About responding to her.
How about politely nodding and saying "Miss Airi" in acknowledgement?
Then explaining to her her that we have arranged for her accommodations with Miss Yuki here, so she shall remain a prisoner in Fukushima, ( further away from Asunaro ) while she is cooling down, oh, and ignoring insults if she cares to throw any at us? Saying that her treatment will be humane?
Or something to the effect. Votecrafting gah.
 
Wait, really?

Interesting...looks like this is a cultural difference. I mean, a slap on the shoulder or something, sure, but a slap to the face, outside of very particular situations (such as breakups, for example)?

That's a grave insult, to me. I mean, it's kind of the last border of civility. You're forsaking words for violence--that implies that you are no longer worth talking to. It's not quite cutting ties, but it's pushing it.

Admittedly, I'm extraordinarily old fashioned, when it comes to manners. Maybe such things are less important than I thought, nowadays?
I think we can call cultural differences. In my personal experience, the adults I've seen (that I've interacted with, there's all sorts) tend to impose less restrictions on their kids, and be more comprehensive. So at least, on the 'old fashioned' thing, I can give my opinion that things have changed. In some places.

Each group of friends has their own way they relate to each other. What one can see as a breach of civility, someone else might not even blink at.

I've seen kids who almost never hit each other, and kids who are constantly hitting, slaping, punching each other (and laughing. And trying to separate them is nigh impossible.) As an adult, I can look and feel maybe those kids need to play fight with each other in order to discover and rediscover their own strenght, their own bodies.

Now... as far as 'particular situations' go, IIRC, we had just (accidentally) implied that we had unilaterally, as judge, jury and executioner, hunted down Oriko and maimed her for the crime of setting fire to Sayaka's house. Like, Oriko burned Sayaka's house down, we broke her arm and neck. Implications. Implications that, I think, would seem like a horribly miscarriage of justice, and a horrible abuse of power to Hitomi.

To be completely fair, while we're friends with Hitomi, we haven't been friends for long, we haven't had lots of moments where we set rules as to how we interact we each other. This was such a moment, I think, but... not in a "we believe it's OK/not OK for friends to slap each other in X situations" way, so much as a "slapping is not OK... because we're meguca and that triggers our supernatural fighting instincts so it's supernaturally dangerous".

Sort of an external imposition. Sabrina's and Mami's instinctual reactions were way out of line.

Hitomi trying to slap us almost caused us (or Mami) to hurt Hitomi really really badly, but that was because magic. Same as Sayaka breaking Table-chan.

EDIT: Somewhat ninja'd?
 
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Interesting you should say that. :p
Yep! :D I had that in mind when I made that post, in fact. I still feel a bit angry, recalling it. I have a temper, and went it flares, it immolates.

I don't think being angry was unreasonable, but lashing out in anger, rather than calmly dealing with the problem, is rarely (if ever) the right thing to do.
 
Totally unrelated to the current discussion, both of them, but I was rereading PMAS, and then a thought struck me. I apologize in advance if it's been discussed and confirmed or jossed.

Threatening to Witchify Kirika terrified the living shit out of Oriko. Why?
Because she's seen a future where it happened to them.

She might be the only pre-Madokami Magical Girl who has memories of being a Witch. Being. A Witch.

Fuck you, precognizance.
 
Totally unrelated to the current discussion, both of them, but I was rereading PMAS, and then a thought struck me. I apologize in advance if it's been discussed and confirmed or jossed.

Threatening to Witchify Kirika terrified the living shit out of Oriko. Why?
Because she's seen a future where it happened to them.

She might be the only pre-Madokami Magical Girl who has memories of being a Witch. Being. A Witch.

Fuck you, precognizance.

You get a hug.
 
"Your style is entirely too different from mine to give any specific advice," Yuki says simply. "I would advice you to hedge, to mislead and negotiate hardball, to conceal your greatest strengths, but you are simply so open that the only real recourse for you is to be honest and allow that to speak for you. It's not an approach that will work with everyone, and it's not the approach that would work for most of the people on this planet, but you seem to be doing something right."

Sabrina: Your just saying that because I can afford to be unilateral.
Yuki: Perhaps, but you can't deny there is some value in making your position open from the start. And as you said, you can afford the loss of political avenues such a choice removes.

I mean, taking AI class this semester leaves me wondering what would happen if we tried to train an AI to be Sabrina by teaching it with the contents of this thread.

AI: Directive set - HUG ALL THINGS

Totally unrelated to the current discussion, both of them, but I was rereading PMAS, and then a thought struck me. I apologize in advance if it's been discussed and confirmed or jossed.

Threatening to Witchify Kirika terrified the living shit out of Oriko. Why?
Because she's seen a future where it happened to them.

She might be the only pre-Madokami Magical Girl who has memories of being a Witch. Being. A Witch.

Fuck you, precognizance.

Sabrina: [Walking along] ........ .......0. 0................ [goes to hug Oriko]
 
And now we have come full circle, from traveling back through time to examine the one-year-ago past, to debates of social mores and might-have-could-haves, now back around to hugs for ALL MEGUCA!
 
She sees the Soul Gem in the palm of your hand, and her eyes dart up to the bilious cloud hanging above you. "Oh, no. No. No, no, no."

"Yes." Grim finality. "I will do it, Oriko. I don't want to. I really, really don't want to. Give me a reason not to."

"I... OK. Just... please, don't," Oriko says, breathing hard and fast. She's trembling, full body quivers. "Do you know how muc- yes, of course you do. P-please."
yes, of course you do.
 
Random though.

What if a Potential Wished there was no April 30th and May 1st just for one year.

So that year, let's say, 2011, everyone would go from April 28th to May 2nd.

Skipping Walpurgisnacht.

:V
 
I think we can call cultural differences. In my personal experience, the adults I've seen (that I've interacted with, there's all sorts) tend to impose less restrictions on their kids, and be more comprehensive. So at least, on the 'old fashioned' thing, I can give my opinion that things have changed. In some places.

Each group of friends has their own way they relate to each other. What one can see as a breach of civility, someone else might not even blink at.

I've seen kids who almost never hit each other, and kids who are constantly hitting, slaping, punching each other (and laughing. And trying to separate them is nigh impossible.) As an adult, I can look and feel maybe those kids need to play fight with each other in order to discover and rediscover their own strenght, their own bodies.

Now... as far as 'particular situations' go, IIRC, we had just (accidentally) implied that we had unilaterally, as judge, jury and executioner, hunted down Oriko and maimed her for the crime of setting fire to Sayaka's house. Like, Oriko burned Sayaka's house down, we broke her arm and neck. Implications. Implications that, I think, would seem like a horribly miscarriage of justice, and a horrible abuse of power to Hitomi.

To be completely fair, while we're friends with Hitomi, we haven't been friends for long, we haven't had lots of moments where we set rules as to how we interact we each other. This was such a moment, I think, but... not in a "we believe it's OK/not OK for friends to slap each other in X situations" way, so much as a "slapping is not OK... because we're meguca and that triggers our supernatural fighting instincts so it's supernaturally dangerous".

Sort of an external imposition. Sabrina's and Mami's instinctual reactions were way out of line.

Hitomi trying to slap us almost caused us (or Mami) to hurt Hitomi really really badly, but that was because magic. Same as Sayaka breaking Table-chan.

EDIT: Somewhat ninja'd?
Yeah, it would have been better for everyone if we'd known her better, and had warned her about possible extreme dangers.

That said? That's not what I mean by "particular situations." There are situations where you expect to get smacked, where it's the same as saying "you hurt me," rather than "go die in a hole." Her being pissed is reasonable, but it's not one of those kinds of situations I was referring to.

It's all in the past, regardless.

She sees the Soul Gem in the palm of your hand, and her eyes dart up to the bilious cloud hanging above you. "Oh, no. No. No, no, no."

"Yes." Grim finality. "I will do it, Oriko. I don't want to. I really, really don't want to. Give me a reason not to."

"I... OK. Just... please, don't," Oriko says, breathing hard and fast. She's trembling, full body quivers. "Do you know how muc- yes, of course you do. P-please."
Reading this again...we might want to keep it in mind when dealing with Oriko from here on. I mean, I recalled this, but...seeing it fresh...

Oriko's probably still scared of us.

To her, we're like...

Imagine a monarch who threatened to execute you at one point, who literally held the sword at your throat, but decided at the last moment to show mercy. They like you now, and you work for them, and they're clearly a good person...but you still know they can and will end you for the sake of their kingdom, if it comes to it. When they stop by your room to check on you, you're always wondering if they're checking on you or checking on you, and either way you want them to be certain that you're happy and loyal, and they definitely don't need to do anything drastic.

She's probably acting friendly because she wants to avoid our ire, as much as anything. Which is...honestly fine, but we should consider...

Err, wait. Right. Okay, I was going to suggest spying on her, to see if she's actually loyal, or just putting on a nice face while she plots our downfall, then I remembered we don't do that kind of thing. Right. Actually a nice Meguca, not a monarch protecting his people from traitors. Sure.

We try to trust people.
 
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Yeah, it would have been better for everyone if we'd known her better, and had warned her about possible extreme dangers.

That said? That's not what I mean by "particular situations." There are situations where you expect to get smacked, where it's the same as saying "you hurt me," rather than "go die in a hole." Her being pissed is reasonable, but it's not one of those kinds of situations I was referring to.

It's all in the past, regardless.

Reading this again...we might want to keep it in mind when dealing with Oriko from here on. I mean, I recalled this, but...seeing it fresh...

Oriko's probably still scared of us.

To her, we're like...

Imagine a monarch who threatened to execute you at one point, who literally held the sword at your throat, but decided at the last moment to show mercy. They like you now, and you work for them, and they're clearly a good person...but you still know they can and will end you for the sake of their kingdom, if it comes to it. When they stop by your room to check on you, you're always wondering if they're checking on you or checking on you, and either way you want them to be certain that you're happy and loyal, and they definitely don't need to do anything drastic.

She's probably acting friendly because she wants to avoid our ire, as much as anything. Which is...honestly fine, but we should consider...

Err, wait. Right. Okay, I was going to suggest spying on her, to see if she's actually loyal, or just putting on a nice face while she plots our downfall, then I remembered we don't do that kind of thing. Right. Actually a nice Meguca, not a monarch protecting his people from traitors. Sure.

We try to trust people.
Oriko knows Sabrina really is nice, not just an act. She's seen possible futures, and that includes things we have just barely chosen to not do, or things we could have chosen in different situations.

On the flip side, she knows Sabrina will do whatever she feels necessary to do. Like killing Oriko if she tries to pull her Hard Woman Making Hard Murderous Decisions shit. She's Seen it.

I wonder if she's Seen us attempt to, and manage to, give her hugs.

... We still need to give Oriko a proper hug.

Anyway, Oriko knows. She probably knows we wouldn't have actually witched Kirika, just that the possibility was too horrifying, no matter how low the odds. Hmm... Panic, always the best option.
 
Anyway, Oriko knows. She probably knows we wouldn't have actually witched Kirika, just that the possibility was too horrifying, no matter how low the odds. Hmm... Panic, always the best option.
I...don't know if that's how it works. Even if we were bluffing, we could have voted to follow through. We didn't, but...I don't know if our will was strong enough in that matter to completely eliminate the possibility from the future. Especially considering we don't know what actions could potentially have taken that could have made us go further than we did. Precog...it makes trust pretty impossible, doesn't it? Unless someone's literally given their will up for you, like Kirika did.

At least Oriko has one person in the world she never has to see betraying her.
 
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Since we're at this point...

You never had to go this far.

Death, of herself or Kirika, holds zero fear for Oriko.

Witching? Terrifies the everliving fuck out of her.

Why, I'm not telling yet.

The fact that threatening to kill her didn't work after the first four or five times... And her single real slip was to the idea of Kirika Witching...

Actually, it could be a different thing entirely, considering Firn made it a plot point, and Firn never does anything for no reason.

It's just, as to my knowledge, this question hasn't been conclusively answered by anyone, at least not immediately after that update.

So my answer can be a placeholder one? Until/unless we find out more.
 
[x] Yes, that's right Airi, it's indeed me
-[x] I know that really you'd rather be free
-[x] But your behaviour remorse doesn't indicate
-[x] When it comes to plots you're totally implicate
-[x] I made a deal, got you some plush confinement
-[x] Let me know if you're gonna switch alignment
-[x] Till then just please sit tight in Fukushima
-[x] Brainstorm yourself a less awful schema
-[x] Hold your questions to the end I'm not done yet
-[x] I'll keep up my promise for Yuuri don't you fret
-[x] Clear or Salted, really up to you to decide
-[x] Pick how you want her Seed it'll be supplied
-[x] And while I'd appreciate your cooperation
-[x] This is gonna be a slow and careful operation
-[x] You can pout and call me arrogant
-[x] But your behaviour's pretty unintelligent
-[x] So, wanna be free?
-[x] Don't test me.

150 words, as God Firnagzen intended.
 
The number of walking landmarks steadily increases. :V

Oh, and further down in the Wikipedia article, Yamuna is derived from Sanskrit "Yama", which means "twin".

one day we will meet a girl that is an actual landmark.

Girl: and this is my friend, Helen
Sabrina: like the volcano *points behind her* (yes somehow Sabrina is in America)
Girl: .... umm.... *fidgets* yeah
Helen: Her wish personified a volcano *shrugs* I was surprised as her
Sayaka: ... Oh can I please copy your powers?
Helen: ... their a little explosive.

(edit: what would that wish have been??)
 
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