem Rionna immediately into the box. Have Sayaka copy Rionna's magic, so that we can try to put the shades to rest, and have access to someone who can diagnose soul maladies on hand. Keep Rionna's body healed and on-ice for the foreseeable future, until we've got enough other girls working with us, and stability, to try to rehabilitate her.
[X] If anything goes wrong during this plan, and Rionna looks to become combat capable again, immediately degem with all needed force.
[X] Call Mami for an emergency timestop meeting.
[X] On timestop, make sure the whole group (Homura, Mami and Sayaka) is in the meeting
[X] Discuss the situation in timestop with Homura, Mami, and Sayaka.
[X] Agree to end the conversation, but not before calling Riona out on everything: she's crossed a lot of lines—showing up in your territory without warning, permission, or excuse, trying to mind control you without provocation, making demands in exchange for nothing...
-[X] Meanwhile, call Mami via grief for an emergency timestop meeting.
[X] On timestop, make sure the whole group (Homura, Mami and Sayaka) is in the meeting
[X] Discuss the situation in timestop with Homura, Mami, and Sayaka.
[X] Agree to end the meeting shortly. -[X] Tell Riona you regret that she wasn't able to find what she was searching for here.
[X] Release the Field.
[X] Before letting her be, call her out and get concessions in exchange for her actions, without pissing her off too badly:
-[X] Priority: Arrange a new meeting before she leaves, with plenty of time to spare.
-[X] Priority: She does not attack nor use magic against anyone in Mitakihara.
-[X] She'll answer all our questions next meeting.
[X] Go. Once you're away:
-[X] Timestop meeting. Include Sayaka.
-[X] Explain everything. Avoid social bombs. Don't take sides, be impartial.
[x] Fine. Release the isolation field. [x] Tell Riona you regret that she wasn't able to find what she was searching for here. [x] Given the circumstance, while it's regrettable, I agree it's best that you leave Mitakihara at your earliest convenience. Further I must insist that you don't create anymore shades in our city for any reason or I'm afraid conflict will be unavoidable. That said, wish her a good night. [x] Leave with Mami. You're done here. [x] When you're out a considerable range from Riona, contact Homura by phone for a timestop meeting. Update Homura and Mami of the situation. You weren't able to come to any agreement with Riona. Bring up Riona's intentions to leave in the morning and threat assessment. Avoid social bombs.
[X] Try that shit again on anyone in your territory, or hurt anyone in Mitakihara, and her life is forfeit.
[X] You'll let her go, but she's crossed a lot of lines—showing up in your territory without warning, permission, or excuse, trying to mind control you without provocation, making demands in exchange for nothing—so you'll be taking something in exchange. Your teammate is going to copy her power before she leaves this privacy sphere. It won't harm her or her power in any way, nor can it be used to track or monitor her. But you'll be getting SOMETHING out of all the trouble she's caused you.
[x] Ensure she doesn't leave this bubble under her own power, either by calling a meeting and then alpha-striking her or by alpha-striking her right now.
[X] Shrug casually
-[X] Alright. Wasn't planning on keeping you trapped anyways, anti-spy zone is for spies like QB, not you.
--[X] Release the field, hug Mami, telepathically request time-stop.
---[X] Discuss.
[X] Cleansing offer.
[X] If that's so, then when and why did she go from seeking justice to judging people without knowing their crimes, unjustly taking other people's sisters? When did she give up, and start spending her time inflicting pain instead of trying to get her sister back?
[X] Don't allow her to leave. Don't allow her to harm you. Don't allow her to harm herself. Use all means necessary.
[X] Talk to her:
-[X] There are/were options. Just as an example, she could have cut a deal with a potential, that she would fulfill their wish and some in exchange for them using their wish to bring back her sister. Somebody somewhere would go for it. Healing is a common enough wish, and not difficult to provide.
-[X] Argue that the only thing she's accomplished with her current track has been to inflict pain on others and deny herself any hope of getting what she actually wants.
-[X] Argue that the incubator tries to provoke isolation and infighting for a reason: less cooperation means less chance of people getting what they want, and thus better rates of witching. She could always punish the architect if she's not satisfied yet. A shot at that, you can provide.
[X] Plan Cautious Optimism
-[X] "I didn't intend for you to feel trapped, this is merely a privacy device to allow us to talk without being overheard by Kyubey or other parties, if it makes you feel uneasy I'll certainly turn if off although I do request that any further conversation not be about serious topics"
-[X] Simultaneously communicate with Mami using Grief and ask for a Homrua Timestop Meeting.
-[X] Grab everyone and hold a timestop meeting.
--[X] we have background music if it makes everyone feel better about spending time in timestop.
-[X] Set up preparations for dealing with Riona.
-[X] If we decide not to attack.
--[X] Get back into position and continue the meeting, take down the privacy field.
--[X] Tell Riona that in light of her circumstances, attitude and the attempted mental alteration we ask that she not attack, make shades, or use magic without permission during her time here.
--[X] Ask if she wishes to continue to talk without the privacy field.
--[X] Set up another meeting.
Don't bring the sphere down. It's pointless given the platform I'm suggesting.
Added guidance to point firn requested.
[X] Verbally agree.
-[X] One last thing though: did she never consider that she could have just bribed a potential? Fulfil their wish and then some in exchange for their wish to bring her sister back?
[X] Listen to her response. If it isn't extraordinary, drop the privacy sphere and call for timestop.
[X] Call timestop via grief.
[X] Meeting: Homu Saya Mami Brina
-[X] Explain the content of the conversation you just had, as well as relevant background (Nadia)
[X] You intend to gem her, barring objections.
-[X] and to have Sayaka copy her power from the gem.
