They rolled for it.
I'm saying that, instead of stopping to give our speach/confront Yammar we IT out the moment we lay hands on her. After all at that point we just completed an IT, our hand should still be at our head.
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Dragon Ball: After the End
They rolled for it.
I'm saying that, instead of stopping to give our speach/confront Yammar we IT out the moment we lay hands on her. After all at that point we just completed an IT, our hand should still be at our head.
KnightDisciple
Love God. Do Right. Fear No Man.
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Right, preference voting.
[X] In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Goku, during his showdown with Freeza.
[X] Not me.
[X] In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Goku, during his showdown with Freeza.
[X] Not me.
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- Australia
Yeah, I suppose those are the questions - can we kill Dandeer, and is it worth killing Dandeer? And does she have a Dead Man's Switch installed too, I guess. I mean, from an isolated moral/practical perspective I'm totally on-board, but Kakara certainly isn't going to see it that way, and I don't think we'd like the effect that has on her character. I think it would make the quest a lot less fun, too, so I suppose I'm not really in favour, satisfying as it would be in some ways.
We'd also be abusing meta-knowledge, given that we would never have even considered voting to kill Dandeer had we not already failed.
We'd also be abusing meta-knowledge, given that we would never have even considered voting to kill Dandeer had we not already failed.
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Sneaky. If future Kakara thinks Dandeer is an idiot, future Kakara is herself being an idiot.
[X] Me!
If only because I want to see why, mechanically, it notionally wouldn't have worked. Because it would teach me something about the system. I mean, I have a rough idea of how actual fighting works- opposed Dueling or Crowd/Team Fighting checks, with the loser getting hurt by a varying amount dependent on the degree of the winner's success. But I'm not clear on how disengaging from a fight works.
Even just seeing the rolls that would have played out if we'd tried a reasonable "escape and evade" plan would be interesting.
We're still holding Dandeer the entire time, right? Dropping her off at Senzu Hall would be a mistake because Yammar apparently (?) knows where it is and can just go there, retrieve Dandeer, and then we're really at a disadvantage.
Better yet:
Send out a call for our people to help stop Dandeer's insurrection by going Spirit Saiyan. Since that's something they can actually do meaningfully.
@PoptartProdigy , I seem to recall that you did confirm that (assuming for the sake of argument we can disengage via IT at all) we could get to the other side of the sun and charge Spirit Saiyan from there. Is that right?
[Note, I am only asking about this insofar as it's knowledge Kakara already has. Such information, if it should influence the vote, would be a good thing on general principles.]
Oooh that is comparably interesting.
[X] In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Goku, during his showdown with Freeza.
Not sure about your third sentence, but I've been in full agreement on your second sentence for some time.
I mean, and your first and all.
If we don't somehow redo the fight and manage to win, I'm not at all sure we CAN kill Dandeer. She seems to have waited a while before allowing (?) us to regain consciousness, and mobilized enough muscle on her own side that we probably don't have a good chance of success.
To be fair, "kill Dandeer" is a possibility that Future Kakara might have missed, because she's Kakara, so we can't just assume Future Kakara considered it and rejected it for not being likely to work.
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Yes, we keep her. The whole point is to drag Yammar away from the wounded.
In fact, him knowing where it is is part of the bluff. We hope he thinks that, in our rush, we forgot that he knows where it is.
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[X] Not me.
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- Italy
While that would be nice, why not Berra vs Vegeta instead? It would also deepen their back story and relationship a bit.
Uh. First time I forget it.
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- Actually pretty lost
[X] In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Goku, during his showdown with Freeza.
This sounds like fun!
I don't particularly want to fight Yammar again because it would feel a bit like cheating if we did somehow come up with a winning plan - it'd be so off-the-wall for Poptart not to have already tried it we'd never have chosen it the first time around. I don't particularly not want to either though, because we'll almost certainly fail.
This sounds like fun!
I don't particularly want to fight Yammar again because it would feel a bit like cheating if we did somehow come up with a winning plan - it'd be so off-the-wall for Poptart not to have already tried it we'd never have chosen it the first time around. I don't particularly not want to either though, because we'll almost certainly fail.
It would give away plot-relevant information though. Goku vs Freeza is completely disconnected from us. Though I suppose if it's a vision, it might tell us something about how Goku fought? And it would let us recognise a Freeza stylist more quickly?
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I do get some mileage out of unreliable narrators.
And playing with people's expectations for unreliable narrators. And generally being a twisty fucker. Well, bear in mind that I stated that regarding the vote leading into the latest update, but in principle you have the range, yeah. Again, not terribly much precision, but you don't need precision on these scales.
Write-ins always welcome.
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[X] In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Goku, during his showdown with Freeza.
Conceptualist
Best Mega Sceptile
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[X] In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Goku, during his showdown with Freeza.
That sounds Awesome with a capital A! I want to do that now.
That sounds Awesome with a capital A! I want to do that now.
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- Italy
[X]In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Berra, during his showdown with Vegeta Vegeta the Lord Vegeta
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KnightDisciple
Love God. Do Right. Fear No Man.
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I can see the appeal in seeking equal combat with Vegeta Vegeta, Lord Vegeta of House Vegeta, Prince Vegeta of the Clan Vegeta.
WorthyAlchemist?
100% certifiably without-a-doubt mediocre
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- That place...yeah that one
[X] Not me.
I really just want get the story rolling again.
I really just want get the story rolling again.
HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
[X] Me!
[X] In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Goku, during his showdown with Freeza.
[X] In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Berra, during his showdown with Vegeta Vegeta the Lord Vegeta.
I think we can do this. Let's try it!
[X] In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Goku, during his showdown with Freeza.
[X] In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Berra, during his showdown with Vegeta Vegeta the Lord Vegeta.
I think we can do this. Let's try it!
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Good.
Going to the opposite side of the sun, even a super-saiyan will take a bit of time to catch up with us. Yammar might also need to be a bit more careful in attacking us, to prevent Dandeer from asphyxiating. I mean, we know he's willing to threaten to kill her himself*, but all OOC knowledge aside, he can't actually WANT to kill her when his main directive is "protect her."
Also the sun might possibly be the only thing in the Garenhuld system that a super-saiyan could conceivably hide behind to avoid the ki sense of another super-saiyan. I'm not saying that part would actually work, though.
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*(!?!? this maaay be why Future Kakara thinks Dandeer is an idiot, I mean honestly if I were a mind-controlling witch I would Seal the entire notion of "do anything that could kill me" as far out of Yammar's mind as possible.
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Issue: Kakara needs to take a moment of time between IT uses at her current skill level. Additionally, she has to calculate where to go.
HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
Sympathies. My biggest issue with the way things went is that Kakara looked like she should have been capable of smarter tactics, but didn't use them.
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- Mid-Atlantic
This is true. On the other hand, if we can get out from Yammar's immediate reach, we can random-walk fast enough that he probably won't be able to catch us unless he can teleport himself...
...Which is one of the bigger flaws in the whole teleport strategy.
@PoptartProdigy , does Kakara know whether Yammar has ever publicly used Instant Transmission? Has he ever publicly done anything that gave cause to think he doesn't know Instant Transmission? If so, how long ago?
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- They/Them
Public agreement is that he doesn't have it. He's never used it, even where it would be arguably valuable to do it. Then again, people hiding trump cards is a thing. On balance, he probably doesn't, but there's always a chance.
CaesriusPolybius
Worldgate Mechanic
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- United States. Ish.
[X] In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Goku, during his showdown with Freeza.
[X] Not me.
This is especially the case if that something is mind magic, and the person has some degree of self-loathing.
[X] Not me.
Being an absolute numbskull, or having all of the common sense of a corn chip, does not preclude being absolutely brilliant at something. See: Goku.
This is especially the case if that something is mind magic, and the person has some degree of self-loathing.
HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
I don't know if that's it, actually - I do think she's responsible for some ill-advised brain surgery on herself, but I don't know if that's because she doesn't like herself or because she thought she needed to be a Hard Woman Who Could Make Hard Decisions. (Practically every version of that phrase describes Bad People Making Bad Decisions, though...)
I also strongly suspect that she either figured out how to steal other Sorcerors' magic, or got magic knowledge from the future/the wider galaxy.
