Well, reason for my suppositions is that Aurora is a witch, and the big thing witches do with grief is wrap it around themselves and use it as bodies. Either that or wrap it around themselves as barriers. It could be she was only filtering off magic to feed on it since she was unquestionably drawing drawing out magic, but how she did it kinda mimics the way witches work normally.

Anyways: A list of things I'm considering adding to the vote in abeyance right now:

O&K
[] Once you're finished, talk with Oriko about whether she ever saw the results of herself changing in her visions, be it by seeing herself enchant or use other magical skills or an altered worldview. If not, perhaps her magic is limited because she can't see futures where she is different.

Aurora:
[] Channel magic into her continuously. Try talking to her with the emotion provided.

Science:
[] Try and figure out how to activate an enchanted chibi without griefhax. (try replicating the magic network that animates your own body)
I'm not sure about talking with Oriko about the future right now, and it might be getting to the time of the day to check on Kyouko and Yuma.

I'd like to check Aurora's Grief absorption, test whether she'll absorb normal magic as readily as happy-thoughts magic (if there's even a difference :p), and feed her more magic. Maybe we can even do that while flying.
 
Has anyone made a timeline for this quest yet, or a calender for what upcoming days have what events? I've only just caught up, and I'm wondering exactly how much time has passed in-story over the last 780k words.
 
A cabal of pigeons? I'm no imagining Japanese Goodfeathers. All Sayaka needs to do is train one of them to be a Godpigeon and she's set.
 
Who if anyone would think to apply magic to a clear seed except someone who has any inclination of knowing what they're doing? Truthfully Sabrina, is perhaps the only person who has ever thought of doing this.
It doesn't matter if it's unlikely, the people we gave the clear seed to are counting on it lasting for a long time yet. If there's a way to ruin the clear seeds we should warn them not to do it.

Plus warning them about this new problem should reassure them that we're still continuing our research into clear seeds and they will be dependable for a long time to come.
 
A thought:

Sabrina can't control her chibi body outside her range, but maybe that's because she's controlling it with her soulgem too? Shouldn't we try making a grief construct using enchanted grief and see if it keeps working outside our range?

EDIT: Also, I'm not even saying we should try it to see what happens, but given that our soulgem extends to our 4D space, is it even posible to put all of it there? like people were suggesting we should do to hide it form external attacks?
 
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A thought:

Sabrina can't control her chibi body outside her range, but maybe that's because she's controlling it with her soulgem too? Shouldn't we try making a grief construct using enchanted grief and see if it keeps working outside our range?
The Chibi we had poke her arm outside our range had that arm lose the witchiness, but remain enchanted and not dissipate, and was able to just put the arm back on by pulling the enchanted Grief back inside our range... probably because it was still attached, or something.

My guess is if we throw an Enchanted-Grief-Grief-Hax-object outside our range, it'll either become enchanted Grief and stay that way, or it will return to being Grief Hax once it enters our range again.
 
I don't want to talk to them about Walpurgisnacht until they're settled in, but I do want to check how they're settling in.
 
Perhaps keep Anti-magic on hand before we accidentally create a purely magic powered witch we have no control over?
...I just realised that we Wished for control over Grief as a "emotional substance", if that makes any sense, but we don't have control over any other "emotional material". This might end up biting us in the ass at some point.

Also, if we can imbue Witches with emotion charged magic, then what happens if we charge one with a sort of "Life it pain, and the important thing is living in a way that is worth the pain" type thing?

On a side note; if we're looking into charging souls with emotions, and Witches Familiars are life incomplete/fragmented/partial souls, then does that make Witches into Dark Souls Bosses?


Edit:
We really should talk to the Shiogama refugees soon about Walpurgisnacht. Maybe that should be our next stop after Oriko and Kirika?
We should make some zeppelins to house people in; you don't need to hide from Walpurgisnacht if we can fly faster then her.

Edit: Also, we should see if emotions from people that they/their human was connected to has more of a effect. We would probably need to find more people in order to get access to enough emotions to properly impact a Witch anyway, what with how much Grief they can carry.

Also, we should see if filled Witch Seeds can have different emotions pushed into them; it just needs to be more attracted to whatever force is pulling it in that directed per unit of amount then Grief, sort of like how buoyancy works, but in reverse.

Edit: Actually, we already know that there is something more attracted to a soul then Grief; Love; we should be looking into destilling the ancient greek types of love.
 
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We really should talk to the Shiogama refugees soon about Walpurgisnacht. Maybe that should be our next stop after Oriko and Kirika?
It's barely been a day since they've been here. Give them some time to get themselves situated. Business should be fine tomorrow.

It doesn't matter if it's unlikely, the people we gave the clear seed to are counting on it lasting for a long time yet. If there's a way to ruin the clear seeds we should warn them not to do it.

Plus warning them about this new problem should reassure them that we're still continuing our research into clear seeds and they will be dependable for a long time to come.
You would think that a little common sense such as 'don't do weird things to clear seeds' would apply.

I'm still scratching my head as to why you believe anyone would attempt to infuse magic into clear seeds casually.
 
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Also, we don't know if any Clear Seed (or really, any Seed) will take magic/hope/happiness.

We have only tested feeding Aurora (special case Clear Seed) 'happy thoughts' magic.

We haven't tested:

- Feeding Aurora 'normal' magic.
- Feeding Hildegarde (normal Clear Seed) 'normal' magic.
- Feeding Hildegarde (normal Clear Seed) 'happy thoughts' magic.
- Feeding Elsa Maria (presumably a normal Seed) 'normal' magic.
- Feeding Elsa Maria (presumably a normal Seed) 'happy thoughts' magic.

It's possible only Aurora absorbs magic (and we don't actually know whether 'happy thoughts' magic is different from 'normal' magic) because of her speshulness.
 
Also, making an ethical grief seed substitute just jumped up the priority list.
Yup. Had that as a research topic in vote. Let's get serious?

Huh. The Clear Seed seems to like our happy thoughts. I think we should keep feeding it and see what happens - though probably not right now.
I think we should commit Aurora to a magic-only diet. It could make her more and more easy to communicate with.

Hm. Channeling magic takes time, so we can't just feed Aurora all the magic to see what happens.

It takes a coven to raise a witch. Seriously, this type of experiment is our first group de-witching effort.

If Rionna is tractable, we need all her info. The pathway is close.
 
Given laws of conservation of energy and such, I wonder if turning a Seed back into a Soul Gem would require filling it with magic equivalent to the Grief which had been removed, which is to say, enough magic that we generate a full Seed's worth of Grief.
 
A thought occurs to you as you soar over Mitakihara. If this 4-space you've... discovered... is a proto-Barrier, then what the hell was the actual Barrier you created with Grief? Especially the one where you found a Feather after dismissing it? Would it be the actualization of this 4-space? Some intersection of it with the conventional three dimensions of everyday life?
Is it, really? Because as I understand, Witches' Barriers are made of Grief, making "the actual Barrier you created with Grief" more like a Witch's Barrier.







And a correction:

You hold Aurora up to your eye level. You can sense the speck of Grief within, the core of theWitch. There's Grief in there, more than the infinitesimally slow trickle of Grief dripping from the core. Of course, Aurora had been in use by Oriko and Kirika before you traded her for another Clear Seed.
the Witch
 
We usually don't just dehax our hax, we dissolve the structure. The enchantment is tied to structure, as indicated by the kneading, so dissolving it would naturally break it.
The thing is, with this assumption it means that the issue is irrelevant. All you would need to do then is to "wash" off the grief hax by pushing it outside our range for a bit, and we'll get enchanted grief back. It could be that the enchantment ran out of magic, or through other means.

aka we need more experimental data than just these 2 points, and other variables. More magic poured into enchantment, size, the time it would normally take via Trance, vs radius washing.
 
[X] SCIENCE!, before reaching the Kures if possible:

-[X] Aurora:
--[X] Try using her to cleanse your Gem.
--[X] Feed her 'normal' magic.
-[X] Hildegarde, then Elsa Maria.
--[X] Repeat magic feeding tests with them.

[X] The Kures:
-[X] Discuss House Arrest.
--[X] Apologize for the sudden birb invasion.
--[X] Explain yesterday's talk.
--[X] Offer your thoughts. Progress is gonna be slow, and if they agree to the changes, that would help.
--[X] Ask what they think.
---[X] Ask if they want to move out into a new apartment.
-[X] Ask Oriko if she knows about the Shirome potentials.

[X] Afterwards:
-[X] Use enchanted grief to try to make a device for analyzing and/or talking to grief seeds.

Still not sure about what we're doing after talking with the Kures. Maybe we should check on Kyouko. She's not gonna call us if her Gem turns black.
 
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We could go big Sasa Yuki again. What was our plan there? Or we could try making contact with the Shirome potentials. Or go scan the other schools, I think there's two we haven't looked at yet.
 
Possibly try putting this one first? We don't want to find out that we've broken something after we've broken all three of our test cases.
How does this read?
[X] SCIENCE!, before reaching the Kures if possible:

-[X] Aurora:
--[X] Try using her to cleanse your Gem.
--[X] Feed her 'normal' magic.
-[X] Hildegarde, then Elsa Maria.
--[X] Repeat magic feeding tests with them.

We could go big Sasa Yuki again. What was our plan there? Or we could try making contact with the Shirome potentials. Or go scan the other schools, I think there's two we haven't looked at yet.
Our Great Plan Involving Sasa Yuuki, First Of Her Name, consists on inviting her to ice cream. :V

... We're probably better off saying 'the world sucks' and trying to have a brood off... we'd probably lose rather badly. :V
 
[X] SCIENCE!, before reaching the Kures if possible:

-[X] Aurora:
--[X] Try using her to cleanse your Gem.
--[X] Feed her 'normal' magic.
-[X] Hildegarde, then Elsa Maria.
--[X] Repeat magic feeding tests with them.

Seems good to me.

[x] Onmur

Edit: Though it looks like you may have some edit-duplication going on in your post at present?

-[X] Aurora:
--[X] Try using her to cleanse your Gem.
--[X] Feed her 'normal' magic.
-[X] Hildegarde, then Elsa Maria.
--[X] Repeat magic feeding tests with them.

-[X] Try cleansing your Soul Gem with Aurora.
-[X] Try feeding 'happy thoughts' magic to Hildegarde and Elsa Maria.
-[X] Try feeding 'normal' magic to all three Seeds.
 
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