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Shadowhisker said:
...You okay, dude?
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I'll-. Yeah. I'm fine. Just. Bluh, that prolly sounded less okay than it was. Just, parta me wants to erase all that, but I'm also kinda excessively attached to records for posterity, and it is my thoughts, in this instant, and will color anything else I say today. Don't wanna dump extra not-hopeful into a thread into protag's brain, and all.

I'm just. Well, as I'm phrasing it. A bit burned out on hope for the moment.

Had about two and a half hours of failing the conversation we're trying to vote on here, point for point. All my hope's gone into that we can fix our problems there, and save all my people. Can't bring myself to believe this vote will work, when I've just seen it fail, even though the me of yesterday believed, and the me of tomorrow will no doubt believe again.
 
mCooperative said:
I'll-. Yeah. I'm fine. Just. Bluh, that prolly sounded less okay than it was. Just, parta me wants to erase all that, but I'm also kinda excessively attached to records for posterity, and it is my thoughts, in this instant, and will color anything else I say today. Don't wanna dump extra not-hopeful into a thread into protag's brain, and all.

I'm just. Well, as I'm phrasing it. A bit burned out on hope for the moment.

Had about two and a half hours of failing the conversation we're trying to vote on here, point for point. All my hope's gone into that we can fix our problems there, and save all my people. Can't bring myself to believe this vote will work, when I've just seen it fail, even though the me of yesterday believed, and the me of tomorrow will no doubt believe again.
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Hmm.

Thing's will get better. Hope you solve your problems.
 
Mmmhm. Had another idea. Still couldn't sift through everything. You people write a lot.
I'm catching up, though.

This thing right now is heavy as fuck and I honestly don't know if it's true.

Buuuut
What if Homu hates herself so much she unconsciously sabotages her own efforts to save Madoka? Kinda like what happened in the Rebellion, only there she saved her in such a way that she became Madoka's enemy, and here she just victimizes herself and uses loops as a tool of self-punishment?
I...
I mean, it is Urobuchi's work, after all.
 
Huh, didn't think about that
[Q] Ask Firn whether he is Urobuchi in disguise who writes a Fix Fic for his own work.
-[Q] Get stared at like you're a moron. Which, undoubtedly, you are.

I regret nothing. :V
 
... in all fairness, my expanded universe of my own writing is filled with alternative neighboring universes and timelines, and, in fact, literal fix-it fics. If I was published, I'd so do that, just because it's a tiny bit hilarious.

... the books would be red truth, the fandom would be blue truths, and my fix-it fics would be gold truths.

Clearly.
 
mCooperative said:
... in all fairness, my expanded universe of my own writing is filled with alternative neighboring universes and timelines, and, in fact, literal fix-it fics. If I was published, I'd so do that, just because it's a tiny bit hilarious.

... the books would be red truth, the fandom would be blue truths, and my fix-it fics would be gold truths.

Clearly.
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I don't see any threads by you here. Where do you write?
 
Torgamous said:
I don't see any threads by you here. Where do you write?
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Ah- I'm new to SV, and I don't really have much up on AO3, though there's at least a bit. Most of my expansive universes tie too far into a decade- actually, 12 year, 12 year spanning project, that I haven't sufficiently removed past-me's overshare from yet.

That said, I was considering a few ideas to get feedback on here, as their present form and level of... exist... are more conducive to SV thread feedback and discussion than AO3.

... I got a really great non-crackfic idea about Magical Girl Voldemort. Numerous people approved! (And somewhere between horrified and impressed!) }=o)

Edit: More reasonably, a sort of Arthurian thing that cheerfully takes bits and pieces from every rendition of the myths I can find. Most heavily Fate, lately, but remixed the heck of.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by DB_Explorer on Apr 16, 2018 at 5:36 PM, finished with 142 posts and 11 votes.
  • [x] Main goals, in no particular order:
    -[x] Encourage Homura to believe in her own value, and in a good future.
    -[x] Prevent her from feeling that her wish isn't being fulfilled because she isn't the one saving Madoka.
    -[x] Explain, as best and clearly as possible, everything Homura indicates she wants or needs to know.
    -[x] Encourage Homura to say what she's feeling, and listen to what she says... and doesn't say.
    [x] Overall tone and subtext:
    -[x] Optimistic and certain this loop will succeed.
    -[x] Comforting and encouraging.
    --[x] Don't make Homura feel like our sidekick. Make her feel like she's the hero and we're her sidekick.
    -[x] Don't steamroll over Homura with speeches, let her express herself.
    [x] Reaffirm that Homura can do this and deserves a happy ending.
    -[x] She's spent more than a decade putting herself through a Sisyphean purgatory to save someone she loves. If anyone deserves a happy ending, it's her.
    -[x] Homura is our friend, the closest thing we have to family, and we care about her. We want her to be happy.
    --[x] Not just Sabrina, but everyone. Mami, Sayaka, Hitomi and most of all Madoka. Even if they don't know what she's been through, they all care about her and want her to be happy.
    ---[x] As crazy as it sounds, even Oriko is rooting for her to win, because Homura winning means that the world is saved.
    -[x] Even after Walpurgisnacht is beaten, we're never going to give up on Homura. We'll do everything we can to help her be happy.
    [x] Homura will save Madoka, and all of us will do everything we can to help her.
    -[x] Meanwhile, Sabrina is going to save everyone, and wouldn't mind having Homura's help.
    -[x] If Homura is feeling that she is not fulfilling her wish, that she is useless because she is not able to be the one protecting Madoka or other feelings of inadequacy, then remind her of how much good she's done.
    --[x] Remind her: Without her, it all would have been over in the first timeline. It's only because of her that we got this far.
    ---[x] She's been the one keeping Madoka safe this whole time.
    ---[x] Holding down the fort while Sabrina rushes off to deal with out-of-town crises
    ---[x] Timestop as an epic force multiplier, or letting us get there in the nick of time.
    ---[x] Tracking down Oriko
    ---[x] Saving Sayaka from the witch.
    ---[x] Watching over Sayaka when she stormed off and ran straight into Kyouko.
    ---[x] Giving us the knowledge needed to make the right choices, both from metaknowledge and just her advice.
    ---[x] Even just giving us this safe space to talk without Kyubey listening.
    ---[x] The only reason any of this is possible is because of Homura's strength, because Homura fought and persevered all alone for years to carve out a chance at victory.
    --[x] Make sure that Homura knows that she is incredible and the hero of this story, that she is the one who will save Madoka, and that Sabrina is just here to help her.
    [X] "Okay, let me back up. I didn't properly address your concerns before, so I'll do that first."
    [X] "Firstly, I have a huge bargaining chip that you never had: free, unlimited cleansing, as well as a massively powerful ally. That sways people, and convinces them that you're worth fighting for in a way that no amount of Grief Seeds ever would."
    [X] "You never really had an opportunity to learn charisma and persuasion skills. And while you've had a lot of time to learn since your Wish, you've also been constantly subjected to immense emotional trauma, with no one who could help you deal with it. That makes charisma and persuasion far more difficult. You've been fighting against a massive handicap all along, with no one to help you and no way to figure out what to do about it. I'd say you've done remarkably well, under the circumstances."
    [X] "You know hard it is to start all over and try again, after losing everything. Most people struggle to do that kind of thing once. You've done it dozens of times, without anyone to even talk to, ever since you were--what? 13? The fact that you haven't given up is, by itself, utterly remarkable. Don't sell yourself short. Everyone needs a helping hand, myself included. I'd never have gotten this far without you, for instance. Sayaka would be dead. Oriko would be at large. Kyubey would probably know everything. And more."
    [X] "You're fucking amazing, Homura, and we've only gotten this far because we've done it together. Also, remember how I came about because of Madoka's Wish? Well, the only reason she ever had a chance to even make that Wish is because of all of your efforts."
    [X] Continuous cleanse
    [X] Of course she deserves happiness. That's what we think, that's what the others would think, that's what Madoka would think.
    -[X] Await response, then break.
    -[X] Break to voting if any point needs more detail, or if Homura seems troubled. Don't be pushy.
    -[X] Relax. Comment:
    --[X] Homura's hair and higher dimensions.
    --[X] Raiding Yakuza for (4D) pocket money.
    [X] O&K.
    -[X] Probably a 'random' apartment.
    -[X] You don't know the Kure adults. Could be a bad idea.
    [X] Everyone.
    -[X] Explain your discomfort when dropping heavy topics. Ask if there's anything you can do to make it less stressful?
    -[X] Offer to watch the spar video.
    [X] Put in an order for the tracking devices.
    [X] If there's time, practice enchantment:
    -[X] Try using Control Magic...
    --[X] On Grief.
    --[X] To shape something into a Pocket Brina.
    [X] How can we explain this to the strongest girl in the world?
    [X] Try not to trigger her, must understand her pain right now, before sharing answers.
    -[X] Ask to do pain conversation first
    -[X] We ask questions to get her feelings visible, in a less challenging way.
    -[X] Have a very soft, ask-and-answer talk with Homura. Repeat her statements if they are sentence fragments, help her to express. Do not complete for her, unless she motions for that. Kinda let her drive. If she stalls, only move forward a bit, then repeat the cycle. Stay as long as it takes.
    -[X] If her pain is not covered in the topics of the vote, break to vote.
    [X] Caution her regarding Homura's PTSD, teach her those facts. If she denies, break to vote.
    [X] Promise, and give honest answers.
    -[X] Slowly, and with context conversation, so she doesn't use the facts to hurt herself.
    -[X] Have her generate context examples, be careful not to lecture at this point. Understanding is what we want to see in her.
    -[X] Very small steps
    [X] When a trouble spot is sensed, break for vote.
    [x]Really? For being as much a cause of this fledgling shadow governments accomplishments as me, for enduring the much undeserved ravages of fate, I think you deserve no less. The only reason I had the gold to fund Sayaka's tutoring, host refugees in the first place was you. The reason I can perform operations outside Mitakihara without worrying about a sudden apocalypse? You. The reason I was able to get any use out of Oriko and Kirika in the first place instead of still fighting them or being forced to kill them? You. My time is finite. I cannot be everywhere at once. You make that significantly less of a problem.
    [X] Standing: Try to lead Homura with questions where possible.
    [X] Tone: empathetic; care to not drive Homu to close herself off.
    [X] Why does she think that?
    -[X] You firmly believe she deserves to be happy. Your friends would agree, Madoka would agree.
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Oh- is that what that means? I had always been confused, never made the connection. Huh.
 
[X] Continuous cleanse
[X] Of course she deserves happiness. That's what we think, that's what the others would think, that's what Madoka would think.
-[X] Await response, then break.

Oh random note: I've actually watches the series at this point (Mind you it was like six months ago) and I had a thought. Madoka making a different wish must exceedingly rare - since IIRC did something 'new' at the end of the 'last' loop we see in the series since it ended Homura's looping. Meaning that all the other loops had to end with Madoka making basically the same wish. Then you have the end of the loop before PMAS.

We can't really ask Homura about such things but its a thought.

Also since I cast a vote I have to ask for some thought on my gut reaction to provide an immediate rejection of Homura's 'I don't deserve this' line of thought. Since in such a situation in real life I'd likely do that then see how they react (briefly) before explaining myself. It's an immediate damage control measure - though one likely developed from my experience talking to friends that are dealing with a bad day/week rather then a girl dealing with a bad.... everything. Not that it might be wrong just that such a reaction is small step in a larger action in this case.

Also day after WPN Homura gets a vacation - we'll bring Madoka along if we have to!
 
DB_Explorer said:
Madoka making a different wish must exceedingly rare - since IIRC did something 'new' at the end of the 'last' loop we see in the series since it ended Homura's looping. Meaning that all the other loops had to end with Madoka making basically the same wish. Then you have the end of the loop before PMAS.
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On the contrary, I expect it to have been standard. The abnormalities among the loops are most likely the fallout of previous wishes.

DB_Explorer said:
Also since I cast a vote I have to ask for some thought on my gut reaction to provide an immediate rejection of Homura's 'I don't deserve this' line of thought. Since in such a situation in real life I'd likely do that then see how they react (briefly) before explaining myself. It's an immediate damage control measure - though one likely developed from my experience talking to friends that are dealing with a bad day/week rather then a girl dealing with a bad.... everything. Not that it might be wrong just that such a reaction is small step in a larger action in this case.
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DB_Explorer said:
[X] Of course she deserves happiness
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That's what that is.
 
Kaizuki said:
On the contrary, I expect it to have been standard. The abnormalities among the loops are most likely the fallout of previous wishes.
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Huh I was thinking along the lines that Madoka's potential made any significant change to her wish would result in significant changes to the next loop.

D: What if Oriko was made by a previous Madoka's wish!? ... no wait lets not even suggest that to Homura bad idea.
 
DB_Explorer said:
Huh I was thinking along the lines that Madoka's potential made any significant change to her wish would result in significant changes to the next loop.
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Impacts would be muted depending on how aware of things Madoka was or just what the wish was. She was never very good at coming up with something she wanted to wish for, and being unaware of the loops meant she couldn't say -- or think -- "I wish next loop would go better!"

It's also highly plausible that there was a point where she made a wish like "I wish Homura hadn't died", etc.
 
Kaizuki said:
It's also highly plausible that there was a point where she made a wish like "I wish Homura hadn't died", etc.
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Homucifer: What do you mean *I* died?!

Madokami: Dead, gone, pushing up daisys - The witch managed to cut you in half.

Homucifer: and you wished to bring me back, why?

Madokami: Because it was you.
 
We really do need more good fanfics where Homucifer and Madokami have just all up and managed to come to an equilibrium, proper-wise, and respect the things they hold up* the universe for, and now it's mostly an afterlife special where they do interesting things or do the whole "yes I am totally a human I am neither god nor the devil what nonsense is this suggestion I am clearly human and those are not feathers" life, in between just... coming to peace, and exploring the new world they've compromised themselves into. Minimal interpersonal conflict angst, more learning to live in the world again, and maybe the hijinks "Disguised, God And The Devil Walk Into A Bar Their Middle School" could cause. I've seen a few, but... not many. I think I've been given links to more NC-17 doujins with that premise, even, than I've found when I went through like all of AO3 and ff.net as of December.

I have one sorta idea for writing one, actually. Meh. When I have the time.


*double meaning intended
 
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